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Post by Saltydog on Jul 28, 2013 22:45:03 GMT -6
You also have Seadrift junior high school that fields 7th and 8th grade football teams those kids go to High school at Calhoun that is where all state linebacker Nick MCcory came from. I am not sure if some people know the surrounding towns of Point Comfort ,Port O'conner and Seadrift go to high school at Calhoun.... Being a seadrift kid myself I csnt believe I left them out. However. They usually only field 1 football team and it consist of sixth graders due to numbers. They have some GOOd incoming freshman from seadrift. Daniels boy. A stafford and a canales I believe Sixth? or do you mean 8th and yes that daniels kid looks to be close to 6 foot 200 pounds and that stafford boy is 200 plus thats pretty big fot 8th graders....
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 23:41:13 GMT -6
Our last senior class went 0-20 as 7th and 8th graders. As frfreshman they finally won a few games . Then they were JV kids till they were seniors for the most part. What Whitaker did an Excellent job of. Was keeping those kids together. Whilr they weren't overely talented. He developed them into good high school football players. They played key roles their senior year. He kept them out an involved. Sold them on his program and they went 10-1 as seniors. If you develop your program properly. You can weather a less talented class. They worked very hard. That is 7th and 8th grade, plus you didn't figure in the Seadrift's kids into the factor. My real guess is that coach Whit wasn't the HC., even if he was it was probably his 1st year there. Good try though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 8:14:27 GMT -6
If your program is an absolute disaster from top to bottom or has limited success throughout the it's history, you have to change the culture of the community/school district or what your sub varsities do will have no impact on the Varsity because you are only replacing bad oil with more bad oil. However, I've been amazed at the way things go here in Northwest Corpus Christi with the TM/Calallen thing and I focus on two sports-baseball and football. At least until the select thing go going as it is now, most of these kids played (and still do in some instances) on the same youth league football and baseball teams. When they go to out of the area to match up against teams from around the state, they do pretty darn good (see Oil Belt LL). But when they get to Middle School or Sub Varisty football or baseball, TM is what it is (not good) and Calallen is what it is (good). In other words, the emphasis TM puts on winning football games over the years at the middle school is not anywhere to be found whereas in Calallen, you are expected to win out of the gate. So TM goes into high school already a whipped horse with low expectations and Calallen's kids have high expectations put on them. At times they don't meet them and a few times they over-exceed them and shock the world when they get to varisty. The exact opposite is the case in basketball where Calallen doesn't put the sport as priority where as TM does in the middle school and more time than another, we lose to TM. And when they get to high school, TM's kids are much better prepared than Calallen's kids for the hard wood with some exceptions.
As far as the direct impact the sub varsities have on the varsity, in forms of Win-loss I really don't think at the end of the day most coaches care in those team win district every year because they know the law of averages are going to call for that to be impossible. Besides, it doesn't make headlines in the paper or nightly TV sports. That's not to say they don't care if they are perennial loser or .500 clubs year in and year out too. If they go 9-1, 8-2, etc and within those losses, they execute their assignments, position players get their reps and maybe some that need more reps in all positions contribute in a meaningful manner, then a loss or two is not that big of a deal, IMO. They know their JV QB if he is Sophomore and depending on the program is two or three injuries away from being the varsity QB if all heck breaks lose and the injury bug or grades rear their ugly heads in an unusual way. The great thing about football since you have 11 players on the field at one time and you platooning players in and out on each play, you are able to get those reps established for many players on the sub varsity rosters. In sports like baseball and basketball, not so much if your coach is only focused on the W/L record and that can be a negative later on down the road.
