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Post by FB fan on Aug 11, 2013 12:42:36 GMT -6
Hello everyone new to board im an east an west fan I have nephews playing for both schools went to east intra-squad scrimmage last night offense looks really good very fast looks like coach is opening up playbook new formations still a spread offense now on the defensive side of ball new defensive coordinator new scheme defense is definitely faster lots of young talent with speed needs to work on tackling overall impressed big improvement all around Welcome to the forum. Glad to have your input on the Vic teams.
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Post by cochino on Aug 11, 2013 13:32:23 GMT -6
Nonsense, nonsense, and more nonsense. I still don't get all the Gonzales bashing. Umm yes he did have a stud QB when he was at Ray. But why is that a mark against him? It's stupid. Are you gonna say that Andrus had a stud QB at Flour Bluff last season so the success doesn't count for Andrus either? All of Calallen's success comes when they have stud QBs, so does that not count either? I'm not gonna name every stud player that every successful team has, but I think you get the point. Yes Gonzales had a stud QB when he was the coach at Ray, but he obviously knew how to use that stud QB and had something to do with his success. He has a terrible overall record. Look it up. My point is that the biggest argument against him seems to be that he only won at Ray because he had a very good QB. And that is stupid. You can point to any winning coach and say "well he only won because he had this great player or that great player". Yet everyone in here seems to only want to use that excuse against this Gonzalez guy. As far as his overall bad record, he also has coached 2 scrub programs, look it up. Ray was garbage before Gonzalez took over.
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Post by cochino on Aug 11, 2013 13:36:37 GMT -6
Was there a team that he coached that held opponents to under 25-30 points on average a game. He knows not about defense. What was Whitaker's track record before he got to PLC? EXACTLY. It was also garbage. Teams lit up Kingsville's defense when Whitaker was their coach . So what if you guys hadn't taken a chance on Whitaker because of his previous stops?
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Post by Saltydog on Aug 11, 2013 13:40:33 GMT -6
Hello everyone new to board im an east an west fan I have nephews playing for both schools went to east intra-squad scrimmage last night offense looks really good very fast looks like coach is opening up playbook new formations still a spread offense now on the defensive side of ball new defensive coordinator new scheme defense is definitely faster lots of young talent with speed needs to work on tackling overall impressed big improvement all around Welcome, Since Calhoun has no scrimmage scheduled on the 16th I plan on trying to make the VE against the mighty Coyotes scrimmage. I will have my pad out taking scouting notes I know you all will go deep to Loften at least once in the scrimmage.....maybe we can call this the mini superbowl scrimmage since the superbowl scrimmage takes place in Corpus..
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Post by cochino on Aug 11, 2013 14:14:47 GMT -6
Gonzalez was picked for a reason. Deal with it. Maybe as much as you personally dislike him, he still was the best applicant. Just like the people that complain about Trevino over at Carroll. Umm maybe he just was the best applicant they had.
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Post by Purp on Aug 11, 2013 14:18:03 GMT -6
Gonzalez was picked for a reason. Deal with it. Maybe as much as you personally dislike him, he still was the best applicant. Just like the people that complain about Trevino over at Carroll. Umm maybe he just was the best applicant they had. I personally have no issues with him, to say I dislike him is not the case. I simply looked at his coaching record and it shows he has never built a solid defense. When that happens its hard to win consistently.
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Post by cochino on Aug 11, 2013 14:20:57 GMT -6
Further, when you have a passing game, and you don't score on every possession, you don't use a lot of clock, and that puts a lot pressure on your defense. Especially when your playing a running team that eats clock like its going out of style. Then your stuck passing and evenatually it just catches up to you. I don't need a run/pass lesson from a guy that supports a team that runs the ball 50 times a game and passes it 2 times. Denton Guyer won a title last season playing no defense. So don't tell me it can't be done. At the very least it's more likely to see a team win a championship playing no defense than it is to see a team win the championship running the ball 99% of the time. And yet your coach runs it 99% of the time. So maybe you should worry about critiquing your own coach instead of East's coach.
