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Post by bowiedawgs01 on Aug 8, 2013 15:35:25 GMT -6
BD1, what up man?! Glad you are here. You bring a lotta good info with you from the centex and your input will be great. As for Burger, I for one really like that stadium a lot. Clemens has played there several times in the past and I always enjoyed games there. What's up? Nice to be here. I've known about the site for a long time. Probably even posted here before. Maybe. Or maybe that was the now defunct site...I can't remember it. Texaaaas something? Don't pump me up too much. You make me blush. ha
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Post by FB fan on Aug 8, 2013 15:37:51 GMT -6
BD1, what up man?! Glad you are here. You bring a lotta good info with you from the centex and your input will be great. As for Burger, I for one really like that stadium a lot. Clemens has played there several times in the past and I always enjoyed games there. What's up? Nice to be here. I've known about the site for a long time. Probably even posted here before. Maybe. Or maybe that was the now defunct site...I can't remember it. Texaaaas something? Don't pump me up too much. You make me blush. ha Welcome. Yeah that was the old name. A lot of the same posters been around for years migrated to this one. New owner.
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Post by Tom on Aug 8, 2013 18:46:51 GMT -6
No need to do that, I haven't adopted any of the Coastal Bend teams, though I may adopt a GHA one I guess. Your team is 4A, though. No need to adopt a team. Hmmmm....who to pick? I don't want to jump on a bandwagon that a lot of posters already represent. I'll get back to y'all tonight. haha More like an "I need a team whose games I can actually go see." Oh, right, the Katy people already recruited me. Peer pressure and all that.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 9, 2013 9:17:18 GMT -6
Your team is 4A, though. No need to adopt a team. Hmmmm....who to pick? I don't want to jump on a bandwagon that a lot of posters already represent. I'll get back to y'all tonight. haha More like an "I need a team whose games I can actually go see." Oh, right, the Katy people already recruited me. Peer pressure and all that. I can see it already........ Tom, BlakeJ, and Fleeman flipping burgers tailgating together!!!
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2013 9:41:18 GMT -6
More like an "I need a team whose games I can actually go see." Oh, right, the Katy people already recruited me. Peer pressure and all that. I can see it already........ Tom, BlakeJ, and Fleeman flipping burgers tailgating together!!! Don't remind me of this scenario... LOL. I even protested that I'm right down the street from Taylor.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 9, 2013 16:03:34 GMT -6
I can see it already........ Tom, BlakeJ, and Fleeman flipping burgers tailgating together!!! Don't remind me of this scenario... LOL. I even protested that I'm right down the street from Taylor. Tom, I truly believe if we stay healthy this year we will meet Katy once again in the semis. If our new Staff members and HC settle in, a couple LBs and DBs emerge, and our new #10 QB does what I think he's capable of, we are going to be a pretty good team. The new #10 is going to remind a lotta folks of our old #10 (Tommy Armstrong - RS Freshman QB at NE) this season as a JR. Kid has some wheels and can sling it nicely! We've got some pieces to assemble and may take a couple of lumps early along the way, but if we come together and stay healthy..........LOOK OUT!
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Post by sotex on Aug 9, 2013 18:56:40 GMT -6
Tom, as much as I respect you, it is hard to take you serious. My sophomore year, I played on the J.V. I was moved up to the varsity in my Jr. year. Let me tell you, it was no fun going up against our seniors in spring and two-a-days. THAT is what prepared me for the varsity level. That was in 79 when we were 4-A (the biggest division at the time), and only one district championship. We went to the semi-finals that year. No different today as far as being prepared to take the next step. Sotex, I see what you are saying and agree to a point. Yes, if you have a talented freshman class it certainly can translate into a great varsity team in 3 years, especially if the talent is there on the JV at the same time. However, I think each school is different in that they handle their players differently. STeele's 2011 15-1 team went either 2-6 or 3-5 in 7th & 8th grade, 2-8 as freshman, and I believe as a soph class they won about 1/2 their games or so, yet they were great as SRs. Also, at Steele our staff will move quite a few of the talented sophomores to varsity very early in the year, and even some freshman well before the playoffs arrive. Our staff believes in getting these youngsters acclimated to varsity play early and also 'making them part of the team' by having them participate on the field. How much do you think this might affect our sub varsity team's records at Steele when you may have your best 8-10 sophomores on varsity and as many as 4-5 freshman? My point is that our staff couldn't care less what the records are of the sub varsity teams. Don't get me wrong, they still want and try to win every game but they certainly don't lose any sleep over a 500 record on any of those teams. I believe the SR group we have coming in has the best w/l record of any so far through 5 years of football in middle school and suv-varsity play. I know one SR DE who's dad told me his son has lost a total of 4 games in those 5 years of football and two of those were to Dekaney in the finals in 2011 and katy last year in the semis. I believe his team lost 1 as freshman and one in middle school. That is all great but that dang sure don't mean we are going to make it to the title game or even out of the region this year. Talent as younger players is GREAT, but it don't mean squat if those talented kids don't work as hard as other groups who've come through with less talent! Another point I throw out here is my son's group (Freshman) have not lost a game. They were not scored on in 7th grade and gave up 3 TDs last year (2 in trash time) yet I don't believe for a second they will go 10-0 this year because I believe we'll probably have 4-6 kids moved to varsity very early in the year and possibly a few others go to JV. All I'm saying is every coach approaches it a little differently and that in itself makes a big difference from school to school on how much sub-varsity success carries over to varsity football.
