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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 19:48:40 GMT -6
Weird how the kids were totally cool w/playing at AT&T but a bunch of anonymous folks on message boards are upset about it Any kid is gonna love the experience of playing at Cowboys Stadium. They'd also love to party at the Playboy Mansion afterwards... that doesn't make it right. I appreciate your insightful commentary
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Post by CC_Varmints on Jul 27, 2019 20:09:41 GMT -6
That’s exactly what I thought BB would say. I think all the boys felt the same way. It was truly an experience. Weird how the kids were totally cool w/playing at AT&T but a bunch of anonymous folks on message boards are upset about it Weird how I bet those same young men would rather win a State Championship anywhere over just playing at Cowboys Stadium. Especially the non-DFW area teams. The stats clearly show home field advantage for DFW area teams at Cowboys Stadium. Same goes for 2015 at NRG for Houston area teams. No stats for San Antonio, since the UIL has yet to play there. Why not even that playing field/chances to the Houston and San Antonio areas? Give the Houston and San Antonio area teams that extra possibility.
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Post by calcatgirl on Jul 27, 2019 20:18:47 GMT -6
Weird how the kids were totally cool w/playing at AT&T but a bunch of anonymous folks on message boards are upset about it Weird how I bet those same young men would rather win a State Championship anywhere over just playing at Cowboys Stadium. Especially the non-DFW area teams. The stats clearly show home field advantage for DFW area teams at Cowboys Stadium. Same goes for 2015 at NRG for Houston area teams. No stats for San Antonio, since the UIL has yet to play there. Why not even that playing field/chances to the Houston and San Antonio areas? Give the Houston and San Antonio area teams that extra possibility. San Antonio Alamodome has hosted state championships but I don’t think it was all classifications like it is now. I remember attending at least 3 games in one day. Southlake Carroll played in a championship game when Riley Dodge was QB. Also saw Alamo Heights beat Copperas Cove when RG III was QB at Cove. I think it’s truly a matter of the lack of locker rooms.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 20:41:43 GMT -6
Weird how the kids were totally cool w/playing at AT&T but a bunch of anonymous folks on message boards are upset about it Weird how I bet those same young men would rather win a State Championship anywhere over just playing at Cowboys Stadium. Especially the non-DFW area teams. The stats clearly show home field advantage for DFW area teams at Cowboys Stadium. Same goes for 2015 at NRG for Houston area teams. No stats for San Antonio, since the UIL has yet to play there. Why not even that playing field/chances to the Houston and San Antonio areas? Give the Houston and San Antonio area teams that extra possibility. A repeat of a a previous post: As for the rotation, I've been told off the record if the Alamodome took care of the locker room situation they'd almost certainly be given a chance to host. I personally would enjoy it, its a smaller and more intimate environment, I like the open air pressbox and I get to accumulate hotel and airline points so it's a win/win for me, but San Antonio has to take some steps to get that done, they can easily force the UIL's hand but right now they dont have much to stand on. If they don't put those extra lockers rooms in then I believe status quo will prevail. I dont believe NRG will get a shot anytime soon, 1) I think they left a bad taste in the UIL's mouth when they basically price gouged the rental fee in 2015. Houston knew the UIL had no other option, so they jacked their costs up. 2) The 1A schools have zero desire to go to Houston and have expressed that in the six man committees etc. They didnt go in 2015 and unless there's a major shift in statewide demographics and where the 1A schools are located I dont anticipate that position changing much.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 20:53:40 GMT -6
Weird how I bet those same young men would rather win a State Championship anywhere over just playing at Cowboys Stadium. Especially the non-DFW area teams. The stats clearly show home field advantage for DFW area teams at Cowboys Stadium. Same goes for 2015 at NRG for Houston area teams. No stats for San Antonio, since the UIL has yet to play there. Why not even that playing field/chances to the Houston and San Antonio areas? Give the Houston and San Antonio area teams that extra possibility. San Antonio Alamodome has hosted state championships but I don’t think it was all classifications like it is now. I remember attending at least 3 games in one day. Southlake Carroll played in a championship game when Riley Dodge was QB. Also saw Alamo Heights beat Copperas Cove when RG III was QB at Cove. I think it’s truly a matter of the lack of locker rooms. Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio...
