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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 8:01:58 GMT -6
maybe they could go to a very experienced Head coach at another program and find a young assistant coach that the veteran coach believes in as a potential lock HC, instead of taking an experienced coach with an unproven record. Not having the AD duties could be a plus for a new HC that's wanting to establish himself.
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Post by cochino on Sept 3, 2013 9:53:44 GMT -6
I don't want to get too personal here but Gonzalez lives down my street, and I haven't seen any FOR SALE signs yet. Ha! In all seriousness, like most of my neighbors he tends to stay to himself. He seems like a good guy and good family man. However, I don't have faith in him as a coach. His most successful stint at a coach came when he had Bell at QB and his OC was is now the HC at Ray(his name escapes me). Take away those two guys and he hasn't any success. Add to the fact that his buddy is the AD and what you get is a blow out coming from the hands of a 3A football team. I understand its one game, there is nothing from last year to make you think things will be different this year. For the kids sake, I hope things do get better soon, but I just don't see it. Just my opinion, as long as the AD and HC jobs are separate, they will never get a quality coach to apply. But he DID have Bell and that OC. That's a stupid argument. Would you not hire Cedar Parks head coach to replace Gonzales and say "well he only won at CP because he had this player or that player"?
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Post by sailorsam11 on Sept 3, 2013 13:01:26 GMT -6
I don't want to get too personal here but Gonzalez lives down my street, and I haven't seen any FOR SALE signs yet. Ha! In all seriousness, like most of my neighbors he tends to stay to himself. He seems like a good guy and good family man. However, I don't have faith in him as a coach. His most successful stint at a coach came when he had Bell at QB and his OC was is now the HC at Ray(his name escapes me). Take away those two guys and he hasn't any success. Add to the fact that his buddy is the AD and what you get is a blow out coming from the hands of a 3A football team. I understand its one game, there is nothing from last year to make you think things will be different this year. For the kids sake, I hope things do get better soon, but I just don't see it. Just my opinion, as long as the AD and HC jobs are separate, they will never get a quality coach to apply. But he DID have Bell and that OC. That's a stupid argument. Would you not hire Cedar Parks head coach to replace Gonzales and say "well he only won at CP because he had this player or that player"? The only one that is arguing is you. You can't argue a fact. For example: When did Gonzalez field a playoff team when Simper wasn't his OC and Bell was not his QB? Answer, never. And, he failed to win more than 5 games while in Cypress. He might be the best coach in the world, but his record doesn't show it. Bill Parcells had a famous quote, "you are what your record says you are, and his record is not all that great. You bring up Davis and his hiring in Alice. If you remember, that hire ruffled a few feathers as well. "He didn't win any games at the Colony..blah blah blah" "Yeah he took Sinton to state that that 3A, blah blah blah" So it was Davis' turn to shut those nay sayers up. And guess what? He did. Gonzalez hasn't done anything to prove anyone wrong. You know, there is a way you can express your opinion without criticizing anyone or using words like stupid. Its called using effective communication. Its one of the things I teach to 8th grade at risk youth. If you want, I could sign you up.
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Post by cochino on Sept 3, 2013 13:06:43 GMT -6
But he DID have Bell and that OC. That's a stupid argument. Would you not hire Cedar Parks head coach to replace Gonzales and say "well he only won at CP because he had this player or that player"? The only one that is arguing is you. You can't argue a fact. For example: When did Gonzalez field a playoff team when Simper wasn't his OC and Bell was not his QB? Answer, never. And, he failed to win more than 5 games while in Cypress. He might be the best coach in the world, but his record doesn't show it. Bill Parcells had a famous quote, "you are what your record says you are, and his record is not all that great. You bring up Davis and his hiring in Alice. If you remember, that hire ruffled a few feathers as well. "He didn't win any games at the Colony..blah blah blah" "Yeah he took Sinton to state that that 3A, blah blah blah" So it was Davis' turn to shut those nay sayers up. And guess what? He did. Gonzalez hasn't done anything to prove anyone wrong. You know, there is a way you can express your opinion without criticizing anyone or using words like stupid. Its called using effective communication. Its one of the things I teach to 8th grade at risk youth. If you want, I could sign you up. You're missing my point. You can't say Gonzales only won at Ray because he had great players unless youre gonna use that same logic on every other teams coach that has great players. Its stupid. I'm not even trying to say Gonzales is a great coach. I just have a problem with using the excuse that he only won at Ray because of the players unless you're gonna use that same logic with every other coach at a winning school.
