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Post by tomseaver on Aug 21, 2013 12:17:53 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Aug 21, 2013 12:22:52 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. JJ makes up the loss via the team discount from the jacked up prices on parking and concessions. Hes not loosing any money in the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 12:23:37 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. I like the comment with the article. And the article has this pic which further makes the point. The UIL State title game is not about high school football, it's about his ego. He can claim credit by giving the UIL such a good deal, the UIL can't or won't look elsewhere. No doubt the kids love it and it's an experience, but I also think a kid would love playing the state title game in corn field if that was venue chosen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 12:24:25 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. JJ makes up the loss via the team discount from the jacked up prices on parking and concessions. Hes not loosing any money in the deal. Exactly!
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Post by cochino on Aug 21, 2013 12:45:25 GMT -6
Dear Jerry haters...
This is the UIL's doing. Not Jerry. If they weren't gonna be at Jerry World someone else would have paid off the UIL. Either way...
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 21, 2013 12:58:47 GMT -6
Jerry is the one who approached UIL so HE could make more money! They've mentioned it during the broadcasts of the state title games before... UIL originally wanted to use alamodome more but Jerry saw $$$ so he put his hand in the cookie jar... They should have said NO! Coaches are much better at picking neutral sites that they both like than UIL.... I know from experience that the alamodome charges each school $8000 to play there just for the facilities, not to mention they get the majority of the ticket sales and all concessions...... So I can just imagine what mr. Moneybags Jerry Jones is charging.... I heard from the temple coaching staff that their game in Jerry World against southlake costed them $14000 plus Jerry world took 80% of ticket sales and 100% concessions... That was for a preseason game!!! Most of those schools lower than 4A can't afford that type of fee....
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 13:01:46 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. Yeah. The problem I have with the "rotating single site" state championship idea is this: no, that's not about fairness or the kids, either. Once you accept that the single-site state championship is 100 percent about money, then the decision about where to hold the state championships is going to be about money as well. Fairness is already out the window. It may be unfair to send Georgetown up to DFW to play Denton Guyer, but then this is about money, not fairness. The fairness/"for the kids" option is the coaches from Georgetown and Denton Guyer getting on the phone with each other and deciding to have the game at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco. Sending both teams down to Reliant Stadium is stupid on multiple levels. It's not really about money, since the UIL can get more money by holding it at Jerry World. It's not about the kids or the fans, since you're having one team travel three hours and the other travel four hours when the two schools are three hours apart. So... who, exactly, is this in the interest of? The fans of a bunch of teams complaining about a hypothetical trip to Arlington for a state championship game they're not playing in?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 21, 2013 13:50:12 GMT -6
It's all nonsense to have it predetermined. I'm sure the corrupt morons at UIL get some nice money under the table to make this happen. It's way too far a drive if a team from down here makes it. I agree that it is BS to have it at a pre-determined site as well. Go back to old school and after the semi-final games let the two coaches meet up and do a coin toss for the stadium if a mutually agreed upon neutral site cannnot be reached. As for TV.........if they want to televise the games fine, if not fine. FSN has plenty of cash to send different crews to each game and don't let anybody tell you different!!!
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 21, 2013 13:57:09 GMT -6
Those 3 schools as individuals have more district championships than you have years as a school. GP has the state record for most consecutive district championships in a row. He is not talking about district championships......he's talking about the UIL and the reason for the central site being $$$$$$$$$. In no way was he putting down any school. Congrats on the state record on consecutive district championships though. Hell of an achievement for sure.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 21, 2013 13:58:19 GMT -6
Wow this blew up fast. I think its unfair to the teams and fans that have to play on Thursday & Friday 10am & 1pm. Travel time, off from work and school, hotels and meals. All season kids play and prep for Friday night or Saturday. Thursday 10am game pretty much says those kids are off from school staring on Tuesday afternoon with the rest off the week off. North Carolina splits their Football championship game between the three major colleges campus UNC, NC State and Wake Forrest while rotating the classifications each year. This helps sell the kids on playing their college ball at an in state university. The Locations are bit favored to the Eastern side of the state but UNC Charlotte just built a new football stadium and most expect it to be in the mix in 2-3 years. NFL Carolina Panthers stadium is not used for HS football(or much college football) which I think is a big disappointment. Damn skippy Flo! It is very unfair for the smaller schools having to do this for sure.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 21, 2013 14:06:40 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. JJ makes up the loss via the team discount from the jacked up prices on parking and concessions. Hes not loosing any money in the deal. Damn right he does $20+ for a nasty little burger, chips, and a coke! RIPOFF!!!!!!! Look, I agree with Tom that it is a magnificent stadium......there is absolutely no arguing with that at all. My problem is that it is not fair to other areas of the state to have it so many years in a row at the same venue. There are a ton of big time hsfb fans in the SA, Austin, Houston, and other areas that would love to go to all the games if they were played near them.
