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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 7:40:30 GMT -6
That would be great if it happened. I think that game would help both teams improve for district and playoff play whether you win or lose the game! Well Alice would lose, we would hang 60, and they can go wee wee wee all the way home!! Ha!! ROFLMAO Would that 60 be on their Varsity, JV, Fresh, 8th, 7th, pee wee, or their powder puff team?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 7:43:12 GMT -6
All caused fumbles by hits! Get it right ! Lol This is why I go off on people. Lies. Alice had 7 turnovers. 5 of them were UNFORCED. Our punt returner dropped 3 punts. Not hit. Dropped the catch. On his own. And 2 QB/RB exchange fumbles. Not hit. So don't sit there and say they were forced. Of the 7 turnovers, 5 were unforced. GP had returned a ton of starters and was a veteran team. Alice was young an inexperienced. Call it excuses if you want. Ask Calallen who was better between GP/Alice. Alice gave you the ball back 7 times with those turnovers and you still couldnt do anything other than Bisby. YOU ARE NOTHING WITHOUT BISBY. And you are even less this season. If Alice can contain Bisby this season the game will be a blowout by halftime. Yes, but I think GPK meant those dropped punts were 'forced' by that intimidating punt coverage team!
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 7:44:54 GMT -6
I like our chances. G.P. only has 13 letterman returning, now unless all those letterman are studs, can play both ways and on special teams, all bets are off. Is this correct? If so, that is really, really low to only have 13 guys back off a team at the 4a level.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 7:52:48 GMT -6
Things are looking really bad for us this season...don't know if we can even field a team. Ya it's horrible! We r getting the trainers to practice plays it's so bad. You guys are making light of it but IMO if you truly do only have 13 guys back from last year's team, it will take some serious firepower from your last year's soph class to have a good year. 13 is a very, very low number for sure. I noticed one thing while watching your team last year that struck me and that was that GP didn't have much size at all on the sidelines. Now, size damn sure isn't everything but it sure helps if everything else is pretty equal. AS good as Bisby is, he still needs some big boys up front to open lanes. As tough as he runs it will still take its toll on him if he's pounded on at the LOS nearly every play by D-lineman and LBs.
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Post by sotex on Aug 7, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -6
Ya it's horrible! We r getting the trainers to practice plays it's so bad. You guys are making light of it but IMO if you truly do only have 13 guys back from last year's team, it will take some serious firepower from your last year's soph class to have a good year. 13 is a very, very low number for sure. I noticed one thing while watching your team last year that struck me and that was that GP didn't have much size at all on the sidelines. Now, size damn sure isn't everything but it sure helps if everything else is pretty equal. AS good as Bisby is, he still needs some big boys up front to open lanes. As tough as he runs it will still take its toll on him if he's pounded on at the LOS nearly every play by D-lineman and LBs. Their sub varsities weren't very good as well. It may due to the fact that they had to learn a new offense and defense. I don't know what kind of defense they ran in the past, whether it was a 52, 4-3, but switching to a 3-4 could be difficult. In my honest opinion, if you are going to run a 3-4 defense at the high school level, you better have some great athletes.
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 21:36:37 GMT -6
Ya it's horrible! We r getting the trainers to practice plays it's so bad. You guys are making light of it but IMO if you truly do only have 13 guys back from last year's team, it will take some serious firepower from your last year's soph class to have a good year. 13 is a very, very low number for sure. I noticed one thing while watching your team last year that struck me and that was that GP didn't have much size at all on the sidelines. Now, size damn sure isn't everything but it sure helps if everything else is pretty equal. AS good as Bisby is, he still needs some big boys up front to open lanes. As tough as he runs it will still take its toll on him if he's pounded on at the LOS nearly every play by D-lineman and LBs. If Dave Campbell's is to be believed, G-P has 12 back, Calallen has 19, Calhoun has 17. It does seem way low if you're used to 5-4A (or DFW in general), where Guyer has 34 lettermen back and Rider has 32.
