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Post by wildcat1996 on Jul 27, 2019 10:01:41 GMT -6
At the end of the day someone is going to travel and some will be playing at home basically. So why don't we ask the UIL to do something they can do vs something they can't. Let's start with the cant. They can't make everyone happy . Heck look at us on here going back and forth and still coming up with the same as when we started. Now let's go to what I think they can fix and get right. The UIL has what purpose ? To make the game as fair as possible right. Why don't they pay for the transportation of the teams going farther than let's say 100 miles to play. Also have the teams arrive a day before they play the championship game and pay for the rooms they stay in. After all the money they get is because of the teams and fans coming out and following the teams. If this organization or governing body was made to keep things fair then put the money back into what the primary goal and purpose was. Just an idea what do I know .
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 10:06:31 GMT -6
The UIL football advisory committee is made up of coaches (THSCA Regional Directors) and the UIL (usually Dr Elza, Coach Polk and Coach Martinez) are involved for football; they take the rule recommendations/changes which usually are a result of THSCA regional meetings with the coaches. I believe they are matters of public record, much like DEC and SEC meetings etc. They review all rules and such for football, for example the modification of the targeting rules and some of the blind side blocking rules were a result of this years meetings. State title game rotations have been brought up in past meetings and in this year's meetings hosting first round playoff games for 4A and below schools was discussed, so playoff locations is always up for discussion in these meetings.
Since 2011 there hasn't been a serious complaint about the single site state title system in football (and these meetings are held twice a year). I find it curious if it was that much of a hot button issue with the coaches themselves, why has it never been brought up in the advisory committee?
As for the rotation, I've been told off the record if the Alamodome took care of the locker room situation they'd almost certainly be given a chance to host. I personally would enjoy it, its a smaller and more intimate environment, I like the open air pressbox and I get to accumulate hotel and airline points so it's a win/win for me, but San Antonio has to take some steps to get that done, they can easily force the UIL's hand but right now they dont have much to stand on. If they don't put those extra lockers rooms in then I believe status quo will prevail.
I dont believe NRG will get a shot anytime soon, 1) I think they left a bad taste in the UIL's mouth when they basically price gouged the rental fee in 2015. Houston knew the UIL had no other option, so they jacked their costs up. 2) The 1A schools have zero desire to go to Houston and have expressed that in the six man committees etc. They didnt go in 2015 and unless there's a major shift in statewide demographics and where the 1A schools are located I dont anticipate that position changing much.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 10:07:41 GMT -6
First of all I have 100% Confidence this idea has 0% of happening. So before the name calling starts i have already acknowledged that. Here goes. We have 12 State Championships every year. Having all 12 in 4 days at 1 location has been a logistical nightmare thus far. So. Divide and conquer. Have 4 games at Dallas, let's say 6A and 5A. 4 at San Antonio, 4A, 3A. And 4 at Houston 2A,1A. Then every year you rotate them. This way the locker rooms, logistics and parking are eased up on a one location. And you can mix the Calssifications however you want. Some teams will get a home field advantage. But at least it wont be the same ones every year. I'm interested in the logisitcal nightmare part as well....what has given you that impression?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:09:59 GMT -6
First of all I have 100% Confidence this idea has 0% of happening. So before the name calling starts i have already acknowledged that. Here goes. We have 12 State Championships every year. Having all 12 in 4 days at 1 location has been a logistical nightmare thus far. So. Divide and conquer. Have 4 games at Dallas, let's say 6A and 5A. 4 at San Antonio, 4A, 3A. And 4 at Houston 2A,1A. Then every year you rotate them. This way the locker rooms, logistics and parking are eased up on a one location. And you can mix the Calssifications however you want. Some teams will get a home field advantage. But at least it wont be the same ones every year. My first question is how do you know having state at one location has been a "logistical nightmare"? Second you are creating more work for more venues and more cost. Finally, are you playing all those games at the game time? How did I know you'd be the first one to *****. It's been a nightmare because if you look at the posted start times vs when the games actually started it has almost always added up to the last game starting over an hour later. I understand you wanting to be greedy and keeping all the money in DFW. That's what it's really all about anyway. MONEY. All the venues will make money as well. Oh and go back and read the very first 2 sentences.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 10:11:17 GMT -6
At the end of the day someone is going to travel and some will be playing at home basically. So why don't we ask the UIL to do something they can do vs something they can't. Let's start with the cant. They can't make everyone happy . Heck look at us on here going back and forth and still coming up with the same as when we started. Now let's go to what I think they can fix and get right. The UIL has what purpose ? To make the game as fair as possible right. Why don't they pay for the transportation of the teams going farther than let's say 100 miles to play. Also have the teams arrive a day before they play the championship game and pay for the rooms they stay in. After all the money they get is because of the teams and fans coming out and following the teams. If this organization or governing body was made to keep things fair then put the money back into what the primary goal and purpose was. Just an idea what do I know . I know the UIL does reimburse schools for the mileage out of the general fund, so the further you travel the more you get obviously. Pretty much everyone arrives a day early for the title games, even the 1A schools, but I dont believe the UIL reimburses schools for that. In a weird note, Waco LaVega (located about 100 miles away) came a day early and got rooms, but North Shore didnt....I know when my alma mater played a state title game in San Antonio in 2002 they didnt get rooms either and San Antonio is a 5 hour drive....
