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Post by avert on Sept 2, 2013 19:52:41 GMT -6
How does every post get turned to an Alice Plc Gp 'my team is best and yours is not' thread. Will no one listen to you on your own threads? Quit hijacking!
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Post by warcat82 on Sept 2, 2013 19:59:13 GMT -6
How does every post get turned to an Alice Plc Gp 'my team is best and yours is not' thread. Will no one listen to you on your own threads? Quit hijacking! Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around...
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Post by Tom on Sept 2, 2013 20:46:03 GMT -6
How does every post get turned to an Alice Plc Gp 'my team is best and yours is not' thread. Will no one listen to you on your own threads? Quit hijacking! Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around... Wait a minute, they hired him right after he went 0-10? I mean I know Cy Springs is kind of a football wasteland, but... damn.
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Post by warcat82 on Sept 2, 2013 20:57:28 GMT -6
Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around... Wait a minute, they hired him right after he went 0-10? I mean I know Cy Springs is kind of a football wasteland, but... damn. Yep.... 0-10 and he comes in to replace a coach that had won a few games anyway... It was the good ol' boy system of hiring... They had way better candidates apply
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:28:28 GMT -6
How does every post get turned to an Alice Plc Gp 'my team is best and yours is not' thread. Will no one listen to you on your own threads? Quit hijacking! Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around... Again, he was lucky to have that kid by the last name of Bell at QB who was probably a legit DI product had he not already chosen to go Ivy League. Wonder what he could have done elsewhere with better talent supporting him and of course,coaching. There is zero excuse for a program like VE losing to a mediocre 3a by that score.
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Post by cochino on Sept 2, 2013 21:32:08 GMT -6
Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around... Wait a minute, they hired him right after he went 0-10? I mean I know Cy Springs is kind of a football wasteland, but... damn. The fact that he was 0-10 at some other school doesn't always tell the entire story. When Alice hired Brent Davis in 2005, he was coming off 2 straight 1-9 seasons at The Colony. He ended up being a great hire.
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Post by cochino on Sept 2, 2013 21:37:15 GMT -6
Hijacking??? Aw come on you mean you think everyone is gonna talk about one topic and not stray...lol anyway, back to Vic east... I said it last year, that coach is a piece of work and yeah he won some games at Ray but he hasn't won anywhere else... I hope he stays though cause TM will soon not be in last place with him around... Again, he was lucky to have that kid by the last name of Bell at QB who was probably a legit DI product had he not already chosen to go Ivy League. Wonder what he could have done elsewhere with better talent supporting him and of course,coaching. There is zero excuse for a program like VE losing to a mediocre 3a by that score. You keep saying that Gonzales only won at Ray because he had a great QB that would have gone D1. So is Denton Guyer's coach only winning because they have D1 talent? Is Austin Lake Travis's coach only winning because of all the talent? I mean your argument makes no sense. If you want to say that Gonzales isn't a good coach then I get it. We all have our opinion. But to say he only won at Ray because of a great QB is ridiculous. All these coaches that win with the best programs only do so because of that talent those teams have as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:41:00 GMT -6
Again, he was lucky to have that kid by the last name of Bell at QB who was probably a legit DI product had he not already chosen to go Ivy League. Wonder what he could have done elsewhere with better talent supporting him and of course,coaching. There is zero excuse for a program like VE losing to a mediocre 3a by that score. You keep saying that Gonzales only won at Ray because he had a great QB that would have gone D1. So is Denton Guyer's coach only winning because they have D1 talent? Is Austin Lake Travis's coach only winning because of all the talent? I mean your argument makes no sense. If you want to say that Gonzales isn't a good coach then I get it. We all have our opinion. But to say he only won at Ray because of a great QB is ridiculous. All these coaches that win with the best programs only do so because of that talent those teams have as well. Cochinos right! Coaching has absolutely nothing to do with it. JK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:42:25 GMT -6
Wait a minute, they hired him right after he went 0-10? I mean I know Cy Springs is kind of a football wasteland, but... damn. The fact that he was 0-10 at some other school doesn't always tell the entire story. When Alice hired Brent Davis in 2005, he was coming off 2 straight 1-9 seasons at The Colony. He ended up being a great hire. It has for Carroll who hired a coach with no where close to a successful record. Davis had his success at Sinton to prove his worth who was a solid program before he arrived. Ray has been mediocre since they split its population base with King and Carroll in the 60's. I do agree some coaches don't necessarily fit into some schools and the results can be less than underwhelming. But I think as an AD, your duty is to find someone who has recent success.