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Post by sandcrabs04 on Jul 29, 2013 9:00:17 GMT -6
Our last senior class went 0-20 as 7th and 8th graders. As frfreshman they finally won a few games . Then they were JV kids till they were seniors for the most part. What Whitaker did an Excellent job of. Was keeping those kids together. Whilr they weren't overely talented. He developed them into good high school football players. They played key roles their senior year. He kept them out an involved. Sold them on his program and they went 10-1 as seniors. If you develop your program properly. You can weather a less talented class. They worked very hard. That is 7th and 8th grade, plus you didn't figure in the Seadrift's kids into the factor. My real guess is that coach Whit wasn't the HC., even if he was it was probably his 1st year there. Good try though. No. He was head coach. Wanna know who tje JH coaches were too?? I could tell you. And the 6tj graders in seadrift play. Not enough 7th and 8tj grade boys Daniels is Huge and athletic His cousin played in tje nfl as well
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Post by sandcrabs04 on Jul 29, 2013 9:01:56 GMT -6
In that was his secind group of kids that were strictly his. Never haven been coached by another AD.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 29, 2013 9:05:49 GMT -6
I've always wondered how much of a correlation there is between success on subvarsity teams (JV, freshman, even middle school) and the varsity team down the road. It seems a lot of people make a big deal out of it, but I haven't seen any confirmation of it. I would think that in some programs, the players would see more growth after their freshman and sophomore years. Winning is better than losing but winning at the sub varsity level does not always translate as much as losing does. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is good to win but winning at the middle school, fresh, or JV levels does not equate to something necessarily great at the varsity level. My younger brothers class was 0-16 in 7th and 8th grade, 2-8 as freshman, and 5-5 as JV and then his Sr year they lost to Calallen in the 3rd round of the playoffs with a 10-3 record. I think it all depends on the kids and just 'how hungry' and 'coachable' they are!
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Post by Tom on Jul 29, 2013 11:07:22 GMT -6
Yep. I'm in agreement. The important thing is that the kids grow and develop in the program. IMO, you don't want the subvarsity teams going 1-9 just because kids will get sick of the losing and quit. Tom, that doesn't happen here in Alice. in 7th and 8th grade, we have three teams competing. The freshman and J.V. are split into two different teams to encourage the kids to stay in the program, and give the coaches a good look at what we have coming up the pipeline. Guyer does the same thing... two freshman teams, two JV teams (though they don't have a "sophomore" team -- basically the most advanced players are on JV Black, the less advanced go on JV Silver, regardless of what grade they're in.)
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Post by Tom on Jul 29, 2013 11:16:40 GMT -6
If your program is an absolute disaster from top to bottom or has limited success throughout the it's history, you have to change the culture of the community/school district or what your sub varsities do will have no impact on the Varsity because you are only replacing bad oil with more bad oil. However, I've been amazed at the way things go here in Northwest Corpus Christi with the TM/Calallen thing and I focus on two sports-baseball and football. At least until the select thing go going as it is now, most of these kids played (and still do in some instances) on the same youth league football and baseball teams. When they go to out of the area to match up against teams from around the state, they do pretty darn good (see Oil Belt LL). But when they get to Middle School or Sub Varisty football or baseball, TM is what it is (not good) and Calallen is what it is (good). In other words, the emphasis TM puts on winning football games over the years at the middle school is not anywhere to be found whereas in Calallen, you are expected to win out of the gate. So TM goes into high school already a whipped horse with low expectations and Calallen's kids have high expectations put on them. At times they don't meet them and a few times they over-exceed them and shock the world when they get to varisty. The exact opposite is the case in basketball where Calallen doesn't put the sport as priority where as TM does in the middle school and more time than another, we lose to TM. And when they get to high school, TM's kids are much better prepared than Calallen's kids for the hard wood with some exceptions. As far as the direct impact the sub varsities have on the varsity, in forms of Win-loss I really don't think at the end of the day most coaches care in those team win district every year because they know the law of averages are going to call for that to be impossible. Besides, it doesn't make headlines in the paper or nightly TV sports. That's not to say they don't care if they are perennial loser or .500 clubs year in and year out too. If they go 9-1, 8-2, etc and within those losses, they execute their assignments, position players get their reps and maybe some that need more reps in all positions contribute in a meaningful manner, then a loss or two is not that big of a deal, IMO. They know their JV QB if he is Sophomore and depending on the program is two or three injuries away from being the varsity QB if all heck breaks lose and the injury bug