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Post by sinfan75 on Nov 30, 2023 18:42:31 GMT -6
I talk about them plenty but not here on a thread about Alice or really on this forum. There are other forums that talk much more about 6a. And, I'm a realist and know what my team's limit is this year and they've just about hit that. I expect them to put up a great game this week and maybe win another regional title but that is where the road ends this year. What am I being a downer about? Because I'm telling the truth about the cost of construction today versus over 4 years ago? It's not being a downer, it's being realistic about things. And Alice doesn't need a 10k seat stadium even though in your mind you think they do. I bet the Alice ISD tax payers will think differently if a $30m stadium comes up for a vote. Does Alice need a 10k seat stadium for the CC King game? No. Does Alice need a 10k stadium for big games and playoffs? Yes it would be beneficial. Buc is 11.5k. Cabaniss is 9.5k. You act like 10k is a ridiculous amount. Buc Stadtum seats 18,000 according Texas Bob stadium database.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 30, 2023 18:59:14 GMT -6
I think in a few years as these bonds for new stadiums or significant upgrades start failing more in parts of the state which have more political influence, they will revise the law and go back to the one ballot if an ISD choses to present it this way. It's ridiculous for simple renovations you couldn't put it on the ballot with renovations you might be doing with academic facilities , especially if those renovations help the district comply with ADA. It's also dumb that you could include an athletic venue either from the ground up or renovations if that venue has a dual purpose for athletics and academics, or it seats under 1000 spectators. But the law was in response to all the ridiculous bling you see now at the newer stadiums especially in the DFW and Houston areas. But when some of the up and coming burbs in those areas can't get their new shiny things passed, they will put pressure on the lawmakers and it will change. It might take a few years, but it will happen. A compromise would be if a new venue is being built from the ground up, it should require voter approval on a separate ballot. But if it's for simple maintaince or upgrades up to a certain amount, it should go on a regular ballot with academic things. Our bond for $12 million that failed at Calallen, only $6 million or so was going to the football stadium for a new pressbox with ADA access, new restrooms to bring up to ADA requirements, new concession stands to ADA, new scoreboard and fencing upgrades. The rest was going to the baseball and softball fields for turf and other upgrades too. But if you had read some of the anti everything people on Facebook or the Next door App, you would've thought we were going to build a $94 million like Prosper project. And most of these people were over 65 too meaning they have their fricken tax rates frozen and the ISD could've passed a Billion in bonds requiring hundreds of dollars in tax increases, and their property rates would stay the same until they either moved or died. So what's the solution when these bonds fail and it's actually something that is really needed? Alice needs a new stadium because of safety issues that stem from having a 76 year old stadium not because someone just decided they felt like having a new stadium. TM got their upgrades to their stadium without bond money. A month or two after their current Super took over, he asked the School Board for $5 Million from their General Fund and they went with it.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 30, 2023 19:15:41 GMT -6
10k seat $35 million stadium just opened this season by Melissa. Alice needs this. The #1 fanbase in South Texas needs the best stadium also...
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 30, 2023 19:16:50 GMT -6
Does Alice need a 10k seat stadium for the CC King game? No. Does Alice need a 10k stadium for big games and playoffs? Yes it would be beneficial. Buc is 11.5k. Cabaniss is 9.5k. You act like 10k is a ridiculous amount. Buc Stadtum seats 18,000 according Texas Bob stadium database. No it doesn't. How long has it been since you were on Texas Bob? It's 11k. They were always wrong about that 18k that's why they think Calallen/LaMarque had 22k in attendance and it never was that much.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 30, 2023 19:31:50 GMT -6
Melissa is a city of only 16k and has an enrollment with about 50 less students than Alice. Leave it up to clemensbuff and they wouldn't have that beautiful stadium because what does a program of that size need with a 10k seat stadium lol.