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Post by sailorsam11 on Sept 3, 2013 13:18:27 GMT -6
Would you say Whatley was a good coach? I think I know what your answer would be. You know what made him a good coach? He took ordinary guys and turned them into superstars on that football field. He took a bunch of 5'9, 5'10 guys and made them believe they were 6'4. He coached to his teams strengths and out coached other coaches. Gonzalez has 6'4 players and doesn't utilize that. Yes, yes...the coach isn't the one catching or blocking. But at some point, the player has to have the "want to", the "ganas" to please his coach. The fact that he had a star QB right under his nose and he didn't use him until week 8??? That's a red flag right there.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Sept 3, 2013 13:27:47 GMT -6
But he DID have Bell and that OC. That's a stupid argument. Would you not hire Cedar Parks head coach to replace Gonzales and say "well he only won at CP because he had this player or that player"? The only one that is arguing is you. You can't argue a fact. For example: When did Gonzalez field a playoff team when Simper wasn't his OC and Bell was not his QB? Answer, never. And, he failed to win more than 5 games while in Cypress. He might be the best coach in the world, but his record doesn't show it. Bill Parcells had a famous quote, "you are what your record says you are, and his record is not all that great. You bring up Davis and his hiring in Alice. If you remember, that hire ruffled a few feathers as well. "He didn't win any games at the Colony..blah blah blah" "Yeah he took Sinton to state that that 3A, blah blah blah" So it was Davis' turn to shut those nay sayers up. And guess what? He did. Gonzalez hasn't done anything to prove anyone wrong. You know, there is a way you can express your opinion without criticizing anyone or using words like stupid. Its called using effective communication. Its one of the things I teach to 8th grade at risk youth. If you want, I could sign you up. ROTFLMAO let me know how he does sailor, I've got a neighbor that I might enroll if you can get anywhere with cochino.
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Post by cochino on Sept 3, 2013 13:28:58 GMT -6
Would you say Whatley was a good coach? I think I know what your answer would be. You know what made him a good coach? He took ordinary guys and turned them into superstars on that football field. He took a bunch of 5'9, 5'10 guys and made them believe they were 6'4. He coached to his teams strengths and out coached other coaches. Gonzalez has 6'4 players and doesn't utilize that. Yes, yes...the coach isn't the one catching or blocking. But at some point, the player has to have the "want to", the "ganas" to please his coach. The fact that he had a star QB right under his nose and he didn't use him until week 8??? That's a red flag right there. True what you say about Whatley but still not a good example. Alice wins no matter who the coach is. And that's my point about how the kids have to take responsibilty at some point. Bring Gonzales to Alice and Alice will still be a winning program. You guys act like Gonzales ruined East. East had that one good year and that's it. And their coach was under investigation that one good year for recruiting players. That's how he got the boot. So that one good year wasn't even legit. Gonzales has only had 1 season there.
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Post by kramcat on Sept 3, 2013 13:33:00 GMT -6
Good athletes in Victoria, when the right Coach comes along and puts in a good weight program and feeder system it could win a state championship. I'm not saying this isn't the coach either, shouldn't be putting this Coach down. How long should someone get to try and turn things around before the for sale signs are talked about? If it was a buddy system that hired the wrong guy it needs to be changed also.
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Post by Purp on Sept 3, 2013 13:40:01 GMT -6
Good athletes in Victoria, when the right Coach comes along and puts in a good weight program and feeder system it could win a state championship. I'm not saying this isn't the coach either, shouldn't be putting this Coach down. How long should someone get to try and turn things around before the for sale signs are talked about? If it was a buddy system that hired the wrong guy it needs to be changed also. You should start seeing resukts in year two, with year three and four progressively better as the system in place trickles down to the youth leagues. But every program is different. To hard to predict
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Post by cochino on Sept 3, 2013 13:40:54 GMT -6
Good athletes in Victoria, when the right Coach comes along and puts in a good weight program and feeder system it could win a state championship. I'm not saying this isn't the coach either, shouldn't be putting this Coach down. How long should someone get to try and turn things around before the for sale signs are talked about? If it was a buddy system that hired the wrong guy it needs to be changed also. I just don't think its the coach. Its the kids and the community. And the Victoria Memorial experiment proves that. They couldn't even win big with that super team.
