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Post by bubbme on Oct 30, 2024 16:51:51 GMT -6
I have Wagner over BC Pieper big over Vic East SV big over MacA NB over Seguin If that holds Wagner and Seguin would be tied for the final playoff spot going into week 11. But Wagner closes with NB, and Seguin closes with Mac... A Seguin win over New Braunfels would be huge, but the Matadors would weather a loss by clinching a spot the following week by beating MacArthur. New Braunfels is in a more precarious situation; both Seguin and Wagner are both bubble teams, and NB needs to beat one of them, or preferably both. If the Unicorns drop both games, then they are surely out of the playoffs. I feel good about NB’s chances, but Seguin has been overperforming throughout district play. This is a stressful week. It’s already stressful enough as a rivalry week, but with the playoffs also on the line, NB needs to be on top of its game. Yes - if Seguin NB wins, it also brings in the possibility of the 3-way tie I outlined earlier....that would be spicy! Oops! That didn't look right when I originally typed it...but the urge to press Post overwhelmed me! |
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Post by bubbme on Oct 30, 2024 17:34:51 GMT -6
I'm also interested to see how the Vic East defense fares against the Pieper offense - Vic East has so far been the second stingiest squad in points against in D1 play (they haven't faced SV or Pieper yet). They were good against NB and BC, less so against Wagner and Seguin.
If the Titans are successful in holding Pieper down (and SV the following week) it may tell the competition something.
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Post by FB fan on Oct 30, 2024 17:40:47 GMT -6
I'm also interested to see how the Vic East defense fares against the Pieper offense - Vic East has so far been the second stingiest squad in points against in D1 play (they haven't faced SV or Pieper yet). They were good against NB and BC, less so against Wagner and Seguin. If the Titans are successful in holding Pieper down (and SV the following week) it may tell the competition something. Over the years while the Victoria teams were grouped down this way you never knew what you were going to get week to week. |
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Post by bubbme on Oct 30, 2024 18:37:19 GMT -6
I'm also interested to see how the Vic East defense fares against the Pieper offense - Vic East has so far been the second stingiest squad in points against in D1 play (they haven't faced SV or Pieper yet). They were good against NB and BC, less so against Wagner and Seguin. If the Titans are successful in holding Pieper down (and SV the following week) it may tell the competition something. Over the years while the Victoria teams were grouped down this way you never knew what you were going to get week to week. That's weird, but certainly looks like that this year |
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 30, 2024 20:17:04 GMT -6
I'm also interested to see how the Vic East defense fares against the Pieper offense - Vic East has so far been the second stingiest squad in points against in D1 play (they haven't faced SV or Pieper yet). They were good against NB and BC, less so against Wagner and Seguin. If the Titans are successful in holding Pieper down (and SV the following week) it may tell the competition something. Victoria East was pretty successful vs New Braunfels. The Titans lost to NB 23-21, with East leaving NB scoreless in the second half. Granted, it was the dreaded Fair Week game, but East still gets credit for it. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 31, 2024 5:31:38 GMT -6
I have Wagner over BC Pieper big over Vic East SV big over MacA NB over Seguin If that holds Wagner and Seguin would be tied for the final playoff spot going into week 11. But Wagner closes with NB, and Seguin closes with Mac... A Seguin win over New Braunfels would be huge, but the Matadors would weather a loss by clinching a spot the following week by beating MacArthur. New Braunfels is in a more precarious situation; both Seguin and Wagner are both bubble teams, and NB needs to beat one of them, or preferably both. If the Unicorns drop both games, then they are surely out of the playoffs. I feel good about NB’s chances, but Seguin has been overperforming throughout district play. This is a stressful week. It’s already stressful enough as a rivalry week, but with the playoffs also on the line, NB needs to be on top of its game. I honestly do not see NB losing to either Seg or Wag the next 2 weeks. NB plays solid defense and I cannot see Seguin or Wagner beating NB this year. Seguin's defense is terrible allowing nearly 46 ppg. NB will get that or at least close to it. No way Seguin gets more than 31 which is their avg ppg this season! NB by at least 2 scores in this one and likely more! And with Wagner. Sure they present some problems and always have a couple kids that can really go but they only avg 25 ppg. And when playing better teams it isn't close to that 25 ppg. NB's defense is solid and Wagner will likely not get more than 21. Wagner's defense has been pretty salty allowing only 22 ppg. Both DS and Pieper put 35 on them and SV put up 30. Seguin scored 28. I think NB gets to that 28 and holds wagner to 21 or less. NB by a score, maybe 2! |