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Post by cochino on Sept 2, 2013 21:49:13 GMT -6
The fact that he was 0-10 at some other school doesn't always tell the entire story. When Alice hired Brent Davis in 2005, he was coming off 2 straight 1-9 seasons at The Colony. He ended up being a great hire. It has for Carroll who hired a coach with no where close to a successful record. Davis had his success at Sinton to prove his worth who was a solid program before he arrived. Ray has been mediocre since they split its population base with King and Carroll in the 60's. I do agree some coaches don't necessarily fit into some schools and the results can be less than underwhelming. But I think as an AD, your duty is to find someone who has recent success. Yes I agree. But you are assuming CCISD even has better applicants than these clowns they hire. I don't think there is great applicants lining up to coach a CCISD school.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:50:11 GMT -6
there are Coaches that can come into a successful program and keep it rolling along. There are some that can take a good program to the next level. Then there are some that can build a bad program to a high level. and yet others that take a great program to the outhouse. Just can't figure out where the East Coach is at......yet. West Coach seems to be headed in the right direction but may run out of time if he doesn't get positive results soon. JMO
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Post by Tom on Sept 2, 2013 22:18:11 GMT -6
The fact that he was 0-10 at some other school doesn't always tell the entire story. When Alice hired Brent Davis in 2005, he was coming off 2 straight 1-9 seasons at The Colony. He ended up being a great hire. It has for Carroll who hired a coach with no where close to a successful record. Davis had his success at Sinton to prove his worth who was a solid program before he arrived. Ray has been mediocre since they split its population base with King and Carroll in the 60's. I do agree some coaches don't necessarily fit into some schools and the results can be less than underwhelming. But I think as an AD, your duty is to find someone who has recent success. The Colony's always been a difficult job, and in the particular case of Davis, in 2004 their one win was over Wolfforth Frenship (who made the regional finals in 4A) and it wasn't particularly close. Then they got into district play where they were facing the Planos, Allen, and the rest of Lewisville ISD, while being one of the smallest schools in 5A at the time. That sounds much more like an impossible situation than a bad coaching job.
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Post by vetitan69 on Sept 3, 2013 1:01:41 GMT -6
Gonzales needs to go and I believe he will be shown the door unless there is a drastic turnaround. I finally got a chance to talk to a parent about the situation and found out that many of the kids they were relying on have left the program. They simply dont want to play for this coach, The new superintendent was not happy when he found out about the circumstances surrounding the coach's hiring so it could be 2 and done for Gonzales. As far as West is concerned, the coach there hasn't exactly been a success over his career. They slipped by a very bad Lockhart team, and we will see on Friday where they are at when they face Cuero. Overall the state of football here in Victoria is about at the same level it was when Campbell decimated a pretty good program at the old Memorial High School. Gonzales needs to go and McAngus should be shown the door as well!
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Post by gpking on Sept 3, 2013 4:09:27 GMT -6
Gonzales needs to go and I believe he will be shown the door unless there is a drastic turnaround. I finally got a chance to talk to a parent about the situation and found out that many of the kids they were relying on have left the program. They simply dont want to play for this coach, The new superintendent was not happy when he found out about the circumstances surrounding the coach's hiring so it could be 2 and done for Gonzales. As far as West is concerned, the coach there hasn't exactly been a success over his career. They slipped by a very bad Lockhart team, and we will see on Friday where they are at when they face Cuero. Overall the state of football here in Victoria is about at the same level it was when Campbell decimated a pretty good program at the old Memorial High School. Gonzales needs to go and McAngus should be shown the door as well! wow!
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Post by sailorsam11 on Sept 3, 2013 7:23:23 GMT -6
I don't want to get too personal here but Gonzalez lives down my street, and I haven't seen any FOR SALE signs yet. Ha! In all seriousness, like most of my neighbors he tends to stay to himself. He seems like a good guy and good family man. However, I don't have faith in him as a coach. His most successful stint at a coach came when he had Bell at QB and his OC was is now the HC at Ray(his name escapes me). Take away those two guys and he hasn't any success. Add to the fact that his buddy is the AD and what you get is a blow out coming from the hands of a 3A football team. I understand its one game, there is nothing from last year to make you think things will be different this year. For the kids sake, I hope things do get better soon, but I just don't see it. Just my opinion, as long as the AD and HC jobs are separate, they will never get a quality coach to apply.
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