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Post by TWolvesFan on Aug 21, 2013 14:11:14 GMT -6
I am biased because we've played quite a few games in the stadium, including 2 state title games in the last 3 years. At one point we (Guyer) had a better record at Cowboys Stadium than the Cowboys did! I get the fact that in a state this vast, there's no way to make everyone happy, but the kids absolutely love it. It's such an experience for them. Ironically enough, Jerry Jones gives high schools an incredible discount to play there. It cost less to play a playoff game there than the UNT stadium. A lot less. Yeah. The problem I have with the "rotating single site" state championship idea is this: no, that's not about fairness or the kids, either. Once you accept that the single-site state championship is 100 percent about money, then the decision about where to hold the state championships is going to be about money as well. Fairness is already out the window. It may be unfair to send Georgetown up to DFW to play Denton Guyer, but then this is about money, not fairness. The fairness/"for the kids" option is the coaches from Georgetown and Denton Guyer getting on the phone with each other and deciding to have the game at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco. Sending both teams down to Reliant Stadium is stupid on multiple levels. It's not really about money, since the UIL can get more money by holding it at Jerry World. It's not about the kids or the fans, since you're having one team travel three hours and the other travel four hours when the two schools are three hours apart. So... who, exactly, is this in the interest of? The fans of a bunch of teams complaining about a hypothetical trip to Arlington for a state championship game they're not playing in? Hi Tom, I tend to agree with you on multiple levels. Ok, being in the center of the state it doesn't really matter to me where they play it as long as there's plenty of parking, seating, and lodging. Although Jerry World has both good and bad points to it, it seems to work and it allows for fans to see multiple games that they wouldn't get to see if it were dispursed all over the state. Those that do make the effort to go are rewarded by seeing the games live... without all the TV interruptions!
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 14:13:43 GMT -6
Those 3 schools as individuals have more district championships than you have years as a school. GP has the state record for most consecutive district championships in a row. He is not talking about district championships......he's talking about the UIL and the reason for the central site being $$$$$$$$$. In no way was he putting down any school. Congrats on the state record on consecutive district championships though. Hell of an achievement for sure. we've been on so many different planes with this thread, I was making the point that if the UIL didn't care about $$$$$$$$$ then only district champs would make the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 14:15:04 GMT -6
Jerry is the one who approached UIL so HE could make more money! They've mentioned it during the broadcasts of the state title games before... UIL originally wanted to use alamodome more but Jerry saw $$$ so he put his hand in the cookie jar... They should have said NO! Coaches are much better at picking neutral sites that they both like than UIL.... I know from experience that the alamodome charges each school $8000 to play there just for the facilities, not to mention they get the majority of the ticket sales and all concessions...... So I can just imagine what mr. Moneybags Jerry Jones is charging.... I heard from the temple coaching staff that their game in Jerry World against southlake costed them $14000 plus Jerry world took 80% of ticket sales and 100% concessions... That was for a preseason game!!! Most of those schools lower than 4A can't afford that type of fee.... That's why the Cowboys will not win the Superbowl until JJ hires a GM and lets the run the team. He's got his attention divided between too many different things to put a championship team on the field. then he blames the coaches and players. JMO
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 14:18:41 GMT -6
JJ makes up the loss via the team discount from the jacked up prices on parking and concessions. Hes not loosing any money in the deal. Damn right he does $20+ for a nasty little burger, chips, and a coke! RIPOFF!!!!!!! Look, I agree with Tom that it is a magnificent stadium......there is absolutely no arguing with that at all. My problem is that it is not fair to other areas of the state to have it so many years in a row at the same venue. There are a ton of big time hsfb fans in the SA, Austin, Houston, and other areas that would love to go to all the games if they were played near them. If they were to pick a "permanent" central site and that decision wasn't about money, it would probably be DKR. I sort of like the idea one poster had of having predetermined sites and rotating them around. How about this: you have a doubleheader at five different stadiums (for argument's sake, let's say Cowboys, Reliant, Alamodome, DKR, Kyle Field) and rotate each year. So one year, Cowboys has the 5A championships, the next year they have 4A, etc. You might even throw Jones Stadium in Lubbock in the mix.
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