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Post by bubbme on Oct 31, 2024 6:00:26 GMT -6
A Seguin win over New Braunfels would be huge, but the Matadors would weather a loss by clinching a spot the following week by beating MacArthur. New Braunfels is in a more precarious situation; both Seguin and Wagner are both bubble teams, and NB needs to beat one of them, or preferably both. If the Unicorns drop both games, then they are surely out of the playoffs. I feel good about NB’s chances, but Seguin has been overperforming throughout district play. This is a stressful week. It’s already stressful enough as a rivalry week, but with the playoffs also on the line, NB needs to be on top of its game. I honestly do not see NB losing to either Seg or Wag the next 2 weeks. NB plays solid defense and I cannot see Seguin or Wagner beating NB this year. Seguin's defense is terrible allowing nearly 46 ppg. NB will get that or at least close to it. No way Seguin gets more than 31 which is their avg ppg this season! NB by at least 2 scores in this one and likely more! And with Wagner. Sure they present some problems and always have a couple kids that can really go but they only avg 25 ppg. And when playing better teams it isn't close to that 25 ppg. NB's defense is solid and Wagner will likely not get more than 21. Wagner's defense has been pretty salty allowing only 22 ppg. Both DS and Pieper put 35 on them and SV put up 30. Seguin scored 28. I think NB gets to that 28 and holds wagner to 21 or less. NB by a score, maybe 2! Yeah, I agree whole heartedly NB should win comfortably versus Seguin and Wagner - they are a better team than either. Obviously turnovers are the wild card, but I like NB to make less on Offense and produce more on defense than Seguin and Wagner. NB played good football against a ball hawking SV defense and had no turnovers. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 31, 2024 6:08:11 GMT -6
I’m gonna post this here also, as it gives some context to Friday’s game: In 1993, San Antonio Express-News sportswriter David King wrote a book called “On, New Braunfels” which detailed the chronology of Unicorn Football up until 1993. The book discussed in great detail the history between New Braunfels and Seguin. The book predates the current moniker of the “Guadalupe River Bowl”, so there is no mention of the name in the book. The rivalry’s title didn’t come into prominence until the early 2000’s. The book also discusses the series record, which at the time was 43-33-3. If you piece together that record along with all games played since that book was written, then the current record has New Braunfels leading Seguin in the series 69-37-3. Thats a total of 109 games. However, some sources place the 2024 game as the 112th game. The book discusses this as well. The book confirms that the rivalry started in 1927, with both teams playing twice a year in the early-mid 1900’s. What about the other two games between 1923-1926-ish? The book confirms that they were not school sponsored events for New Braunfels HS, so the SA E-N does not count them in the running total of games. Therefore, if the official rivalry started in 1927, then it would run consecutively since its official inception year until the current year, making it the oldest, continuous rivalry in Texas HS football. If one decides to count the games from the early 1920’s, then it’s no longer an continual year-to-year matchup. But what about Sherman vs Denison and Bay City vs El Campo? Aren’t they older? Older, yes. But both rivalries have take at least one year off since their inception year. Sherman vs Denison (The Battle of the Ax) started in 1901, but has not played ever single year since 1901. They are the straight out Oldest Rivalry in the state. Then there’s Bay City vs El Campo. This rivalry started in 1911, starting a consecutive year-to-year streak in 1920 up until the current year. In other words, they took a few years off in the 1910’s as well. So if you’re looking for the longest year-to-year streak, then this rivalry is the oldest continuous by that specific definition. However, if you’re looking for the longest string of yearly games that has never been broken since it’s inception year, then your winner is New Braunfels vs Seguin. It too can claim the title of oldest, continuous rivalry in the state of Texas by that definition. Many people probably don’t care about this, but I think it’s an important piece of history to bring up every year as the game renews for its 97th consecutive year. This is GOLD for us history buffs! Thanks! It sure is! And NB has owned this rivalry the last 43 years and I don't think