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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 9:03:46 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... YUP! CCVM is afraid to go out and play any legit 5a powerhouse or decent 6a team in non-district. It would taint that 10-0 record! Until they learn to do it, they will not do any better than they already have which is getting killed in the semis after winning a very weak 5a D1 R4 (if they win it again this year). Miller and Vela have a shot at beating them. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Just like in investing... past history is no guarantee of future success... and past failures do not guarantee future failures. Let it play out. And yes, I agree... Miller and Vela both have a good shot at beating Vets. So do El Campo and Canyon. So do Victoria West, and potentially Victoria East. There are very capable teams on the schedule. Vets has to play to standards, or lose. It's that simple. There are no guarantees.
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Post by picodegallo on Jun 27, 2022 9:31:09 GMT -6
I agree with you on Body I think Miller may be better than that though this year. If that QB gains some momentum and ups his game they have the weapons to be damn potent and very hard to stop. Miller is very potent and hard to stop... they have been for years and they will most definitely be again this season. Their QB1 has developed nicely and will light up stat sheets and scoreboards all season. Look for Miller to average 45 a game this season, at a minimum. They will score 60+ at least 5 times, including the playoffs. Moody and the Victoria schools have no shot at beating Miller. Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 9:47:25 GMT -6
Miller is very potent and hard to stop... they have been for years and they will most definitely be again this season. Their QB1 has developed nicely and will light up stat sheets and scoreboards all season. Look for Miller to average 45 a game this season, at a minimum. They will score 60+ at least 5 times, including the playoffs. Moody and the Victoria schools have no shot at beating Miller. Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn. I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming good. I guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence.
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Post by sotex on Jun 27, 2022 9:54:50 GMT -6
Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn. I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming goodI guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence. 2017 seriously? When Miller went 4-6 and 1-4 in district? That is your idea of good?🤔
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 10:06:17 GMT -6
I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming goodI guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence. 2017 seriously? When Miller went 4-6 and 1-4 in district? That is your idea of good?🤔 That's my idea of when the program began it's transformation, yes. Is that when Evans arrived? Not sure... but it would definitely make sense if that was his first year.
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Post by picodegallo on Jun 27, 2022 10:06:18 GMT -6
Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn. I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming good. I guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence. Come on man.... That is NOT what you said. Miller didn't really make a mark until 2019 no matter how you spin it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 10:07:49 GMT -6
Exactly. I'm just trying to keep him grounded. Either he's ignorant to the fact or thinks we are. I’m just stating facts. Vets is 6-1 over Miller all-time. That includes the 3 or 4 years of Andrew Body. Miller’s only win is a 50-43 double overtime win in a game Vets led 23-0 just before half when Miller scored on a fumble return for a td as Vets was inside the Miller 15 about to get another score. They scored on 2 more defensive touchdowns and a fake punt. All of that is fact. And all of it was needed to get their only win over Vets in history. Andrew Body was Miller’s qb. Senterfitt was Vets qb in his first action back since going out with an injury vs. Flour Bluff early in the season. The only other real threat of a Miller win was when the Andrew Body led Bucs were 12-0 in Round 3 of that same year. Vets won 56-49 in regulation. My son scored 3 td’s that game, and Cameron De La Peña had something like 15 catches. Senterfitt rushed for another 2 scores, I believe. This was the EPIC game that filled Buc. In none of the other games did Miller pose any real threat to Vets save for maybe 2016 when Vets went 4-6 in its inaugural season. In 2020 when Miller went all the way to almost knock off Austin LBJ and Body earned his scholarship… Vets demolished Miller with a 60-something to 30iish score. 2017 and 2018 were the Soto vs. Body years. Miller talked all kinds of noise going into those games and got shut up. Don’t let the 2018 score fool you. That game was over by half/into the 3rd quarter and Vets just coasted to the win. Miller has been good for a long while… record-wise they might not show it… but they gave Calallen and PLC all kinds of heck in these same years Vets beat them. They beat Flour Bluff, once for sure and maybe twice in this same timeframe. I don’t think they’ve ever lost to the Victoria schools, and they absolutely DESTROYED Alice with a 70-something to weaksauce score. Don’t tell me I don’t know about the Miller/Vets rivalry. It’s one of my absolute favorites! As far as your example of the year Miller beat Alice 73-42 counting scrimmages that was Miller's SEVENTH game of the season and only Alice's SECOND game. That was the year Alice wasn't playing because of covid then midway through the season had a vote and started the season late. Had Alice also had their 2 scrimmages and 5 games leading up to that