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Post by cochino on Aug 11, 2013 14:29:07 GMT -6
I don't need a run/pass lesson from a guy that supports a team that runs the ball 50 times a game and passes it 2 times. Denton Guyer won a title last season playing no defense. So don't tell me it can't be done. At the very least it's more likely to see a team win a championship playing no defense than it is to see a team win the championship running the ball 99% of the time. And yet your coach runs it 99% of the time. So maybe you should worry about critiquing your own coach instead of East's coach. The same could be said a out you cochino? Whitaker has his faults. I wish he would pass more. He gets the best he can out of the talent that he is given. It's my opinion, doesn't mean I'm right, I can admit that, I don't know if you can. It's an observation for debate sake. Again, his track record does not indicate he can build a defense. I think your comparison with denton guyer is poor. VE offense is nothing compared to that. Also the DG defense got the required stops, when did the VE defense do that, in a game that mattered? Not putting East in the same category as Guyer. But the point is the same. You obviously can win championships with no defense. Guyer proved that.
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Post by tigers on Aug 11, 2013 14:36:47 GMT -6
Gonzalez was picked for a reason. Deal with it. Maybe as much as you personally dislike him, he still was the best applicant. Just like the people that complain about Trevino over at Carroll. Umm maybe he just was the best applicant they had. Your right about him being the best possible candidate, I know there were better, but they quite possibly withdrew after finding out what they were getting into with the country club old school admis and culture they were facing. You infatuation with Victoria schools must come from somewhere ... did you play for Calhoun in the 70's 80's or 90's ? You must have been on the wrong side of a VHS or Stroman game? Or maybe you had a kid on the 2010 team?
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Post by tigers on Aug 11, 2013 14:52:24 GMT -6
You just seem to be an expert on VISD .... Must have been a good whipping
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Post by tigers on Aug 11, 2013 15:05:21 GMT -6
No issue your are entitled to your opinion .... Just seems you have extra vile for VISD .... I just assumed it came from the past success Calhoun had vs VHS
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Post by tigers on Aug 11, 2013 15:26:23 GMT -6
I agree there may be some administration issues .... But from the parents I talk to at East they respect what coach Gonzales is doing no doubt there where issues with Finley and discipline but from what I hear and see they are headed in the right direction .... Buying into a program doesn't happen over night
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2013 15:27:41 GMT -6
Further, when you have a passing game, and you don't score on every possession, you don't use a lot of clock, and that puts a lot pressure on your defense. Especially when your playing a running team that eats clock like its going out of style. Then your stuck passing and evenatually it just catches up to you. I don't need a run/pass lesson from a guy that supports a team that runs the ball 50 times a game and passes it 2 times. Denton Guyer won a title last season playing no defense. So don't tell me it can't be done. At the very least it's more likely to see a team win a championship playing no defense than it is to see a team win the championship running the ball 99% of the time. And yet your coach runs it 99% of the time. So maybe you should worry about critiquing your own coach instead of East's coach. like PurpCrab said, poor comparison. Guyer's defense gave up 50+ to Cedar Hill, Colleyville Heritage, and John Tyler; 42 to Birdville; 37 to Georgetown; 30 to Amarillo and Aledo. VE's defense gave up 77 to Calallen, 61 to Calhoun, 49 to Tuloso-Midway, 48 to Victoria West, 30 to Beeville. Notice the difference? Guyer's defense got shredded by good offenses, but the defense could at least shut down the bad offenses on the schedule (shutouts vs. Denton and Wichita Falls, 8 to Brewer, 10 to a quarterback-free version of Wichita Falls Rider.) I can safely say that Guyer would not give up 49 to T-M or 30 to Beeville, or 77 to Calallen. The lowest point total VE gave up last season was 27, and that was against a 3A team. And... the other thing is, you have to be averaging close to 50 a game on offense to get away with that, which VE didn't.
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Post by sandcrabs04 on Aug 11, 2013 15:29:12 GMT -6
Gonzalez was picked for a reason. Deal with it. Maybe as much as you personally dislike him, he still was the best applicant. Just like the people that complain about Trevino over at Carroll. Umm maybe he just was the best applicant they had. No the guys they originally offered declined. One of them is From victoria and now head coach at Texas City. Gonzales was likely the third choice. The point on Whitaker is moot. He still had a better overall record at kvillle then gonzales does career wise. Look it up. I don't have a problem with him . I hope vic keeps him for years and years
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Post by Purp on Aug 11, 2013 15:30:39 GMT -6
I agree there may be some administration issues .... But from the parents I talk to at East they respect what coach Gonzales is doing no doubt there where issues with Finley and discipline but from what I hear and see they are headed in the right direction .... Buying into a program doesn't happen over night I completely agree, I wish it were a coach with a better track record for building defenses, as offense has never been an issue with VE or WEST
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