that is changing this week. Seguin has improved and they can score some points but NB is just the better team with the better defense and will beat the Mats again. Besides a few wins in the early 2000s, this has been as one-sided as any matchup I can think of. Here is some recent history dating back to 1981 (43 years) in this game. NB has won it 38 of 43 times. Seguin's last win was 2013. Seguin's only wins since 1981 were in 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, & 2013. Total points scored since 1981 are 1334 for NB and 654 for Seguin for an avg game score of 31 to 15. Largest margin win for NB was 51-6 in 2009 and for Seguin it was 36-30 in 2001. NB has shutout Seguin 5 times and held them under 10 points 15 times in these 43 games and under 15 points 22 times of the 43 games. Seguin has not gotten a shutout on NB and held them under 15 points only just 4 times. |
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 31, 2024 13:43:36 GMT -6
This is GOLD for us history buffs! Thanks! It sure is! And NB has owned this rivalry the last 43 years and I don't think that is changing this week. Seguin has improved and they can score some points but NB is just the better team with the better defense and will beat the Mats again. Besides a few wins in the early 2000s, this has been as one-sided as any matchup I can think of. Here is some recent history dating back to 1981 (43 years) in this game. NB has won it 38 of 43 times. Seguin's last win was 2013. Seguin's only wins since 1981 were in 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, & 2013. Total points scored since 1981 are 1334 for NB and 654 for Seguin for an avg game score of 31 to 15. Largest margin win for NB was 51-6 in 2009 and for Seguin it was 36-30 in 2001. NB has shutout Seguin 5 times and held them under 10 points 15 times in these 43 games and under 15 points 22 times of the 43 games. Seguin has not gotten a shutout on NB and held them under 15 points only just 4 times. How are you able to get this info? I love it. Although I am 99% sure that NB beat Seguin in 2001 also. My sister graduated in 2005 and their class got a lot of flack for losing to Seguin for the 1st time in 24 years. Seguin cheered like they won the Super Bowl in overtime that night. It was excruciating for a Unicorn fan. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 31, 2024 13:54:28 GMT -6
It sure is! And NB has owned this rivalry the last 43 years and I don't think that is changing this week. Seguin has improved and they can score some points but NB is just the better team with the better defense and will beat the Mats again. Besides a few wins in the early 2000s, this has been as one-sided as any matchup I can think of. Here is some recent history dating back to 1981 (43 years) in this game. NB has won it 38 of 43 times. Seguin's last win was 2013. Seguin's only wins since 1981 were in 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, & 2013. Total points scored since 1981 are 1334 for NB and 654 for Seguin for an avg game score of 31 to 15. Largest margin win for NB was 51-6 in 2009 and for Seguin it was 36-30 in 2001. NB has shutout Seguin 5 times and held them under 10 points 15 times in these 43 games and under 15 points 22 times of the 43 games. Seguin has not gotten a shutout on NB and held them under 15 points only just 4 times. How are you able to get this info? I love it. Although I am 99% sure that NB beat Seguin in 2001 also. My sister graduated in 2005 and their class got a lot of flack for losing to Seguin for the 1st time in 24 years. Seguin cheered like they won the Super Bowl in overtime that night. It was excruciating for a Unicorn fan. WOS87 on the 6a board had all 5a & 6a teams all-time records up to about 2015. His data showed in 2001 that Seguin won 27-14. www.6atexasfootball.com/forum/main-forum/199726-complete-game-by-game-football-historiesThe rest of the games I just got from maxpreps previous seasons. |
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 31, 2024 14:37:33 GMT -6
How are you able to get this info? I love it. Although I am 99% sure that NB beat Seguin in 2001 also. My sister graduated in 2005 and their class got a lot of flack for losing to Seguin for the 1st time in 24 years. Seguin cheered like they won the Super Bowl in overtime that night. It was excruciating for a Unicorn fan. WOS87 on the 6a board had all 5a & 6a teams all-time records up to about 2015. His data showed in 2001 that Seguin won 27-14. www.6atexasfootball.com/forum/main-forum/199726-complete-game-by-game-football-historiesThe rest of the games I just got from maxpreps previous seasons. Yea he’s wrong. But it’s all heresay until I can pulled up the NB Herald archive of it. He did histories for hundreds of teams. There was bound to be a clerical error somewhere. EDIT: Yea checked the archives. NB beat Seguin 42-14, but lost to MARSHALL 27-14. I need to go find that historical data; thanks for the heads up. |
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