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Post by gpking on Aug 21, 2013 10:16:02 GMT -6
I say put in in the valley and see how much Tom likes it
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Post by sandcrab79 on Aug 21, 2013 10:20:11 GMT -6
Ok corpus is 7 1/2 hours from Dallas roughly... The valley about 10 hours away... So you figure at $3.50 a gallon for gas that's probably an addition $200 at least per car load traveling each way... Plus $70-$120 or more per hotel room for at least 1 night plus food even at whataburger $10 a person a meal. Add to it the longer the travel the more worn out the kids are, even going up a day or two early sleeping in a hotel compared to home is not the same... If you take a charter bus now your paying a bus driver to sleep in a hotel plus a bus ticket, for the schools mileage is factored into the budget for that sport so you're paying the bus driver from the time they leave to the time the return, including sleeping... Schools could be out over $3000 in expenses and per fan could be out over $1000 I understand that you guys are pretty South Texas-centric, but let's look at this from another perspective. Let's take Stratford, which is similarly situated in that they're in a far corner of the state, but unlike anybody in the Valley they've actually played for a state championship in recent years. For them to get to Arlington, that's a 6.5-7 hour trip. Sound bad? Well, from there, San Antonio's a nine-hour trip and Houston is ten hours. So... moving the state championship to San Antonio or Houston is great for the Coastal Bend and the Valley, but it's brutal for anyone from the Panhandle. There's no good way to do this.[/quote] Yes there is...Rotate the venue every year. 1 yr Houston, next yr SA, next yr DFW, maybe even throw in 4th yr Austin. Let everyone have a shot at a nearby Ship venue and the others have to travel. At the very least, you spread the wealth around. The cost to attend a game at Jerry World is unreal and that is just to park, have a drink and a hotdog. Don't get me wrong, I'd drive to Alaska and fork out a lot of $$$ to watch my team play in the Ship. Spread it around a little. Besides, the Cowboys suck!!!
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 10:23:26 GMT -6
Let's get real for a minute, when was the last time a team from "down there" made it to state? In the real world, the longest trip anybody had to make for last year's state championships was El Campo's trip, which Google Maps says is 4:46. Nice job missing the point for the sake of making a sarcastic remark. Forrest Gump much? ...you had a point?
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Post by cochino on Aug 21, 2013 10:26:17 GMT -6
The state championship games should be no different than any other playoff game. It should be up to the 2 teams involved, not the UIL or where Fox Sports decides. That's stupid. These kids are playing for their school, not to make Fox Sports money.
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -6
I understand that you guys are pretty South Texas-centric, but let's look at this from another perspective. Let's take Stratford, which is similarly situated in that they're in a far corner of the state, but unlike anybody in the Valley they've actually played for a state championship in recent years. For them to get to Arlington, that's a 6.5-7 hour trip. Sound bad? Well, from there, San Antonio's a nine-hour trip and Houston is ten hours. So... moving the state championship to San Antonio or Houston is great for the Coastal Bend and the Valley, but it's brutal for anyone from the Panhandle. There's no good way to do this.[/quote] Yes there is...Rotate the venue every year. 1 yr Houston, next yr SA, next yr DFW, maybe even throw in 4th yr Austin. Let everyone have a shot at a nearby Ship venue and the others have to travel. At the very least, you spread the wealth around. The cost to attend a game at Jerry World is unreal and that is just to park, have a drink and a hotdog. Don't get me wrong, I'd drive to Alaska and fork out a lot of $$$ to watch my team play in the Ship. Spread it around a little. Besides, the Cowboys suck!!! I'm sure the UIL would consider rotating the venue if whoever owns Reliant and the Alamodome would give them the sweet deal that Jerry Jones (apparently) does. Aside from which, the UIL knows that if Calhoun actually does make the championship, the Sandcrab folks will complain about the travel for about five minutes... then gas up the truck and make the drive to Arlington. Same deal with Alice, Corpus Christi, Harlingen, Del Rio, El Paso, Amarillo, and whatever other farflung locales might someday play for a state championship. They don't have any reason to change things unless it starts costing them $$$$.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:30:10 GMT -6
It's all nonsense to have it predetermined. I'm sure the corrupt morons at UIL get some nice money under the table to make this happen. It's way too far a drive if a team from down here makes it. Let's get real for a minute, when was the last time a team from "down there" made it to state? In the real world, the longest trip anybody had to make for last year's state championships was El Campo's trip, which Google Maps says is 4:46. I think most people including Cochino are including pretty much any area south of Austin as "down there." When you throw in that variable, it's a much bigger pool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 10:34:36 GMT -6
I'm sure the UIL would consider rotating the venue if whoever owns Reliant and the Alamodome would give them the sweet deal that Jerry Jones (apparently) does. Aside from which, the UIL knows that if Calhoun actually does make the championship, the Sandcrab folks will complain about the travel for about five minutes... then gas up the truck and make the drive to Arlington. Same deal with Alice, Corpus Christi, Harlingen, Del Rio, El Paso, Amarillo, and whatever other farflung locales might someday play for a state championship. They don't have any reason to change things unless it starts costing them $$$$. Yes we would go. But it doesn't change the argument. Either the UIL is for the best interests of the kids, their parents, and taxpayers. Or they have totally lost their focus and they are in the game for themselves and the state needs to come in and exercise some oversight. Getting a sweet deal from the franchise wrecker from Arkansas is NOT in the best interest of all the above despite the salesman ship from the UIL, Fox Sports and other ass kissers in the media.