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Post by Purp on Sept 3, 2013 13:41:21 GMT -6
Whitaker turned the Calhoun program around in two years.
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Post by sailorsam11 on Sept 3, 2013 13:42:37 GMT -6
Where do you get your information from, dude? Sorry, I am Coyote through and through but you have to admit we went through some horrid times there for a while. Need I remind you of the 1-9 season? Even Whatley had some non-playoff seasons towards the end. Bring Gonzalez and you'll see Alice getting beat every week. Nothing this guy has done says, quality coach. He coached with Art Briles at Stephenville and considers DW Rutlidge a close friend. Yes, those were the kinds of things that were mentioned when he got the job here. Not his won-loss record. Findley retired from coaching because 1)he is old 2)he has grandkids who he can now see anytime he wants. There was no investigation and there was no recruiting. Whats he going to say, "come play for us and use these awesome facilities? There isn't any. "Come play at our palace of the stadium?" Its a dump. There is no enticing anyone to play for Victoria schools. Believe me, if East turns it around and they become the class of district, I will say I was wrong...but I seriously don't see that happening And I by turning things around I don't mean another trip to the playoffs with a losing record.
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Post by sailorsam11 on Sept 3, 2013 13:52:51 GMT -6
Good athletes in Victoria, when the right Coach comes along and puts in a good weight program and feeder system it could win a state championship. I'm not saying this isn't the coach either, shouldn't be putting this Coach down. How long should someone get to try and turn things around before the for sale signs are talked about? If it was a buddy system that hired the wrong guy it needs to be changed also. I just don't think its the coach. Its the kids and the community. And the Victoria Memorial experiment proves that. They couldn't even win big with that super team. I agree with you on that one. I work in the schools and while I love these kids to death, they don't have that fire in the bellies for football. We both come from the same place, so we know there is a pick up football game somewhere in town. Kids are working out, living, breathing football. Here, football is just something do to. The only people who support the team are parents of the kids who are at the playing, marching, cheering, or dancing in the game. When we decided to move here, I had visions of a town full of rivalry and spirit. The majority of the people here in town seem kind of "eh" about football. One of my co-workers, who is Stroman grad, mentioned that the last time he saw the town exited for football was in the last 1990s. So yeah, the kids don't really help the coach out. But again, its the coaches job to get these kids motivated.
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Post by cochino on Sept 3, 2013 13:54:30 GMT -6
Where do you get your information from, dude? Sorry, I am Coyote through and through but you have to admit we went through some horrid times there for a while. Need I remind you of the 1-9 season? Even Whatley had some non-playoff seasons towards the end. Bring Gonzalez and you'll see Alice getting beat every week. Nothing this guy has done says, quality coach. He coached with Art Briles at Stephenville and considers DW Rutlidge a close friend. Yes, those were the kinds of things that were mentioned when he got the job here. Not his won-loss record. Findley retired from coaching because 1)he is old 2)he has grandkids who he can now see anytime he wants. There was no investigation and there was no recruiting. Whats he going to say, "come play for us and use these awesome facilities? There isn't any. "Come play at our palace of the stadium?" Its a dump. There is no enticing anyone to play for Victoria schools. Believe me, if East turns it around and they become the class of district, I will say I was wrong...but I seriously don't see that happening And I by turning things around I don't mean another trip to the playoffs with a losing record. Dude yes he was under investigation. The all world QB came from Edna I believe. Played football for East then by basketball season was back playing for Edna. And it wasnt just him. That QBs dad played for Victoria High back when I played for Alice. That was the "enticement" for that kid.
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Post by kramcat on Sept 3, 2013 13:57:24 GMT -6
Whitaker turned the Calhoun program around in two years. I remember when PLC stunk things up pretty good, definitely have your ducks in a row now. The kids expect to win now, before they even set foot on the field.
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