or grades rear their ugly heads in an unusual way. The great thing about football since you have 11 players on the field at one time and you platooning players in and out on each play, you are able to get those reps established for many players on the sub varsity rosters. In sports like baseball and basketball, not so much if your coach is only focused on the W/L record and that can be a negative later on down the road. These are some interesting thoughts. Does TM have problems with numbers, with kids quitting the program in middle school or just not coming out for football to begin with? From what I understand Calallen used to be awful before Danaher came along. I agree about the culture. The fact is that most kids coming into the program are about the same. I mean, yeah, you're going to have a few kids that are beasts but those are few and far between (just like, really, FBS prospects are few and far between.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 12:12:51 GMT -6
If your program is an absolute disaster from top to bottom or has limited success throughout the it's history, you have to change the culture of the community/school district or what your sub varsities do will have no impact on the Varsity because you are only replacing bad oil with more bad oil. However, I've been amazed at the way things go here in Northwest Corpus Christi with the TM/Calallen thing and I focus on two sports-baseball and football. At least until the select thing go going as it is now, most of these kids played (and still do in some instances) on the same youth league football and baseball teams. When they go to out of the area to match up against teams from around the state, they do pretty darn good (see Oil Belt LL). But when they get to Middle School or Sub Varisty football or baseball, TM is what it is (not good) and Calallen is what it is (good). In other words, the emphasis TM puts on winning football games over the years at the middle school is not anywhere to be found whereas in Calallen, you are expected to win out of the gate. So TM goes into high school already a whipped horse with low expectations and Calallen's kids have high expectations put on them. At times they don't meet them and a few times they over-exceed them and shock the world when they get to varisty. The exact opposite is the case in basketball where Calallen doesn't put the sport as priority where as TM does in the middle school and more time than another, we lose to TM. And when they get to high school, TM's kids are much better prepared than Calallen's kids for the hard wood with some exceptions. As far as the direct impact the sub varsities have on the varsity, in forms of Win-loss I really don't think at the end of the day most coaches care in those team win district every year because they know the law of averages are going to call for that to be impossible. Besides, it doesn't make headlines in the paper or nightly TV sports. That's not to say they don't care if they are perennial loser or .500 clubs year in and year out too. If they go 9-1, 8-2, etc and within those losses, they execute their assignments, position players get their reps and maybe some that need more reps in all positions contribute in a meaningful manner, then a loss or two is not that big of a deal, IMO. They know their JV QB if he is Sophomore and depending on the program is two or three injuries away from being the varsity QB if all heck breaks lose and the injury bug or grades rear their ugly heads in an unusual way. The great thing about football since you have 11 players on the field at one time and you platooning players in and out on each play, you are able to get those reps established for many players on the sub varsity rosters. In sports like baseball and basketball, not so much if your coach is only focused on the W/L record and that can be a negative later on down the road. These are some interesting thoughts. Does TM have problems with numbers, with kids quitting the program in middle school or just not coming out for football to begin with? From what I understand Calallen used to be awful before Danaher came along. I agree about the culture. The fact is that most kids coming into the program are about the same. I mean, yeah, you're going to have a few kids that are beasts but those are few and far between (just like, really, FBS prospects are few and far between.) Yes, Calallen was pretty awful. But it took community dedication to reverse it. TM has comparable numbers in the middle school level, they just never have the leadership from the top. And it's not because TM is a poor district as they are listed as property rich district thanks to the tax receipts they get from the refinery properties in their district. So they've always had the funds available to hire a good AD, they just haven't until recent as Boone is a good coach. But if he somehow turns things around, if TM doesn't pay him accordingly, I wouldn't doubt he might move on if someone comes calling with a bigger paycheck. If you look at a more recent example, Lake Travis was horrible in the 80's and the 90's with a few good years here and there. But as they moved into 4A and their school district continued to expand, they saw the opportunity to reinvent the wheel and reinvented they did. The community decided to invest in the infrastructure and people to run the whole athletic program and it paid off in football as we've seen. They also got a top notch youth league system in that part of Austin and surrounding area which has helped produce stellar teams in both girls and boys sports including basketball, volleyball and baseball. Some people around here call that recruiting.