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 10:15:13 GMT -6
My first question is how do you know having state at one location has been a "logistical nightmare"? Second you are creating more work for more venues and more cost. Finally, are you playing all those games at the game time? How did I know you'd be the first one to *****. It's been a nightmare because if you look at the posted start times vs when the games actually started it has almost always added up to the last game starting over an hour later. I understand you wanting to be greedy and keeping all the money in DFW. That's what it's really all about anyway. MONEY. All the venues will make money as well. Oh and go back and read the very first 2 sentences. I think since the UIL removed the 4 games on Thursday the late start times has gotten better...it's a weird dance the UIL has to play to allow the teams time to celebrate while also giving the teams playing the next game 45 minutes to warm up. There's no doubt there were some LONG Thursday's when there were four games...that Waskom-Franklin game in Houston didnt kickoff til nearly 10pm....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:24:43 GMT -6
My first question is how do you know having state at one location has been a "logistical nightmare"? Second you are creating more work for more venues and more cost. Finally, are you playing all those games at the game time? How did I know you'd be the first one to *****. It's been a nightmare because if you look at the posted start times vs when the games actually started it has almost always added up to the last game starting over an hour later. I understand you wanting to be greedy and keeping all the money in DFW. That's what it's really all about anyway. MONEY. All the venues will make money as well. Oh and go back and read the very first 2 sentences. Oh dont worry I read the first two sentences. Thats how I was taught. Start at the beginning. I know you said your idea sucked and wont happen but it doesnt mean we cant acknowledge how bad of an idea it really is. And this whole time I've been considering for the entire state! Yall are the ones complaining! Not me! Stepp has been giving yall reasons for all your complaints and yall dont listen!!
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Post by wildcat1996 on Jul 27, 2019 10:26:50 GMT -6
At the end of the day someone is going to travel and some will be playing at home basically. So why don't we ask the UIL to do something they can do vs something they can't. Let's start with the cant. They can't make everyone happy . Heck look at us on here going back and forth and still coming up with the same as when we started. Now let's go to what I think they can fix and get right. The UIL has what purpose ? To make the game as fair as possible right. Why don't they pay for the transportation of the teams going farther than let's say 100 miles to play. Also have the teams arrive a day before they play the championship game and pay for the rooms they stay in. After all the money they get is because of the teams and fans coming out and following the teams. If this organization or governing body was made to keep things fair then put the money back into what the primary goal and purpose was. Just an idea what do I know . I know the UIL does reimburse schools for the mileage out of the general fund, so the further you travel the more you get obviously. Pretty much everyone arrives a day early for the title games, even the 1A schools, but I dont believe the UIL reimburses schools for that. In a weird note, Waco LaVega (located about 100 miles away) came a day early and got rooms, but North Shore didnt....I know when my alma mater played a state title game in San Antonio in 2002 they didnt get rooms either and San Antonio is a 5 hour drive.... Well that's good that they get reimbursement and as long as they have the option to make a round trip or stay is fine. I have a question non football related but you probably can answer this one. Does the school pay for state championship rings in all sports or is that something that is varies ?
