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Post by Tom on Jul 28, 2013 13:01:36 GMT -6
Ingleside usually keeps its freshman team intact and their junior varsity team is a usually a handful of player who are clearly not varsity ready yet that lose most of their games, us being a 3a school we tend to have more under classman on varsity, just a few years ago we had a freshman who was our starting QB and a sophomore who was our starting RB, this year that freshman is entering his senior season as a four year starter...about 5 years ago we had 3 freshman starting on varsity, and last year we had none but we had 4 sophomores starting...this year I believe there is one freshman who will see plenty of playing time but not sure if he will start. I don't think you have to be dominate at the JV level to be a good varsity team. I can see you point in the lower classifications. There are not enough kids to go around, but when you get to the 4-A-5-A level, you typically won't see many sophomores, much less freshman starting at the varsity level. Our program is large enough to have two freshman and two J.V. teams. A good program should have their players at the position they will be playing by the 9th grade. Granted, their may be a few position change, but not much. Here is a good read on our youth football in Alice. www.alicetx.com/sports/article_3fb3be35-46cb-5938-a3db-f383486342af.htmlWell, that part depends. If you're like the Denton schools, the middle school boundaries don't overlap, so freshman year is the first chance the high school coaches really get to work with the kids. Most programs that I know of will still have kids playing both ways and experimenting at different positions on the freshman team, and may still move some around after that. Guyer's backup QB is moving to WR this year simply because there's no way he's going to play at QB (barring an injury) and the coaches want to get his athleticism on the field. A lot depends on your varsity numbers, of course. Guyer can usually afford to groom the sophomore prospects for a year on JV (unless the kid forces the issue) but a program like Wichita Falls often throws them into the fire because they have to.
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 13:06:06 GMT -6
I can see you point in the lower classifications. There are not enough kids to go around, but when you get to the 4-A-5-A level, you typically won't see many sophomores, much less freshman starting at the varsity level. Our program is large enough to have two freshman and two J.V. teams. A good program should have their players at the position they will be playing by the 9th grade. Granted, their may be a few position change, but not much. Here is a good read on our youth football in Alice. www.alicetx.com/sports/article_3fb3be35-46cb-5938-a3db-f383486342af.htmlWell, that part depends. If you're like the Denton schools, the middle school boundaries don't overlap, so freshman year is the first chance the high school coaches really get to work with the kids. Most programs that I know of will still have kids playing both ways and experimenting at different positions on the freshman team, and may still move some around after that. Guyer's backup QB is moving to WR this year simply because there's no way he's going to play at QB (barring an injury) and the coaches want to get his athleticism on the field. A lot depends on your varsity numbers, of course. Guyer can usually afford to groom the sophomore prospects for a year on JV (unless the kid forces the issue) but a program like Wichita Falls often throws them into the fire because they have to. I see your point there. Our kids are in the same system starting in 7th grade.
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Post by Laredo_Sports on Jul 28, 2013 13:43:18 GMT -6
The coaching has a lot to do with it. JV is more fun than Varsity. Varsity is when you need to get your act together. There is more stress in Varsity. I have seen teams dominate in JV but when the 2 teams meet again in there Varsity debut, they get wiped out. This is why I dont go to JV games whatsoever, unless I want to take a good look at some players. The chemistry in JV is that you may have a lot of friends playing there as opposed to Varsity where you may be a stranger to upperclassmen.
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 14:10:57 GMT -6
The coaching has a lot to do with it. JV is more fun than Varsity. Varsity is when you need to get your act together. There is more stress in Varsity. I have seen teams dominate in JV but when the 2 teams meet again in there Varsity debut, they get wiped out. This is why I dont go to JV games whatsoever, unless I want to take a good look at some players. The chemistry in JV is that you may have a lot of friends playing there as opposed to Varsity where you may be a stranger to upperclassmen. I guess it depends on the program. I know coach Soza and his coaching staff put great emphasis on our sub varsity programs.