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Post by Tom on Jul 29, 2013 14:35:06 GMT -6
These are some interesting thoughts. Does TM have problems with numbers, with kids quitting the program in middle school or just not coming out for football to begin with? From what I understand Calallen used to be awful before Danaher came along. I agree about the culture. The fact is that most kids coming into the program are about the same. I mean, yeah, you're going to have a few kids that are beasts but those are few and far between (just like, really, FBS prospects are few and far between.) Yes, Calallen was pretty awful. But it took community dedication to reverse it. TM has comparable numbers in the middle school level, they just never have the leadership from the top. And it's not because TM is a poor district as they are listed as property rich district thanks to the tax receipts they get from the refinery properties in their district. So they've always had the funds available to hire a good AD, they just haven't until recent as Boone is a good coach. But if he somehow turns things around, if TM doesn't pay him accordingly, I wouldn't doubt he might move on if someone comes calling with a bigger paycheck. If you look at a more recent example, Lake Travis was horrible in the 80's and the 90's with a few good years here and there. But as they moved into 4A and their school district continued to expand, they saw the opportunity to reinvent the wheel and reinvented they did. The community decided to invest in the infrastructure and people to run the whole athletic program and it paid off in football as we've seen. They also got a top notch youth league system in that part of Austin and surrounding area which has helped produce stellar teams in both girls and boys sports including basketball, volleyball and baseball. Some people around here call that recruiting. I think that's probably the biggest advantage that you have as an ISD with only one high school. In multiple-school ISDs, the district can't upgrade facilities without being accused of "playing favorites." Plus you're at the mercy of new schools opening or attendance boundary changes. Imagine a kid's in your system up until the eighth grade, and then the district decides to rezone his house for a different school! It's probably all right if you're in a district that's already built out, since the district probably won't be building any new high schools or doing much rezoning.
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Post by tomseaver on Jul 29, 2013 14:41:57 GMT -6
Guyer has 2 middle schools that feed into the HS. One of these groups has gone 28-2 from 7th grade through their Fr year. I think there is extremely high expectations from this group as they finish HS. I think they believe that over the next 3 years, Guyer should be in a place to pick up 2 more state titles.
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Post by Tom on Jul 29, 2013 14:46:29 GMT -6
Guyer has 2 middle schools that feed into the HS. One of these groups has gone 28-2 from 7th grade through their Fr year. I think there is extremely high expectations from this group as they finish HS. I think they believe that over the next 3 years, Guyer should be in a place to pick up 2 more state titles. ah, yeah, you're right, since they're opening the seventh middle school Crownover won't be feeding to Ryan any more.
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Post by cochino on Jul 29, 2013 17:44:11 GMT -6
These are some interesting thoughts. Does TM have problems with numbers, with kids quitting the program in middle school or just not coming out for football to begin with? From what I understand Calallen used to be awful before Danaher came along. I agree about the culture. The fact is that most kids coming into the program are about the same. I mean, yeah, you're going to have a few kids that are beasts but those are few and far between (just like, really, FBS prospects are few and far between.) Yes, Calallen was pretty awful. But it took community dedication to reverse it. TM has comparable numbers in the middle school level, they just never have the leadership from the top. And it's not because TM is a poor district as they are listed as property rich district thanks to the tax receipts they get from the refinery properties in their district. So they've always had the funds available to hire a good AD, they just haven't until recent as Boone is a good coach. But if he somehow turns things around, if TM doesn't pay him accordingly, I wouldn't doubt he might move on if someone comes calling with a bigger paycheck. If you look at a more recent example, Lake Travis was horrible in the 80's and the 90's with a few good years here and there. But as they moved into 4A and their school district continued to expand, they saw the opportunity to reinvent the wheel and reinvented they did. The community decided to invest in the infrastructure and people to run the whole athletic program and it paid off in football as we've seen. They also got a top notch youth league system in that part of Austin and surrounding area which has helped produce stellar teams in both girls and boys sports including basketball, volleyball and baseball. Some people around here call that recruiting. Community dedication? Yeah that community dedication really showed when all of no more than 100 of your fans showed up for the 2nd round playoff game verses Alice. Be honest dude. Everyone in here supports the idea of transfers anyway. Danaher steals kids. Just admit it, everyone already knows. And yes some of your transfers are legit and nothing to do with Danaher recruiting. But he does recruit. Danaher changed things because of his ability to recruit, not his ability to coach. Why do you think with all the success Danaher has had, that he has never moved to a bigger school and for more money? I'll tell you why, because he already has his little recruiting system in place. And so what if he moves to another school and he can't get away with the recruiting there? To me that is why he stays in Calallen.