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Post by sotex on Aug 9, 2013 19:14:16 GMT -6
Tom, as much as I respect you, it is hard to take you serious. My sophomore year, I played on the J.V. I was moved up to the varsity in my Jr. year. Let me tell you, it was no fun going up against our seniors in spring and two-a-days. THAT is what prepared me for the varsity level. That was in 79 when we were 4-A (the biggest division at the time), and only one district championship. We went to the semi-finals that year. No different today as far as being prepared to take the next step. Sotex, I see what you are saying and agree to a point. Yes, if you have a talented freshman class it certainly can translate into a great varsity team in 3 years, especially if the talent is there on the JV at the same time. However, I think each school is different in that they handle their players differently. STeele's 2011 15-1 team went either 2-6 or 3-5 in 7th & 8th grade, 2-8 as freshman, and I believe as a soph class they won about 1/2 their games or so, yet they were great as SRs. Also, at Steele our staff will move quite a few of the talented sophomores to varsity very early in the year, and even some freshman well before the playoffs arrive. Our staff believes in getting these youngsters acclimated to varsity play early and also 'making them part of the team' by having them participate on the field. How much do you think this might affect our sub varsity team's records at Steele when you may have your best 8-10 sophomores on varsity and as many as 4-5 freshman? My point is that our staff couldn't care less what the records are of the sub varsity teams. Don't get me wrong, they still want and try to win every game but they certainly don't lose any sleep over a 500 record on any of those teams. I believe the SR group we have coming in has the best w/l record of any so far through 5 years of football in middle school and suv-varsity play. I know one SR DE who's dad told me his son has lost a total of 4 games in those 5 years of football and two of those were to Dekaney in the finals in 2011 and katy last year in the semis. I believe his team lost 1 as freshman and one in middle school. That is all great but that dang sure don't mean we are going to make it to the title game or even out of the region this year. Talent as younger players is GREAT, but it don't mean squat if those talented kids don't work as hard as other groups who've come through with less talent! Another point I throw out here is my son's group (Freshman) have not lost a game. They were not scored on in 7th grade and gave up 3 TDs last year (2 in trash time) yet I don't believe for a second they will go 10-0 this year because I believe we'll probably have 4-6 kids moved to varsity very early in the year and possibly a few others go to JV. All I'm saying is every coach approaches it a little differently and that in itself makes a big difference from school to school on how much sub-varsity success carries over to varsity football. You make some valid points. I remember my Jr. year we had this sophomore, Sonny Brown. Coach Henderson did not like to play underclassman on the varsity. This kid, at one point was not even the starting QB. on the J.V. We all wondered why he was not starting on the varsity as a safety. He was obviously a great player. In 80, when Boyd took over he had Sonny going both ways most of the time. He went on to play college ball at Oklahoma, and was named the MVP in the national championship game his senior year. Yes, we had a lot of talent back then, but I believe Soza likes to develop his players on the sub varsities as well. Maybe not to the extent that Henderson did. As for having several sophomores playing varsity, hell yeah, it can play a major roll on how your sub varsities do. In our district, I will take Flour Bluff as an example. I am pretty sure they had quite a few sophomores playing on their varsity last year
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2013 21:55:14 GMT -6
Sotex, I see what you are saying and agree to a point. Yes, if you have a talented freshman class it certainly can translate into a great varsity team in 3 years, especially if the talent is there on the JV at the same time. However, I think each school is different in that they handle their players differently. STeele's 2011 15-1 team went either 2-6 or 3-5 in 7th & 8th grade, 2-8 as freshman, and I believe as a soph class they won about 1/2 their games or so, yet they were great as SRs. Also, at Steele our staff will move quite a few of the talented sophomores to varsity very early in the year, and even some freshman well before the playoffs arrive. Our staff believes in getting these youngsters acclimated to varsity play early and also 'making them part of the team' by having them participate on the field. How much do you think this might affect our sub varsity team's records at Steele when you may have your best 8-10 sophomores on varsity and as many as 4-5 freshman? My point is that our staff couldn't care less what the records are of the sub varsity teams. Don't get me wrong, they still want and try to win every game but they certainly don't lose any sleep over a 500 record on any of those teams. I believe the SR group we have coming in has the best w/l record of any so far through 5 years of football in middle school and suv-varsity play. I know one SR DE who's dad told me his son has lost a total of 4 games in those 5 years of football and two of those were to Dekaney in the finals in 2011 and katy last year in the semis. I believe his team lost 1 as freshman and one in middle school. That is all great but that dang sure don't mean we are going to make it to the title game or even out of the region this year. Talent as younger players is GREAT, but it don't mean squat if those talented kids don't work as hard as other groups who've come through with less talent! Another point I