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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 26, 2022 19:50:26 GMT -6
No one this year IMO, but I do think the games will be more competitive....2023 may be the year someone else from CCISD sneaks up Who? Caroll? New unproven head coach. Moody? Too inconsistent. Ray, King? Sorry not going to happen. Edit: I missed the 2023. It will be interesting to see how the Carroll program plays out. This year CCISD is Miller/Vets in whatever order you want and everyone else..but I think you'll see those games between Vets/Miller and the other CCISD schools be more competitive...2023 is maybe the year someone sneaks up and it may be Carroll, heard some really good things about what Neatherlin is doing there and you combine that with the new school coming online and numbers in the building increasing I could see the Tigers rise again
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 26, 2022 21:32:49 GMT -6
Don’t worry, Vets will make y’all right. Don’t forget that Vets is 6-1 all-time against Miller. And that 1 Miller win? It was a 50-43 double overtime game that Vets was literally about to go up 30-0 in just before half… when things got weird… and stayed weird. Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How about 14-0 going into week 15?
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 26, 2022 21:48:09 GMT -6
Miller has been a very recent rags to riches story. Not too many years ago they pulled a shocker upset of GP and everyone was stunned. Exactly. I'm just trying to keep him grounded. Either he's ignorant to the fact or thinks we are. I’m just stating facts. Vets is 6-1 over Miller all-time. That includes the 3 or 4 years of Andrew Body. Miller’s only win is a 50-43 double overtime win in a game Vets led 23-0 just before half when Miller scored on a fumble return for a td as Vets was inside the Miller 15 about to get another score. They scored on 2 more defensive touchdowns and a fake punt. All of that is fact. And all of it was needed to get their only win over Vets in history. Andrew Body was Miller’s qb. Senterfitt was Vets qb in his first action back since going out with an injury vs. Flour Bluff early in the season. The only other real threat of a Miller win was when the Andrew Body led Bucs were 12-0 in Round 3 of that same year. Vets won 56-49 in regulation. My son scored 3 td’s that game, and Cameron De La Peña had something like 15 catches. Senterfitt rushed for another 2 scores, I believe. This was the EPIC game that filled Buc. In none of the other games did Miller pose any real threat to Vets save for maybe 2016 when Vets went 4-6 in its inaugural season. In 2020 when Miller went all the way to almost knock off Austin LBJ and Body earned his scholarship… Vets demolished Miller with a 60-something to 30iish score. 2017 and 2018 were the Soto vs. Body years. Miller talked all kinds of noise going into those games and got shut up. Don’t let the 2018 score fool you. That game was over by half/into the 3rd quarter and Vets just coasted to the win. Miller has been good for a long while… record-wise they might not show it… but they gave Calallen and PLC all kinds of heck in these same years Vets beat them. They beat Flour Bluff, once for sure and maybe twice in this same timeframe. I don’t think they’ve ever lost to the Victoria schools, and they absolutely DESTROYED Alice with a 70-something to weaksauce score. Don’t tell me I don’t know about the Miller/Vets rivalry. It’s one of my absolute favorites!