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 10:48:40 GMT -6
Yes we would go. But it doesn't change the argument. Either the UIL is for the best interests of the kids, their parents, and taxpayers. Or they have totally lost their focus and they are in the game for themselves and the state needs to come in and exercise some oversight. Getting a sweet deal from the franchise wrecker from Arkansas is NOT in the best interest of all the above despite the salesman ship from the UIL, Fox Sports and other ass kissers in the media. In the hypothetical world where the UIL doesn't care about money, Calallen, Alice, and G-P all missed the playoffs last year because they didn't win their district.
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Post by gpking on Aug 21, 2013 11:03:52 GMT -6
Those 3 schools as individuals have more district championships than you have years as a school. GP has the state record for most consecutive district championships in a row.
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 11:35:44 GMT -6
Those 3 schools as individuals have more district championships than you have years as a school. GP has the state record for most consecutive district championships in a row. Point is the ship sailed on the UIL not caring about money a long time ago. Playoff expansion is all about $, central-site state championships are all about $, and Jerry World is all about $. As long as money is the driving force, state championships are at Jerry World unless and until Reliant or the Alamodome gives them a better deal. In the fairies-and-unicorns world where the UIL doesn't care about money, state championship game sites are picked by the two schools playing in them, not at a rotating central site. And only the district champ makes the playoffs. You don't make the playoffs for finishing fourth in your district when money isn't a concern. I don't pay enough attention to know, but is it an issue that the state basketball tournament is in Austin year after year?
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Post by gpking on Aug 21, 2013 11:38:03 GMT -6
In 2 years Kyle field is going to be an amazing place to play.
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 21, 2013 12:01:18 GMT -6
I think the best possible solution is to go half way between the participating schools.... Forget all this play at one spot crap... Let the coaches decide where they play, who gives a crap if the evil emperor Jerry jones makes more money or not.... Who cares if a 5A school gets to watch 6-man through 4A... To me that is just more distraction for the kids competing... They should all play elsewhere and stick it to Jerry... It's not like parents have more than one kid playing on different teams... Just go half way and say here's the finger Jerry Jones... I can't stand that moron anyway, he's why I stopped routing for the cowboys...
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Post by flowtowntigers on Aug 21, 2013 12:04:42 GMT -6
Wow this blew up fast.
I think its unfair to the teams and fans that have to play on Thursday & Friday 10am & 1pm. Travel time, off from work and school, hotels and meals.
All season kids play and prep for Friday night or Saturday. Thursday 10am game pretty much says those kids are off from school staring on Tuesday afternoon with the rest off the week off.
North Carolina splits their Football championship game between the three major colleges campus UNC, NC State and Wake Forrest while rotating the classifications each year. This helps sell the kids on playing their college ball at an in state university. The Locations are bit favored to the Eastern side of the state but UNC Charlotte just built a new football stadium and most expect it to be in the mix in 2-3 years.
NFL Carolina Panthers stadium is not used for HS football(or much college football) which I think is a big disappointment.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 21, 2013 12:05:42 GMT -6
Those 3 schools as individuals have more district championships than you have years as a school. GP has the state record for most consecutive district championships in a row. I don't pay enough attention to know, but is it an issue that the state basketball tournament is in Austin year after year? Austin is centrally located for the entire state of Texas. DFW is only centrally located for the DFW Metroplex. Austin is not Jerry World either in price gouging. Sure that Austin is a long distance for Texas Panhandle teams and El Paso teams and the RGV and Beaumont area. But is is truly centralized.
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2013 12:11:03 GMT -6
I don't pay enough attention to know, but is it an issue that the state basketball tournament is in Austin year after year? Austin is centrally located for the entire state of Texas. DFW is only centrally located for the DFW Metroplex. Austin is not Jerry World either in price gouging. Sure that Austin is a long distance for Texas Panhandle teams and El Paso teams and the RGV and Beaumont area. But is is truly centralized. true, of course basketball is different simply because when you get to state you're playing two games within two or three days anyway. The central site makes sense there.
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