Miller game it would have gone very differently. Last season as well Alice was DESTROYING Miller before odd coaching decisions to go conservative once they were up lost them the game by 4. People don't understand also this year was Alice's first full off-season. They didn't have it in 2020 or 2021 because of those same covid guidelines the school had that had them missing half the 2020 season. The point is Miller is not what you are making them out to be and they never have been. For someone that claims to be an ex-Coyote you sure talk a lot of nonsense about them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 10:11:56 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... YUP! CCVM is afraid to go out and play any legit 5a powerhouse or decent 6a team in non-district. It would taint that 10-0 record! Until they learn to do it, they will not do any better than they already have which is getting killed in the semis after winning a very weak 5a D1 R4 (if they win it again this year). Miller and Vela have a shot at beating them. Your first sentence is exactly my argument against calallen and yet somehow I get attacked for having that opinion. This isn't all about Denton Ryan. I'm saying calallen NEVER takes those chances not just this season and not just the Denton Ryan example. They NEVER put a team on their schedule that could potentially embarrass them and when I say embarrass I'm not talking like it has to be 70-0 so stop making it about that. I'm not even stating an opinion. It's fact that they don't so I don't understand the pushback I get from the outsiders. From the calallen people I expect it but not from the others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 10:20:22 GMT -6
Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn. I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming good. I guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence. Stop it man. They were 4-6 in 2017 and 6-4 in 2018.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 10:23:08 GMT -6
I’m just stating facts. Vets is 6-1 over Miller all-time. That includes the 3 or 4 years of Andrew Body. Miller’s only win is a 50-43 double overtime win in a game Vets led 23-0 just before half when Miller scored on a fumble return for a td as Vets was inside the Miller 15 about to get another score. They scored on 2 more defensive touchdowns and a fake punt. All of that is fact. And all of it was needed to get their only win over Vets in history. Andrew Body was Miller’s qb. Senterfitt was Vets qb in his first action back since going out with an injury vs. Flour Bluff early in the season. The only other real threat of a Miller win was when the Andrew Body led Bucs were 12-0 in Round 3 of that same year. Vets won 56-49 in regulation. My son scored 3 td’s that game, and Cameron De La Peña had something like 15 catches. Senterfitt rushed for another 2 scores, I believe. This was the EPIC game that filled Buc. In none of the other games did Miller pose any real threat to Vets save for maybe 2016 when Vets went 4-6 in its inaugural season. In 2020 when Miller went all the way to almost knock off Austin LBJ and Body earned his scholarship… Vets demolished Miller with a 60-something to 30iish score. 2017 and 2018 were the Soto vs. Body years. Miller talked all kinds of noise going into those games and got shut up. Don’t let the 2018 score fool you. That game was over by half/into the 3rd quarter and Vets just coasted to the win. Miller has been good for a long while… record-wise they might not show it… but they gave Calallen and PLC all kinds of heck in these same years Vets beat them. They beat Flour Bluff, once for sure and maybe twice in this same timeframe. I don’t think they’ve ever lost to the Victoria schools, and they absolutely DESTROYED Alice with a 70-something to weaksauce score. Don’t tell me I don’t know about the Miller/Vets rivalry. It’s one of my absolute favorites! As far as your example of the year Miller beat Alice 73-42 counting scrimmages that was Miller's SEVENTH game of the season and only Alice's SECOND game. That was the year Alice wasn't playing because of covid then midway through the season had a vote and started the season late. Had Alice also had their 2 scrimmages and 5 games leading up to that Miller game it would have gone very differently. Last season as well Alice was DESTROYING Miller before odd coaching decisions to go conservative once they were up lost them the game by 4. People don't understand also this year was Alice's first full off-season. They didn't have it in 2020 or 2021 because of those same covid guidelines the school had that had them missing half the 2020 season. The point is Miller is not what you are making them out to be and they never have been. For someone that claims to be an ex-Coyote you sure talk a lot of nonsense about them. Not an ex-Coyote. 10 miles west... SD. Alice dudes and SD dudes HATED each other for the most part. I never got into that thing... but I did get a pretty bad vibe when I went to an Alice party once. Lots of dudes mean mugging me. And I did get into a drunken fight with a handful of Alice dudes a little later during college. And Miller fielded their worst team in awhile last season. Their qb was a sophomore if I'm not mistaken. He took his lumps. They'll field a much better team this season. I fully expect them to be a dominant team. If Vets does what I think they'll do... depending on pairings, it could be a Vets/Miller rematch for R4. And yes, I realize the perrenial 6A power Edinburg Vela is in the mix. But I'd rank both Vets and Miller above them. Also, I've seen the posts Alice social media put up. Herron is doing an amazing job with the players... it's very impressive. That locker room reminds me very much of the Mitchell locker room at Vets. The Coyotes will be much much better because of the things he's doing. I fully expect Alice to be a dominant force this season. Calallen good? This would be the year to try.