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Post by sotex on Jun 26, 2022 22:15:58 GMT -6
Exactly. I'm just trying to keep him grounded. Either he's ignorant to the fact or thinks we are. I’m just stating facts. Vets is 6-1 over Miller all-time. That includes the 3 or 4 years of Andrew Body. Miller’s only win is a 50-43 double overtime win in a game Vets led 23-0 just before half when Miller scored on a fumble return for a td as Vets was inside the Miller 15 about to get another score. They scored on 2 more defensive touchdowns and a fake punt. All of that is fact. And all of it was needed to get their only win over Vets in history. Andrew Body was Miller’s qb. Senterfitt was Vets qb in his first action back since going out with an injury vs. Flour Bluff early in the season. The only other real threat of a Miller win was when the Andrew Body led Bucs were 12-0 in Round 3 of that same year. Vets won 56-49 in regulation. My son scored 3 td’s that game, and Cameron De La Peña had something like 15 catches. Senterfitt rushed for another 2 scores, I believe. This was the EPIC game that filled Buc. In none of the other games did Miller pose any real threat to Vets save for maybe 2016 when Vets went 4-6 in its inaugural season. In 2020 when Miller went all the way to almost knock off Austin LBJ and Body earned his scholarship… Vets demolished Miller with a 60-something to 30iish score. 2017 and 2018 were the Soto vs. Body years. Miller talked all kinds of noise going into those games and got shut up. Don’t let the 2018 score fool you. That game was over by half/into the 3rd quarter and Vets just coasted to the win. Miller has been good for a long while… record-wise they might not show it… but they gave Calallen and PLC all kinds of heck in these same years Vets beat them. They beat Flour Bluff, once for sure and maybe twice in this same timeframe. I don’t think they’ve ever lost to the Victoria schools, and they absolutely DESTROYED Alice with a 70-something to weaksauce score. Don’t tell me I don’t know about the Miller/Vets rivalry. It’s one of my absolute favorites! Again you're stating some facts without any context. Other than the last 3 years, Miller was bad. I mean bottom dweller bad, so in the 6 seasons Vets played them, they had a win in Miller's best year WHEN THEY WERE A 4A-DIV 1 TEAM AND CAME OFF A LOSS TO A 4A DIV 2 TEAM THE WEEK BEFORE.. Go ahead and hang your hat on beating 4A teams and when Vets faces legit competition they get embarrassed. Damn Vets was lucky to escape a two point win against a 3-7 4A team last year.
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Post by sotex on Jun 26, 2022 22:16:58 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How about 14-0 going into week 15? How about a $500 bet that says Vets won't.
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Post by FB fan on Jun 26, 2022 22:18:48 GMT -6
What's funny is to read things like "6-1", "all time", "rivalry" referring to seven games.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 27, 2022 5:28:27 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How about 14-0 going into week 15? We dont do rankings in the playoffs, but honestly with R4 not playing anyone of note outside of the region, I wouldn't see anyone getting much respect statewide unless they win the state semifinal against R3.... The best non-district games are Miller playing a 4A school in El Campo and Vets playing a Canyon squad that was 4-6 last year and is picked middle of the pack in 12-5A D1...
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 6:29:28 GMT -6
I think things happened last season that otherwise would have brought Miller back down to earth now that Andrew Body isn't there anymore. Sinton was missing a bunch of starters for the Miller game including their best player and only lost by 4, Alice was blowing Miller out then went conservative in the second half and lost by 4, Beeville got down inside the 10 and ran out of time and lost by 4. If those 3 games go the other way Miller is just another 4-6 team with no defense. You still have to give Miller credit for pulling it out but my point is I think even though they have more weapons than they've had under Evans this coming season they still don't have Andrew Body and so I think they get brought back down to earth this season. I don't think Body gets enough credit. That dude is gonna be starting in the NFL someday. I'm sorry for yet again ruining the narrative that I'm here to kiss someone's a$$ but this is my honest opinion. Maybe I'll be wrong and Miller will tear it up because Like I said they do have a bunch of weapons but I don't know. I don't see them beating Vets or the 2 Victoria's and even Moody could give them a scare. I agree with you on Body I think Miller may be better than that though this year. If that QB gains some momentum and ups his game they have the weapons to be damn potent and very hard to stop.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 6:35:20 GMT -6
Don’t worry, Vets will make y’all right. Don’t forget that Vets is 6-1 all-time against Miller. And that 1 Miller win? It was a 50-43 double overtime game that Vets was literally about to go up 30-0 in just before half… when things got weird… and stayed weird. Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... YUP! CCVM is afraid to go out and play any legit 5a powerhouse or decent 6a team in non-district. It would taint that 10-0 record! Until they learn to do it, they will not do any better than they already have which is getting killed in the semis after winning a very weak 5a D1 R4 (if they win it again this year). Miller and Vela have a shot at beating them.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 6:37:25 GMT -6
Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How about 14-0 going into week 15? Cool...........and for what? Another 5 TD woodshed beatdown by the R3 rep? The answer is no....CCVM does not belong in ANY top 20 statewide poll until they actually prove they can play with those types of teams on the field and playing 4a teams in non-district doesn't help your cause either!