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Post by rtxc1 on Jul 27, 2019 20:54:36 GMT -6
Weird how I bet those same young men would rather win a State Championship anywhere over just playing at Cowboys Stadium. Especially the non-DFW area teams. The stats clearly show home field advantage for DFW area teams at Cowboys Stadium. Same goes for 2015 at NRG for Houston area teams. No stats for San Antonio, since the UIL has yet to play there. Why not even that playing field/chances to the Houston and San Antonio areas? Give the Houston and San Antonio area teams that extra possibility. A repeat of a a previous post: As for the rotation, I've been told off the record if the Alamodome took care of the locker room situation they'd almost certainly be given a chance to host. I personally would enjoy it, its a smaller and more intimate environment, I like the open air pressbox and I get to accumulate hotel and airline points so it's a win/win for me, but San Antonio has to take some steps to get that done, they can easily force the UIL's hand but right now they dont have much to stand on. If they don't put those extra lockers rooms in then I believe status quo will prevail. I dont believe NRG will get a shot anytime soon, 1) I think they left a bad taste in the UIL's mouth when they basically price gouged the rental fee in 2015. Houston knew the UIL had no other option, so they jacked their costs up. 2) The 1A schools have zero desire to go to Houston and have expressed that in the six man committees etc. They didnt go in 2015 and unless there's a major shift in statewide demographics and where the 1A schools are located I dont anticipate that position changing much. Seems like the 1A schools could afford increased travel much more than others, though it wouldn’t be good for the families involved. Not sure how that would effect the gate, but at least UIL helps with travel. If San Antonio gets its locker rooms fixed and joins the mix, one would think there would then be pressure for Houston to be involved as well.
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Post by rtxc1 on Jul 27, 2019 20:56:17 GMT -6
Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio... Stoking the fire...
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Post by calcatgirl on Jul 27, 2019 21:02:00 GMT -6
Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio... Alamo Heights played Copperas Cove for the championship at the Alamodome in 2006. I think that was the year we saw 3 championship games there.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 27, 2019 21:04:23 GMT -6
So. Players preferences don't matter, travel times don't matter, coaches preference polls don't matter, far better financial deal for use of stadium doesn't matter.....smh
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 21:08:03 GMT -6
Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio... Alamo Heights played Copperas Cove for the championship at the Alamodome in 2006. I think that was the year we saw 3 championship games there. Heights and Cove was the week before the 5A games, I remember being there for that one...back then 4A D-1 title games were played a week early..Cy Falls played SA MacArthur in the semis before the Cove-Heights game...
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Post by calcatgirl on Jul 27, 2019 21:10:30 GMT -6
Alamo Heights played Copperas Cove for the championship at the Alamodome in 2006. I think that was the year we saw 3 championship games there. Heights and Cove was the week before the 5A games, I remember being there for that one...back then 4A D-1 title games were played a week early..Cy Falls played SA MacArthur in the semis before the Cove-Heights game... Gotcha - I remember being there for the game but it all blurs together after awhile.
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Post by 87cub on Jul 28, 2019 18:29:59 GMT -6
My godson coached at Lone Star in 2015 when they played Cedar Park in the 5A championship at Reliant and I attended that game. Then it was moved back to ATT the next year when Calallen played Aledo. No comparison on the excitement in the atmosphere. I can see why it was moved back to Arlington. I completely agree with you. I live in the Houston area, and was thrilled to find out the games would be at NRG that year. My brother and I went to the games, and besides the fact that the attendance was down, the presentation and experience was not nearly as entertaining and exciting as it is at AT&T. We would much rather make the trip up north to spend a couple of days there than sit in that dry atmosphere at NRG. Maybe with a little more notice and effort it would be better but I don’t see it.
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Post by picodegallo on Jul 28, 2019 19:12:41 GMT -6
Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio... Were these sites the poor souls from the DFW area had to venture south of Hillsboro predetermined by the UIL? Or was it a flip of the coin for a home/neutral? If so, then it's irrelevant to the current issue. You see, it's this type of statement that gets some of you from the DFW metroplex on the crap lists. This and the "it should be held in the DFW area because attendance sucks elsewhere." Which I stand by my statement the game receipts are pennies or nickles in the whole revenue stream when all is said and done. I would still like to see what Fox is paying the UIL for the broadcasts rights plus if it's on the condition it's held at AT&T Stadium. When we see statements like that which are countered by in other parts of the state by folks with a vested interest in the championships such as having a kid on the team or involved in band, cheer, etc., you all just say suck it up and live with it. Do any of you know a two day trip to the DFW area around Christmas can cost a small fortune? It might be chump change for people who live in Highland Park or Allen, but for someone from Refugio it's a good chunk of their income. Yea and in 2017 I can guarantee you after what Harvey did that to area, it was very much a strain on some of those budgets. True if we were in a rotation system back then, it could have been DFW's area turn anyway. But by chance if it had been in SA or Houston, it would have been a simple day trip for most of their fans . Even during the normal