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Post by picodegallo on Jun 27, 2022 10:45:16 GMT -6
As far as your example of the year Miller beat Alice 73-42 counting scrimmages that was Miller's SEVENTH game of the season and only Alice's SECOND game. That was the year Alice wasn't playing because of covid then midway through the season had a vote and started the season late. Had Alice also had their 2 scrimmages and 5 games leading up to that Miller game it would have gone very differently. Last season as well Alice was DESTROYING Miller before odd coaching decisions to go conservative once they were up lost them the game by 4. People don't understand also this year was Alice's first full off-season. They didn't have it in 2020 or 2021 because of those same covid guidelines the school had that had them missing half the 2020 season. The point is Miller is not what you are making them out to be and they never have been. For someone that claims to be an ex-Coyote you sure talk a lot of nonsense about them. Not an ex-Coyote. 10 miles west... SD. Alice dudes and SD dudes HATED each other for the most part. I never got into that thing... but I did get a pretty bad vibe when I went to an Alice party once. Lots of dudes mean mugging me. And I did get into a drunken fight with a handful of Alice dudes a little later during college. And Miller fielded their worst team in awhile last season. Their qb was a sophomore if I'm not mistaken. He took his lumps. They'll field a much better team this season. I fully expect them to be a dominant team. If Vets does what I think they'll do... depending on pairings, it could be a Vets/Miller rematch for R4. And yes, I realize the perrenial 6A power Edinburg Vela is in the mix. But I'd rank both Vets and Miller above them. Also, I've seen the posts Alice social media put up. Herron is doing an amazing job with the players... it's very impressive. That locker room reminds me very much of the Mitchell locker room at Vets. The Coyotes will be much much better because of the things he's doing. I fully expect Alice to be a dominant force this season. Calallen good? This would be the year to try. My goodness the spin never ends with you. They've been on an up turn four FOUR YEARS... Not Ten, fifteen or twenty. FOUR
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 27, 2022 11:03:00 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How are the picks done at DCTF for the magazine? Consensus or someone individually making them? The magazine picks and rankings are exclusively done by Jerry Forrest and his computer rankings
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 12:20:55 GMT -6
Ok this is where you earn your ridicule. One more time for you... Miller has only become a factor since 2018 and it wasn't until 2019 they made it known outside the Coastal Bend. Before that, they had trouble even keeping a 20 to 30 man roster at times because of grades and lack of interest. On top of being opted up at times they should have been in 4A, well because the AD thought it was best for them not to play with school more their size not withstanding their were plenty of close by 4A teams for them to play in a district and not have to travel much at all like West Oso, Robstown, Sinton, etc. You have to go way back to maybe the early 90's or even 80's to see where Miller had sustained success before their most recent up turn. I don't disagree. But I'd throw 2017 in there too. That was Body's freshman year if I'm not mistaken... and the year they started becoming good. I guess we are actually talking about the same thing... I consider 2017 thru now as "years"... apparently y'all don't. But we are talking about the same thing. Basically Miller has been good for just about Vet's entire existence. Dude, seriously man. They went 4-6 and the only wins were: Carroll 44-38 in OT King 26-13 Moody 34-28 (2OT) TM 38-14 They were absolutely blown out by Calallen, GP, & CCVM Stop trying to make teams better than they were because you beat them. 2017 Miller was NOT good!
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 12:27:19 GMT -6
YUP! CCVM is afraid to go out and play any legit 5a powerhouse or decent 6a team in non-district. It would taint that 10-0 record! Until they learn to do it, they will not do any better than they already have which is getting killed in the semis after winning a very weak 5a D1 R4 (if they win it again this year). Miller and Vela have a shot at beating them. Your first sentence is exactly my argument against calallen and yet somehow I get attacked for having that opinion. This isn't all about Denton Ryan. I'm saying calallen NEVER takes those chances not just this season and not just the Denton Ryan example. They NEVER put a team on their schedule that could potentially embarrass them and when I say embarrass I'm not talking like it has to be 70-0 so stop making it about that. I'm not even stating an opinion. It's fact that they don't so I don't understand the pushback I get from the outsiders. From the calallen people I expect it but not from the others. So the all-star SA Cornerstone team doesn't count that they played just a couple years back or LaVega? CAlallen is 4a D1, CCVM is 5a D1 and there is a HUGE percentage difference between these two schools in enrollment size as CCVM is about 74% larger than Calallen is. How many 3a schools does Calallen or Alice have scheduled this year for non district games? At least both are playing at their fighting weight or above..NOT below it.
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Post by Hounhound on Jun 27, 2022 13:18:10 GMT -6
Miller has been a very recent rags to riches story. Not too many years ago they pulled a shocker upset of GP and everyone was stunned. Exactly. I'm just trying to keep him grounded. Either he's ignorant to the fact or thinks we are. It's the latter i believe.
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