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Post by JohnGalt on Jul 27, 2019 10:34:46 GMT -6
I know the UIL does reimburse schools for the mileage out of the general fund, so the further you travel the more you get obviously. Pretty much everyone arrives a day early for the title games, even the 1A schools, but I dont believe the UIL reimburses schools for that. In a weird note, Waco LaVega (located about 100 miles away) came a day early and got rooms, but North Shore didnt....I know when my alma mater played a state title game in San Antonio in 2002 they didnt get rooms either and San Antonio is a 5 hour drive.... Well that's good that they get reimbursement and as long as they have the option to make a round trip or stay is fine. I have a question non football related but you probably can answer this one. Does the school pay for state championship rings in all sports or is that something that is varies ? My brother got one in baseball about 20 years ago, so things might have changed since then. But the Booster Club put money towards the rings, then there were donations on top of that, and the players had to pay for the rest, which wasn’t much at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:43:06 GMT -6
First of all I have 100% Confidence this idea has 0% of happening. So before the name calling starts i have already acknowledged that. Here goes. We have 12 State Championships every year. Having all 12 in 4 days at 1 location has been a logistical nightmare thus far. So. Divide and conquer. Have 4 games at Dallas, let's say 6A and 5A. 4 at San Antonio, 4A, 3A. And 4 at Houston 2A,1A. Then every year you rotate them. This way the locker rooms, logistics and parking are eased up on a one location. And you can mix the Calssifications however you want. Some teams will get a home field advantage. But at least it wont be the same ones every year. My first question is how do you know having state at one location has been a "logistical nightmare"? Second you are creating more work for more venues and more cost. Finally, are you playing all those games at the game time? More cost to who? Fox? UIL? Then too bad for them because these games should be about the teams and communities involved not what Fox prefers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:46:13 GMT -6
First of all I have 100% Confidence this idea has 0% of happening. So before the name calling starts i have already acknowledged that. Here goes. We have 12 State Championships every year. Having all 12 in 4 days at 1 location has been a logistical nightmare thus far. So. Divide and conquer. Have 4 games at Dallas, let's say 6A and 5A. 4 at San Antonio, 4A, 3A. And 4 at Houston 2A,1A. Then every year you rotate them. This way the locker rooms, logistics and parking are eased up on a one location. And you can mix the Calssifications however you want. Some teams will get a home field advantage. But at least it wont be the same ones every year. I'm interested in the logisitcal nightmare part as well....what has given you that impression? Because it's stupid as F for a team to play on a Wednesday. And it's stupid as F for one team to travel 8 hours while the other travels 15 minutes. You are getting answers you just aren't liking them because they don't fall in line with the puppet masters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:57:48 GMT -6
I'm interested in the logisitcal nightmare part as well....what has given you that impression? Because it's stupid as F for a team to play on a Wednesday. And it's stupid as F for one team to travel 8 hours while the other travels 15 minutes. You are getting answers you just aren't liking them because they don't fall in line with the puppet masters. If you had final say would you make it like it use to be? Having the title games all over instead of one location.
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Post by calcatgirl on Jul 27, 2019 11:32:00 GMT -6
I know the UIL does reimburse schools for the mileage out of the general fund, so the further you travel the more you get obviously. Pretty much everyone arrives a day early for the title games, even the 1A schools, but I dont believe the UIL reimburses schools for that. In a weird note, Waco LaVega (located about 100 miles away) came a day early and got rooms, but North Shore didnt....I know when my alma mater played a state title game in San Antonio in 2002 they didnt get rooms either and San Antonio is a 5 hour drive.... Well that's good that they get reimbursement and as long as they have the option to make a round trip or stay is fine. I have a question non football related but you probably can answer this one. Does the school pay for state championship rings in all sports or is that something that is varies ? According to Coach Danaher - athletes in all sports must purchase their rings because the UIL only allows schools to give an athlete one major award in their high school career and that’s typically the letterman jacket. He also said there is a dollar cap on the value of the award. I guess some schools could require the athlete to purchase their own jacket and apply that amount to the ring but that could get very sticky.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 27, 2019 11:34:23 GMT -6
I'm interested in the logisitcal nightmare part as well....what has given you that impression? Because it's stupid as F for a team to play on a Wednesday. And it's stupid as F for one team to travel 8 hours while the other travels 15 minutes. You are getting answers you just aren't liking them because they don't fall in line with the puppet masters. Cochino, my friend, your rant about homefield distances didnt have anything to do with Hound's commentary on the logistical nightmare he referred to. Hound made a valid point about the game start times, which I think the powers that be recognized after 2015. It's not stupid for the 2A schools to play Wednesday according to the schools impacted, they were consulted prior to the change and were ok with it because they want to play at the same spots as everyone else. Same with the 1A schools, so if they are fine with it isn't that all that matters?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 12:09:48 GMT -6
How did I know you'd be the first one to *****. It's been a nightmare because if you look at the posted start times vs when the games actually started it has almost always added up to the last game starting over an hour later. I understand you wanting to be greedy and keeping all the money in DFW. That's what it's really all about anyway. MONEY. All the venues will make money as well. Oh and go back and read the very first 2 sentences. Oh dont worry I read the first two sentences. Thats how I was taught. Start at the beginning. I know you said your idea sucked and wont happen but it doesnt mean we cant acknowledge how bad of an idea it really is. And this whole time I've been considering for the entire state! Yall are the ones complaining! Not me! Stepp has been giving yall reasons for all your complaints and yall dont listen!! Please show me 1 post on this thread where I complained. I merely suggested another idea. And pre acknowledged it would not be given a chance with 100% certainty. Thank you for proving me right.
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