times, it's a strain on their budgets. This is in addition to the ridiculous idea to have the lower class games on Wednesday and Thursday because your asking some folks who are working class to possibly either miss some of their paycheck or stay home and watch which I bet a number have to do the later. They are not business owners or THE Boss to where they can clear their work week with a snap of their fingers unlike some of those who live in the more wealthy zip codes. That's not playing on class envy or anything, it's just a fact. I would love to see one of you guys from the sports media approach the UIL about some of the perceptions out there about how they slant this thing to favor one part of the state now on a regular basis. Just because it's not the chatter of the message boards or not showing up on a poll with no standard polling methods attached to it doesn't mean it's not talked about by us who are the unwashed in football flyover country. Football is the one unique sport in all the championships were things like rest, recovery and prep time are an important part of the game. When one team has a full four or five days to prepare and sleep in their own quarters and the other has three to do so and has to sleep in unfamiliar quarters, it has an effect. These are not college or pro teams where long distance road trips are half the season. Plus they are playing teams who in effect make AT&T their alternative home stadium (see Highland Park for one example) with multiple appearances either during the regular season or playoffs which is also a big part of the home field thing being a big advantage for the DFW area powers who usually end up in the state title games. At the very least the UIL should not allow AT&T to be used as a playoff venue during the duration if they are trying to make the back yard of these teams who get to take a fifteen minute bus ride as neutral as possible. Again, most of these kids have never played in a stadium which seats more that 15k to 20k much less one that seats 90k. Familiarity with surroundings matters. This should go for any venue being used for the state championships including NRG or the Alamodome.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 28, 2019 19:30:51 GMT -6
Alamodome was the sight for 3 out of 4 of the old 5A single site title games.... 2006: Alamodome Cedar Hill 51, Cypress Falls 17 Southlake Carroll 43, Austin Westlake 29 2007: Alamodome Katy 28, Pflugerville 7 Euless Trinity 13, Converse Judson 10 2008: NRG Katy 17, Wylie 3 Allen 21, Fort Bend Hightower 14 2009: Alamodome Abilene 28 Katy 17 Euless Trinity 41, Austin Westlake 38 Weird how the DFW teams did ok in those road games....I wonder if the message boards were lit up with Carroll and Trinity fans upset about having to go to San Antonio... Were these sites the poor souls from the DFW area had to venture south of Hillsboro predetermined by the UIL? Or was it a flip of the coin for a home/neutral? If so, then it's irrelevant to the current issue. You see, it's this type of statement that gets some of you from the DFW metroplex on the crap lists. This and the "it should be held in the DFW area because attendance sucks elsewhere." Which I stand by my statement the game receipts are pennies or n nickles in the whole revenue stream when all is said and done. I still like to see what Fox is paying the UIL for the broadcasts rights plus if it's on the condition it's held at AT&T Stadium. When we see statements like that which are countered by in other parts of the state by folks with a vested interest in the championships such as having a kid on the team or involved in band, cheer, etc., you all just say suck it up and live with it. Do any of you know a two day trip to the DFW area around Christmas can cost a small fortune? It might be chump change for people who live in Highland Park or Allen, but for someone from Refugio it's a good chunk of their income. Yea and in 2017 I can guarantee you after what Harvey did that to area, it was very much a strain on some of those budgets. True if we were in a rotation system back then, it could have been DFW's area turn anyway. But by chance if it had been in SA or Houston, it would have been a simple day trip for most of their fans . Even during the normal times, it's a strain on their budgets. This is in addition to the ridiculous idea to have the lower class games on Wednesday and Thursday because your asking some folks who are working class to possibly either miss some of their paycheck or stay home and watch which I bet a number have to do the later. They are not business owners or THE Boss to where they can clear their work week with a snap of their fingers unlike some of those who live in the more wealthy zip codes. That's not playing on class envy or anything, it's just a fact. I would love to see one of you guys from the sports media approach the UIL about some of the perceptions out there about how they slant this thing to favor one part of the state now on a regular basis. Just because it's not the chatter of the message boards or not showing up on a poll with no standard polling methods attached to it doesn't mean it's not talked about by us who are the unwashed in football flyover country. Football is the one unique sport in all the championships were things like rest, recovery and prep time are an important part of the game. When one team has a full four or five days to prepare and sleep in their own quarters and the other has three to do so and has to sleep in unfamiliar quarters, it has an effect. These are not college or pro teams where long distance road trips are half the season. Plus they are playing teams who in effect make AT&T their alternative home stadium (see Highland Park for one example) with multiple appearances either during the regular season or playoffs which is also a big part of the home field thing being a big advantage for the DFW area powers who usually end up in the state title games. At the very least the UIL should not allow AT&T to be used as a playoff venue during the duration if they are trying to make the back yard of these teams who get to take a fifteen minute bus ride as neutral as possible. Again, most of these kids have never played in a stadium which seats more that 15k to 20k much less one that seats 90k. Familiarity with surroundings matters. Actually