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 30, 2023 19:31:54 GMT -6
I think in a few years as these bonds for new stadiums or significant upgrades start failing more in parts of the state which have more political influence, they will revise the law and go back to the one ballot if an ISD choses to present it this way. It's ridiculous for simple renovations you couldn't put it on the ballot with renovations you might be doing with academic facilities , especially if those renovations help the district comply with ADA. It's also dumb that you could include an athletic venue either from the ground up or renovations if that venue has a dual purpose for athletics and academics, or it seats under 1000 spectators. But the law was in response to all the ridiculous bling you see now at the newer stadiums especially in the DFW and Houston areas. But when some of the up and coming burbs in those areas can't get their new shiny things passed, they will put pressure on the lawmakers and it will change. It might take a few years, but it will happen. A compromise would be if a new venue is being built from the ground up, it should require voter approval on a separate ballot. But if it's for simple maintaince or upgrades up to a certain amount, it should go on a regular ballot with academic things. Our bond for $12 million that failed at Calallen, only $6 million or so was going to the football stadium for a new pressbox with ADA access, new restrooms to bring up to ADA requirements, new concession stands to ADA, new scoreboard and fencing upgrades. The rest was going to the baseball and softball fields for turf and other upgrades too. But if you had read some of the anti everything people on Facebook or the Next door App, you would've thought we were going to build a $94 million like Prosper project. And most of these people were over 65 too meaning they have their fricken tax rates frozen and the ISD could've passed a Billion in bonds requiring hundreds of dollars in tax increases, and their property rates would stay the same until they either moved or died. So what's the solution when these bonds fail and it's actually something that is really needed? Alice needs a new stadium because of safety issues that stem from having a 76 year old stadium not because someone just decided they felt like having a new stadium. Alice is just going to have to lobby its community hard to get the stadium renovation to pass. But $25 million, while not excessive, is a sizable amount and it’s going to be difficult to get it to pass. I know the plain-“Jane” route isn’t as fun, but Seguin’s $13+ million is still essentially a ground-up renovation and it came out great. You want to give your athletic bond the greatest chance of passing, and a $15-20 million bond will be easier to pass than a $25-30+ million bond, which is going to raise some eyebrows. Either that, or just pull from reserves, but it’s hard to find enough in reserves for a full-on stadium renovation. That’s better served for a new press box or maybe a new seating section. Sounds like Alice needs a bulldozer for the whole thing.
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Post by sinfan75 on Nov 30, 2023 19:52:55 GMT -6
Buc Stadtum seats 18,000 according Texas Bob stadium database. No it doesn't. How long has it been since you were on Texas Bob? It's 11k. They were always wrong about that 18k that's why they think Calallen/LaMarque had 22k in attendance and it never was that much. It's been a while obviously. you are right
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 30, 2023 21:00:41 GMT -6
Melissa is a city of only 16k and has an enrollment with about 50 less students than Alice. Leave it up to clemensbuff and they wouldn't have that beautiful stadium because what does a program of that size need with a 10k seat stadium lol. Melissa is the next McKinney or Frisco in the DFW area. They will have multiple high schools within a decade. So will their sister town Anna up there.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 30, 2023 21:15:06 GMT -6
Good luck getting anything to pass with Alice's resident a$$hole already speaking out against this on his Facebook page. Newell Atkinson III is already trying to influence against the stadium.
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Post by markp3602 on Nov 30, 2023 21:31:27 GMT -6
Good luck getting anything to pass with Alice's resident a$$hole already speaking out against this on his Facebook page. Newell Atkinson III is already trying to influence against the stadium. that guy never wants any thing for the kids or town. if he isnt making a profit he is against it. hence y everything that is built is on his area of land here in town .
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Post by markp3602 on Nov 30, 2023 21:32:20 GMT -6
Good luck getting anything to pass with Alice's resident a$$hole already speaking out against this on his Facebook page. Newell Atkinson III is already trying to influence against the stadium. that guy never wants any thing for the kids or town. if he isnt making a profit he is against it. hence y everything that is built is on his area of land here in town . and he never donates tonthe schools nothing!