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Post by picodegallo on Jun 27, 2022 6:44:31 GMT -6
Don’t worry, Vets will make y’all right. Don’t forget that Vets is 6-1 all-time against Miller. And that 1 Miller win? It was a 50-43 double overtime game that Vets was literally about to go up 30-0 in just before half… when things got weird… and stayed weird. Vets may well win the district....I just honestly dont see them as the #11 team in 5A-D1 and I'm not sure their schedule even if they go 10-0 would be enough for me to believe.... How are the picks done at DCTF for the magazine? Consensus or someone individually making them?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 27, 2022 6:46:29 GMT -6
How about 14-0 going into week 15? We dont do rankings in the playoffs, but honestly with R4 not playing anyone of note outside of the region, I wouldn't see anyone getting much respect statewide unless they win the state semifinal against R3.... The best non-district games are Miller playing a 4A school in El Campo and Vets playing a Canyon squad that was 4-6 last year and is picked middle of the pack in 12-5A D1... BINGO
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Post by picodegallo on Jun 27, 2022 6:50:08 GMT -6
How about 14-0 going into week 15? We dont do rankings in the playoffs, but honestly with R4 not playing anyone of note outside of the region, I wouldn't see anyone getting much respect statewide unless they win the state semifinal against R3.... The best non-district games are Miller playing a 4A school in El Campo and Vets playing a Canyon squad that was 4-6 last year and is picked middle of the pack in 12-5A D1... Vets gets a shot at El Campo too.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 8:51:03 GMT -6
I think things happened last season that otherwise would have brought Miller back down to earth now that Andrew Body isn't there anymore. Sinton was missing a bunch of starters for the Miller game including their best player and only lost by 4, Alice was blowing Miller out then went conservative in the second half and lost by 4, Beeville got down inside the 10 and ran out of time and lost by 4. If those 3 games go the other way Miller is just another 4-6 team with no defense. You still have to give Miller credit for pulling it out but my point is I think even though they have more weapons than they've had under Evans this coming season they still don't have Andrew Body and so I think they get brought back down to earth this season. I don't think Body gets enough credit. That dude is gonna be starting in the NFL someday. I'm sorry for yet again ruining the narrative that I'm here to kiss someone's a$$ but this is my honest opinion. Maybe I'll be wrong and Miller will tear it up because Like I said they do have a bunch of weapons but I don't know. I don't see them beating Vets or the 2 Victoria's and even Moody could give them a scare. I agree with you on Body I think Miller may be better than that though this year. If that QB gains some momentum and ups his game they have the weapons to be damn potent and very hard to stop. Miller is very potent and hard to stop... they have been for years and they will most definitely be again this season. Their QB1 has developed nicely and will light up stat sheets and scoreboards all season. Look for Miller to average 45 a game this season, at a minimum. They will score 60+ at least 5 times, including the playoffs. Moody and the Victoria schools have no shot at beating Miller.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jun 27, 2022 8:57:10 GMT -6
What's funny is to read things like "6-1", "all time", "rivalry" referring to seven games. Vets is a 6 year old school starting year 7 (varsity football seasons, the school itself opened in 2015 with no varsity I believe). All-time is all-time... not sure how you'd prefer I say it. And the Vets/Miller rivalry is red hot most seasons... not sure anyone would say otherwise? The numbers are small because the school age is small. But there is most definitely history already written. Heck, even FB and Vets have a storied history already.
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