throw out here is my son's group (Freshman) have not lost a game. They were not scored on in 7th grade and gave up 3 TDs last year (2 in trash time) yet I don't believe for a second they will go 10-0 this year because I believe we'll probably have 4-6 kids moved to varsity very early in the year and possibly a few others go to JV. All I'm saying is every coach approaches it a little differently and that in itself makes a big difference from school to school on how much sub-varsity success carries over to varsity football. You make some valid points. I remember my Jr. year we had this sophomore, Sonny Brown. Coach Henderson did not like to play underclassman on the varsity. This kid, at one point was not even the starting QB. on the J.V. We all wondered why he was not starting on the varsity as a safety. He was obviously a great player. In 80, when Boyd took over he had Sonny going both ways most of the time. He went on to play college ball at Oklahoma, and was named the MVP in the national championship game his senior year. Yes, we had a lot of talent back then, but I believe Soza likes to develop his players on the sub varsities as well. Maybe not to the extent that Henderson did. As for having several sophomores playing varsity, hell yeah, it can play a major roll on how your sub varsities do. In our district, I will take Flour Bluff as an example. I am pretty sure they had quite a few sophomores playing on their varsity last year Yep. Even Guyer had two sophs starting on varsity last year, if memory serves right. Several others were on the varsity roster with varying amounts of playing time. Even had a fish come up for the Wichita Falls game... never seen a fish play varsity during the regular season before!
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Post by sotex on Aug 10, 2013 0:15:42 GMT -6
Well all I know is that coach Soza places emphasis from the 7th grade up to the varsity. Teams in this area with limited talent are fools to do otherwise.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 10, 2013 11:24:27 GMT -6
Yep. Even Guyer had two sophs starting on varsity last year, if memory serves right. Several others were on the varsity roster with varying amounts of playing time. Even had a fish come up for the Wichita Falls game... never seen a fish play varsity during the regular season before! Tom, Jinks has been moving freshman up to varsity since the 2010 season. In our game against you guys in Cowyboys stadium we had a freshman RB backing up Malcolm. That Freshman played in all 6 playoff games that year and I believe the 3, maybe 4 last district games. That young man had about 600 yards that season and this year will be a SR. I think moving him to varsity that year and giving him those carries really set the ground work for the player he is today. He's committed to Jinks at Texas Tech and when he starts for us in Week 0 as a senior he'll already have 17 5a playoff games under his belt, 40+ total games, and about 4500+ yds rushing. This is now 'his offense' and 'team' and I believe he'll put the team and this season offensively on his shoulders and lead very well. I've always thought that if a kid is ready both physically and mentally to play varsity, why in the hell shouldn't he, even as a freshman. IMO, a kid will not get better playing against other kids that he is already way better than. That said, we all know that most 14 year old freshman are not physically ready and in the case of the kid I speak of above, he was small his freshman year...probably around 145-150 lbs. Jinks worked him in and got him touches here and there because of this. FAST he was, physical enough he was not...at least for an 'every down' varsity player. I think this is where it takes a good coach who cares about his kids genuinely not to make a mistake and get a youngster beat up by 17-18 year old Jrs and Srs that are obviously way ahead of the youngsters physically. As far as playing sophomores, I know that Steele had 11 or 12 on the varsity roster from the get go in 2012 and a couple of freshman. I believe multiple more fresh and sophs were brought up for the playoffs last year as is the case most years. I also know that at one point in one game last year when we had a comfortable lead, we had 2 freshman, 7 sophs, & 2 Jrs on the field playing defense.....and they did an outstanding job. This is how you build depth for the next year and beyond.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 10, 2013 11:30:03 GMT -6
You make some valid points. I remember my Jr. year we had this sophomore, Sonny Brown. Coach Henderson did not like to play underclassman on the varsity. This kid, at one point was not even the starting QB. on the J.V. We all wondered why he was not starting on the varsity as a safety. He was obviously a great player. In 80, when Boyd took over he had Sonny going both ways most of the time. He went on to play college ball at Oklahoma, and was named the MVP in the national championship game his senior year. Yes, we had a lot of talent back then, but I believe Soza likes to develop his players on the sub varsities as well. Maybe not to the extent that Henderson did. As for having several sophomores playing varsity, hell yeah, it can play a major roll on how your sub varsities do. In our district, I will take Flour Bluff as an example. I am pretty sure they had quite a few sophomores playing on their varsity last year I agree that FB does a great job playing their youngsters. I was at their game last year against Leander and I do remember several sophs on their roster. I can tell you that it seemed with coach Jinks if he had a Jr and Sr at the same position that were about equal on ability, the JR would get the majority of the PT. I think this was pretty well known among the parents of players. Some didn't like it but most did because they realized what he was doing and it is very hard to argue with the success he had at our school.