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Post by sotex on Jul 29, 2013 18:52:42 GMT -6
Yes, Calallen was pretty awful. But it took community dedication to reverse it. TM has comparable numbers in the middle school level, they just never have the leadership from the top. And it's not because TM is a poor district as they are listed as property rich district thanks to the tax receipts they get from the refinery properties in their district. So they've always had the funds available to hire a good AD, they just haven't until recent as Boone is a good coach. But if he somehow turns things around, if TM doesn't pay him accordingly, I wouldn't doubt he might move on if someone comes calling with a bigger paycheck. If you look at a more recent example, Lake Travis was horrible in the 80's and the 90's with a few good years here and there. But as they moved into 4A and their school district continued to expand, they saw the opportunity to reinvent the wheel and reinvented they did. The community decided to invest in the infrastructure and people to run the whole athletic program and it paid off in football as we've seen. They also got a top notch youth league system in that part of Austin and surrounding area which has helped produce stellar teams in both girls and boys sports including basketball, volleyball and baseball. Some people around here call that recruiting. Community dedication? Yeah that community dedication really showed when all of no more than 100 of your fans showed up for the 2nd round playoff game verses Alice. Be honest dude. Everyone in here supports the idea of transfers anyway. Danaher steals kids. Just admit it, everyone already knows. And yes some of your transfers are legit and nothing to do with Danaher recruiting. But he does recruit. Danaher changed things because of his ability to recruit, not his ability to coach. Why do you think with all the success Danaher has had, that he has never moved to a bigger school and for more money? I'll tell you why, because he already has his little recruiting system in place. And so what if he moves to another school and he can't get away with the recruiting there? To me that is why he stays in Calallen. I am going to have to disagree with some of the points you made here cochino. Danaher is probably one of the most highest paid A.D.'S in the state, so why would he want to leave? 2nd, I don't know if he recruits or not, but what I do know is that parents from Alice, and I am sure other places have moved to Calallen for other reasons other than sports. Preston Dorsey is a good example. I know his parents personally, and they moved to Calallen because our school district is a mess. My wife taught school in this district for 16 years until she couldn't take it anymore. She went to Orange Grove to teach, and took our daughter with her. The difference between Orange Grove and Alice is night and day and that is why they have many transfers from Alice. I hope with the new supt. and high school principal, they can turn things around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 19:04:36 GMT -6
Yes, Calallen was pretty awful. But it took community dedication to reverse it. TM has comparable numbers in the middle school level, they just never have the leadership from the top. And it's not because TM is a poor district as they are listed as property rich district thanks to the tax receipts they get from the refinery properties in their district. So they've always had the funds available to hire a good AD, they just haven't until recent as Boone is a good coach. But if he somehow turns things around, if TM doesn't pay him accordingly, I wouldn't doubt he might move on if someone comes calling with a bigger paycheck. If you look at a more recent example, Lake Travis was horrible in the 80's and the 90's with a few good years here and there. But as they moved into 4A and their school district continued to expand, they saw the opportunity to reinvent the wheel and reinvented they did. The community decided to invest in the infrastructure and people to run the whole athletic program and it paid off in football as we've seen. They also got a top notch youth league system in that part of Austin and surrounding area which has helped produce stellar teams in both girls and boys sports including basketball, volleyball and baseball. Some people around here call that recruiting. Community dedication? Yeah that community dedication really showed when all of no more than 100 of your fans showed up for the 2nd round playoff game verses Alice. Be honest dude. Everyone in here supports the idea of transfers anyway. Danaher steals kids. Just admit it, everyone already knows. And yes some of your transfers are legit and nothing to do with Danaher recruiting. But he does recruit. Danaher changed things because of his ability to recruit, not his ability to coach. Why do you think with all the success Danaher has had, that he has never moved to a bigger school and for more money? I'll tell you why, because he already has his little recruiting system in place. And so what if he moves to another school and he can't get away with the recruiting there? To me that is why he stays in Calallen. You are so full of crap, you don't need to sit on the toilet to relieve yourself. It comes out of your mouth every time you open it or post something on here.
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