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Post by cujo2002 on Aug 7, 2013 21:45:44 GMT -6
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Post by sotex on Aug 7, 2013 22:12:58 GMT -6
You guys are making light of it but IMO if you truly do only have 13 guys back from last year's team, it will take some serious firepower from your last year's soph class to have a good year. 13 is a very, very low number for sure. I noticed one thing while watching your team last year that struck me and that was that GP didn't have much size at all on the sidelines. Now, size damn sure isn't everything but it sure helps if everything else is pretty equal. AS good as Bisby is, he still needs some big boys up front to open lanes. As tough as he runs it will still take its toll on him if he's pounded on at the LOS nearly every play by D-lineman and LBs. If Dave Campbell's is to be believed, G-P has 12 back, Calallen has 19, Calhoun has 17. It does seem way low if you're used to 5-4A (or DFW in general), where Guyer has 34 lettermen back and Rider has 32. O.K Tom you got me there. I thought G.P. had 13 coming back. . As far as sub varsities go, I know you might disagree on the impact they have on the varsity level, but I respectfully disagree with you here. Alice has, I believe 22 letterman coming back, most of them had some playing time. Add to that an undefeated J.V. and freshman team, we will be a pretty good team this year. In fact, I think our J.V. team was as big as our varsity. Here is a look vs. G.P. J.V. www.hudl.com/athlete/1411591/highlights/17373769
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 22:19:34 GMT -6
If Dave Campbell's is to be believed, G-P has 12 back, Calallen has 19, Calhoun has 17. It does seem way low if you're used to 5-4A (or DFW in general), where Guyer has 34 lettermen back and Rider has 32. O.K Tom you got me there. I thought G.P. had 13 coming back. . As far as sub varsities go, I know you might disagree on the impact they have on the varsity level, but I respectfully disagree with you here. Alice has, I believe 22 letterman coming back, most of them had some playing time. Add to that an undefeated J.V. and freshman team, we will be a pretty good team this year. In fact, I think our J.V. team was as big as our varsity. Here is a look vs. G.P. J.V.www.hudl.com/athlete/1411591/highlights/ Misquoting my position on subvarsities. They matter to a certain extent, but probably aren't that big of a deal. Making the jump to varsity isn't easy; an undefeated JV/freshman team means nothing if the development ends there (or at least falls behind the rest of the teams in your district.)
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Post by sotex on Aug 7, 2013 22:38:57 GMT -6
O.K Tom you got me there. I thought G.P. had 13 coming back. . As far as sub varsities go, I know you might disagree on the impact they have on the varsity level, but I respectfully disagree with you here. Alice has, I believe 22 letterman coming back, most of them had some playing time. Add to that an undefeated J.V. and freshman team, we will be a pretty good team this year. In fact, I think our J.V. team was as big as our varsity. Here is a look vs. G.P. J.V.www.hudl.com/athlete/1411591/highlights/ Misquoting my position on subvarsities. They matter to a certain extent, but probably aren't that big of a deal. Making the jump to varsity isn't easy; an undefeated JV/freshman team means nothing if the development ends there (or at least falls behind the rest of the teams in your district.) Tom, as much as I respect you, it is hard to take you serious. My sophomore year, I played on the J.V. I was moved up to the varsity in my Jr. year. Let me tell you, it was no fun going up against our seniors in spring and two-a-days. THAT is what prepared me for the varsity level. That was in 79 when we were 4-A (the biggest division at the time), and only one district championship. We went to the semi-finals that year. No different today as far as being prepared to take the next step.
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 22:51:41 GMT -6
Misquoting my position on subvarsities. They matter to a certain extent, but probably aren't that big of a deal. Making the jump to varsity isn't easy; an undefeated JV/freshman team means nothing if the development ends there (or at least falls behind the rest of the teams in your district.) Tom, as much as I respect you, it is hard to take you serious. My sophomore year, I played on the J.V. I was moved up to the varsity in my Jr. year. Let me tell you, it was no fun going up against our seniors in spring and two-a-days. THAT is what prepared me for the varsity level. That was in 79 when we were 4-A (the biggest division at the time), and only one district championship. We went to the semi-finals that year. No different today as far as being prepared to take the next step. That actually kind of proves my point. You got better. If the kids go 10-0 on JV and then slack off and don't bust their butts in practice, then they're not going to be any good on varsity. I'll give you a specific counter-example from our district: Wichita Falls' freshman team went 10-0 in 2011. Last year the JV went 5-5, and the varsity (with a few sophomores playing) went 2-8. Clearly the talent is there but something else is going on in the program... for whatever reason that really good freshman team hasn't translated into results at higher levels (I've heard they had a bunch of kids quit the program, but who knows for sure what is going on.)