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 30, 2023 22:13:58 GMT -6
Good luck getting anything to pass with Alice's resident a$$hole already speaking out against this on his Facebook page. Newell Atkinson III is already trying to influence against the stadium. that guy never wants any thing for the kids or town. if he isnt making a profit he is against it. hence y everything that is built is on his area of land here in town . Yeah I'm arguing with him and his cronies on his post literally right now. Apparently if you build a stadium kids can't learn to read and write and it's the reason kids misbehave in elementarty school.
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Post by calcatgirl on Nov 30, 2023 22:29:58 GMT -6
that guy never wants any thing for the kids or town. if he isnt making a profit he is against it. hence y everything that is built is on his area of land here in town . Yeah I'm arguing with him and his cronies on his post literally right now. Apparently if you build a stadium kids can't learn to read and write and it's the reason kids misbehave in elementarty school. That is literally the most annoying thing ever. People who think that amazing athletic facilities diminishes learning are such fools. Fantastic athletic facilities attracts families and can literally enhance everything in the district.
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Post by markp3602 on Nov 30, 2023 22:53:45 GMT -6
Yeah I'm arguing with him and his cronies on his post literally right now. Apparently if you build a stadium kids can't learn to read and write and it's the reason kids misbehave in elementarty school. That is literally the most annoying thing ever. People who think that amazing athletic facilities diminishes learning are such fools. Fantastic athletic facilities attracts families and can literally enhance everything in the district. im a firm believer great ahtletics programs have great academics. it goes hand in hand if u look at any big time winning school their academics is right there with it. i lived in calallen for 8 years and my oldest who is 13 no went to school there till she was 9 . they have some of the best academics i have ever seen. so i totally agree with u .
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 1, 2023 7:15:36 GMT -6
Melissa is a city of only 16k and has an enrollment with about 50 less students than Alice. Leave it up to clemensbuff and they wouldn't have that beautiful stadium because what does a program of that size need with a 10k seat stadium lol. Really This is what you have as your argument here? Do you really want to do this? OK, it appears you do so here we go................... The absolute only thing you are right about is that both school districts are very close in enrollment today (2023). 4269 total for Alice & 4874 for Melissa. So here are some facts to debunk your cherry picking numbers. You could have done the same before making a post like this but you choose not to. All the information is very easily available online. One district is upper middle class, the other is not. I don't consider this the big factor in any way but it certainly plays a part when it comes to bonding tax payer dollars for improvements.
| Melissa | Alice | Avg Household Income | $128,068 | $62,284 | Medium Home Cost | $512,810 | $185,000 | Avg School Tax ($1.10/100 | $5,663 | $2,035 | Population @ or below poverty rate | 3.61% | 23.95% |
One district is growing like crazy, the other is not. This is a HUGE factor in what is needed in improvements and new, more, and bigger facilitites! Growth numbers and percentages Year | Alice | % Change | Melissa | % Change
| 2001 | 19,215 | | 1,691 | | 2005 | 19,564 | 1.82%
| 2,586 | 52.93%
| 2010 | 19,136 | -2.19% | 4,844 | 87.32% | 2015 | 19,341 | 1.07% | 7,546 | 55.78% | 2020 | 17,848 | -7.72% | 14,338 | 90.01% | 2023 | 17,693 | -0.9% | 23,721 | 65.4% | Change from 2001 to 2023 |
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Seriously man, if you want to call me out and argue, then at least have something intelligent to argue about and to compare. One town has decreased in population the last 23+ years by almost 10% while the other is damn near 1,000% bigger than it was 23 years ago! Last, by 2030 Melissa ISD is projected to have nearly 8k students which will damn near be double what Alice ISD has. Add another 10 years to that and the numbers get staggering.
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