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Post by Tom on Aug 10, 2013 13:29:46 GMT -6
Yep. Even Guyer had two sophs starting on varsity last year, if memory serves right. Several others were on the varsity roster with varying amounts of playing time. Even had a fish come up for the Wichita Falls game... never seen a fish play varsity during the regular season before! Tom, Jinks has been moving freshman up to varsity since the 2010 season. In our game against you guys in Cowyboys stadium we had a freshman RB backing up Malcolm. That Freshman played in all 6 playoff games that year and I believe the 3, maybe 4 last district games. That young man had about 600 yards that season and this year will be a SR. I think moving him to varsity that year and giving him those carries really set the ground work for the player he is today. He's committed to Jinks at Texas Tech and when he starts for us in Week 0 as a senior he'll already have 17 5a playoff games under his belt, 40+ total games, and about 4500+ yds rushing. This is now 'his offense' and 'team' and I believe he'll put the team and this season offensively on his shoulders and lead very well. I've always thought that if a kid is ready both physically and mentally to play varsity, why in the hell shouldn't he, even as a freshman. IMO, a kid will not get better playing against other kids that he is already way better than. That said, we all know that most 14 year old freshman are not physically ready and in the case of the kid I speak of above, he was small his freshman year...probably around 145-150 lbs. Jinks worked him in and got him touches here and there because of this. FAST he was, physical enough he was not...at least for an 'every down' varsity player. I think this is where it takes a good coach who cares about his kids genuinely not to make a mistake and get a youngster beat up by 17-18 year old Jrs and Srs that are obviously way ahead of the youngsters physically. As far as playing sophomores, I know that Steele had 11 or 12 on the varsity roster from the get go in 2012 and a couple of freshman. I believe multiple more fresh and sophs were brought up for the playoffs last year as is the case most years. I also know that at one point in one game last year when we had a comfortable lead, we had 2 freshman, 7 sophs, & 2 Jrs on the field playing defense.....and they did an outstanding job. This is how you build depth for the next year and beyond. Well, I can understand why you'd play a freshman on varsity, but it rarely happens at Guyer simply because Guyer usually has enough depth that freshmen simply aren't likely to play. I know that Jerrod Heard got a few snaps in one of the playoff games as a freshman, I THINK it was the Abilene Cooper game (that was the only playoff game that year that was a blowout.) But, even if he was ready to play varsity as a freshman, it wasn't going to happen simply because that was JW Walsh's senior year and there was no way he was going to play. (Though I don't hesitate to wonder if Walsh might have moved him up to varsity if JW had been hurt.) The freshman that I saw play last year was Michael Carrillo, who's expected to start at LB this year, though he took a few snaps at RB in the Wichita Falls game. That was an odd situation because Wichita Falls, for whatever reason, only had one freshman team, so it was a good opportunity to play a freshman on varsity.
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Post by sotex on Aug 10, 2013 21:04:49 GMT -6
Tom and Clemensbuff, I understand where you guys are coming from. Teams like Steele and Guyer are very deep in talent, and are elite programs. Teams down here have to rely on their sub varsities for our future. The exception may be Flour Bluff.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 10, 2013 21:11:19 GMT -6
Tom and Clemensbuff, I understand where you guys are coming from. Teams like Steele and Guyer are very deep in talent, and are elite programs. Teams down here have to rely on their sub varsities for our future. The exception may be Flour Bluff. FB has a lot of guys in the program now. Varsity, junior varsity A and B, freshmen A and B, 8th grade A and B, 7th grade A, B and C teams. If underclassmen have the talent and ability they will get some time on varsity. For instance FB might go with a soph QB this year to get some varsity time that got some mop up time against Harlendale last second round play offs. Some guys are just that good and it helps when they get their turn, they already have a good idea.
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