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Post by sotex on Aug 7, 2013 22:57:26 GMT -6
Tom, as much as I respect you, it is hard to take you serious. My sophomore year, I played on the J.V. I was moved up to the varsity in my Jr. year. Let me tell you, it was no fun going up against our seniors in spring and two-a-days. THAT is what prepared me for the varsity level. That was in 79 when we were 4-A (the biggest division at the time), and only one district championship. We went to the semi-finals that year. No different today as far as being prepared to take the next step. That actually kind of proves my point. You got better. If the kids go 10-0 on JV and then slack off and don't bust their butts in practice, then they're not going to be any good on varsity. I'll give you a specific counter-example from our district: Wichita Falls' freshman team went 10-0 in 2011. Last year the JV went 5-5, and the varsity (with a few sophomores playing) went 2-8. Clearly the talent is there but something else is going on in the program... for whatever reason that really good freshman team hasn't translated into results at higher levels (I've heard they had a bunch of kids quit the program, but who knows for sure what is going on.) One word. Coaching! Edit: It all comes down to coaching. Under coach Henderson, we had some good players who quit at the varsity level. Why? because practices and two a days were a lot harder then than what they are now. We weren't allowed to have any water during the 100+ degree heat. Now the conditioning is much lighter, and the focus has been on weight training to make the kids bigger and stronger, which is a good thing. Another good thing is that we have two freshman and J.V. teams which encourage the kids to stay in football.
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 23:00:53 GMT -6
That actually kind of proves my point. You got better. If the kids go 10-0 on JV and then slack off and don't bust their butts in practice, then they're not going to be any good on varsity. I'll give you a specific counter-example from our district: Wichita Falls' freshman team went 10-0 in 2011. Last year the JV went 5-5, and the varsity (with a few sophomores playing) went 2-8. Clearly the talent is there but something else is going on in the program... for whatever reason that really good freshman team hasn't translated into results at higher levels (I've heard they had a bunch of kids quit the program, but who knows for sure what is going on.) One word. Coaching! Hence why Wichita Falls has a new coach this season, LOL.
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Post by sotex on Aug 7, 2013 23:50:33 GMT -6
That actually kind of proves my point. You got better. If the kids go 10-0 on JV and then slack off and don't bust their butts in practice, then they're not going to be any good on varsity. I'll give you a specific counter-example from our district: Wichita Falls' freshman team went 10-0 in 2011. Last year the JV went 5-5, and the varsity (with a few sophomores playing) went 2-8. Clearly the talent is there but something else is going on in the program... for whatever reason that really good freshman team hasn't translated into results at higher levels (I've heard they had a bunch of kids quit the program, but who knows for sure what is going on.) One word. Coaching! Edit: It all comes down to coaching. Under coach Henderson, we had some good players who quit at the varsity level. Why? because practices and two a days were a lot harder then than what they are now. We weren't allowed to have any water during the 100+ degree heat. Now the conditioning is much lighter, and the focus has been on weight training to make the kids bigger and stronger, which is a good thing. Another good thing is that we have two freshman and J.V. teams which encourage the kids to stay in football. Tom, you are giving one example. I don't know how it works in North Texas, but down here, if your sub varsity programs are good, it translates into a good varsity program.
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Post by Tom on Aug 8, 2013 0:22:47 GMT -6
One word. Coaching! Edit: It all comes down to coaching. Under coach Henderson, we had some good players who quit at the varsity level. Why? because practices and two a days were a lot harder then than what they are now. We weren't allowed to have any water during the 100+ degree heat. Now the conditioning is much lighter, and the focus has been on weight training to make the kids bigger and stronger, which is a good thing. Another good thing is that we have two freshman and J.V. teams which encourage the kids to stay in football. Tom, you are giving one example. I don't know how it works in North Texas, but down here, if your sub varsity programs are good, it translates into a good varsity program. Well, I'm just guessing here, but I'm going to bet that the programs with good sub varsity teams are good programs from top to bottom, right? I think the cause and effect is backwards. The sub-varsity teams are good because the coaching staff knows what they're doing. My questions have more to do with the, for lack of a better word, "off" years. If, say, Calallen randomly has a year when the freshmen go 2-8, does that mean they're going to have a bad year when they're seniors? If Moody's freshmen go 9-1 or 10-0 one year, are you buying that they're going to be good when they're seniors?
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