these game locations were pre-determined by the UIL just like it is now, the only difference is it was the state's largest classification only. I dont recall too much complaining from the Trinity, Allen, Southlake or Wylie folks on message boards I was on at the time. I dont think the coaches cared much either. As for the UIL, I honestly dont believe they'll make any changes to the system as is unless the coaches and schools rise up and complain. I've in the past asked about a rotation in press conferences and the usual answer is they review the potential venues at the end of each contract. As for the lower classes, the majority of the schools want to play at the same venues as the 6A/5A schools and are ok with the trade-off playing Wed/Thur....when the UIL had the smaller classes at the other venue in 2010, the 3A and 2A schools hated it....there was discussion in THSCA regional meetings a couple years back about playing 2A and 3A at the Ford Center on Fri and Sat and it was so overwhelmingly negative they never even took it for a vote. Unless the small schools en masse go to the UIL and say "we dont want to play on Wed/Thur" or all the schools in Region 3 and Region 4 band together and demand a rotation its not going to change.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 28, 2019 19:37:11 GMT -6
Were these sites the poor souls from the DFW area had to venture south of Hillsboro predetermined by the UIL? Or was it a flip of the coin for a home/neutral? If so, then it's irrelevant to the current issue. You see, it's this type of statement that gets some of you from the DFW metroplex on the crap lists. This and the "it should be held in the DFW area because attendance sucks elsewhere." Which I stand by my statement the game receipts are pennies or n nickles in the whole revenue stream when all is said and done. I still like to see what Fox is paying the UIL for the broadcasts rights plus if it's on the condition it's held at AT&T Stadium. When we see statements like that which are countered by in other parts of the state by folks with a vested interest in the championships such as having a kid on the team or involved in band, cheer, etc., you all just say suck it up and live with it. Do any of you know a two day trip to the DFW area around Christmas can cost a small fortune? It might be chump change for people who live in Highland Park or Allen, but for someone from Refugio it's a good chunk of their income. Yea and in 2017 I can guarantee you after what Harvey did that to area, it was very much a strain on some of those budgets. True if we were in a rotation system back then, it could have been DFW's area turn anyway. But by chance if it had been in SA or Houston, it would have been a simple day trip for most of their fans . Even during the normal times, it's a strain on their budgets. This is in addition to the ridiculous idea to have the lower class games on Wednesday and Thursday because your asking some folks who are working class to possibly either miss some of their paycheck or stay home and watch which I bet a number have to do the later. They are not business owners or THE Boss to where they can clear their work week with a snap of their fingers unlike some of those who live in the more wealthy zip codes. That's not playing on class envy or anything, it's just a fact. I would love to see one of you guys from the sports media approach the UIL about some of the perceptions out there about how they slant this thing to favor one part of the state now on a regular basis. Just because it's not the chatter of the message boards or not showing up on a poll with no standard polling methods attached to it doesn't mean it's not talked about by us who are the unwashed in football flyover country. Football is the one unique sport in all the championships were things like rest, recovery and prep time are an important part of the game. When one team has a full four or five days to prepare and sleep in their own quarters and the other has three to do so and has to sleep in unfamiliar quarters, it has an effect. These are not college or pro teams where long distance road trips are half the season. Plus they are playing teams who in effect make AT&T their alternative home stadium (see Highland Park for one example) with multiple appearances either during the regular season or playoffs which is also a big part of the home field thing being a big advantage for the DFW area powers who usually end up in the state title games. At the very least the UIL should not allow AT&T to be used as a playoff venue during the duration if they are trying to make the back yard of these teams who get to take a fifteen minute bus ride as neutral as possible. Again, most of these kids have never played in a stadium which seats more that 15k to 20k much less one that seats 90k. Familiarity with surroundings matters. Actually these game locations were pre-determined by the UIL just like it is now, the only difference is it was the state's largest classification only. I dont recall too much complaining from the Trinity, Allen, Southlake or Wylie folks on message boards I was on at the time. I dont think the coaches cared much either. As for the UIL, I honestly dont believe they'll make any changes to the system as is unless the coaches and schools rise up and complain. I've in the past asked about a rotation in press conferences and the usual answer is they review the potential venues at the end of each contract. As for the lower classes, the majority of the schools want to play at the same venues as the 6A/5A schools and are ok with the trade-off playing Wed/Thur....when the UIL had the smaller classes at the other venue in 2010, the 3A and 2A schools hated it....there was discussion in THSCA regional meetings a couple years back about playing 2A and 3A at the Ford Center on Fri and Sat and it was so overwhelmingly negative they never even took it for a vote. Unless the small schools en masse go to the UIL and say "we dont want to play on Wed/Thur" or all the schools in Region 3 and Region 4 band together and demand a rotation its not going to change. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember something about the region 3 and 4 coaches/ schools being happy with the current situation being posted. Survey?
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