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Post by crab#21 on Jul 28, 2013 15:02:04 GMT -6
I think the JV squad is more serious then that due to the fact that some are fighting to get a spot on varsity early on. Kind of the minors with the option to be moved up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 15:02:37 GMT -6
The answer to the question of this thread is "not much". How a school performs at the JV level has no bearing on how the team will perform on the varsity level.
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Post by Purp on Jul 28, 2013 15:18:19 GMT -6
I respectfully disagree with those that say it doesn't matter. One reason and one reason only.
Part of winning is LEARNING to win.
That needs to take place ASAP before the kids get to the varsity level. Learning to win is part of life and blends with the kids other activities as well. Not that losing is unacceptable, but the learning part of winning is knowing not to let up, and not to ever give up and learning not to settle for failure.
All to often have I seen teams play Calhoun JV and varsity, and they knew they were beat before the first snap. If those kids just believed they could win and anything is possible, then you never know what can happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 16:01:39 GMT -6
Just to set the record straight: GP only had 2 sophs and 1 freshman on their varsity last year. The fish wasn't moved up until later in the year and hardly played. Winning is always better than losing, but it also depends on how the staff treats the sub varsities. You can have good talent/bad record if the intent is to experiment with kids in various positions to try and find their best spot for when they are on varsity. Total B.S. G-P had two freshman and two sophomores on varsity last year and all four of those kids will be starting on varsity this year.
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Post by dtrain on Jul 28, 2013 17:12:09 GMT -6
5-5 in 5A? Would you guys have won 5A last year, like not. Georgetown was nothing in 5A,, but rolled through 4A... Your dropping to 4A made that 5-5 fish team's senior year a little easier. What they do as sophomores is more telling of their development. P-ville had a very good freshman team with Storm Woods, now at Oregon State. They played varsity and made playoffs 10th-11th grade years, BUT did not make playoffs their senior year vs. kids they dominated as 9th graders.
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Post by Laredo_Sports on Jul 28, 2013 18:13:34 GMT -6
United JV beat Del Rio, Macarthur. Will they beat them again? Could possibly but the newcomers have not faced Demetrius Brock or Del Rio's Varsity D.
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 19:01:11 GMT -6
I respectfully disagree with those that say it doesn't matter. One reason and one reason only. Part of winning is LEARNING to win. That needs to take place ASAP before the kids get to the varsity level. Learning to win is part of life and blends with the kids other activities as well. Not that losing is unacceptable, but the learning part of winning is knowing not to let up, and not to ever give up and learning not to settle for failure. All to often have I seen teams play Calhoun JV and varsity, and they knew they were beat before the first snap. If those kids just believed they could win and anything is possible, then you never know what can happen. Exactly, and that is why PLC has a winning program.
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 19:08:38 GMT -6
The answer to the question of this thread is "not much". How a school performs at the JV level has no bearing on how the team will perform on the varsity level. Again, this is total B.S. I realize that G.P.'s sub varsities weren't very good last year, and I think you are covering up for that. Face it, your sub varsities are your feeder programs. Now, In G.P'S defense, the kids had to learn a new offense and defense, so that could have a bearing on how the kids performed at the sub varsity levels. Only time will tell in the coming years how your team is going to do.
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Post by Groundhog on Jul 28, 2013 19:55:34 GMT -6
The answer to the question of this thread is "not much". How a school performs at the JV level has no bearing on how the team will perform on the varsity level. Again, this is total B.S. I realize that G.P.'s sub varsities weren't very good last year, and I think you are covering up for that. Face it, your sub varsities are your feeder programs. Now, In G.P'S defense, the kids had to learn a new offense and defense, so that could have a bearing on how the kids performed at the sub varsity levels. Only time will tell in the coming years how your team is going to do. No one is making excuses for our program. It was his opinion. If we go by your logic, Alice would have beat Gp last year.
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Post by sotex on Jul 28, 2013 20:17:43 GMT -6
Again, this is total B.S. I realize that G.P.'s sub varsities weren't very good last year, and I think you are covering up for that. Face it, your sub varsities are your feeder programs. Now, In G.P'S defense, the kids had to learn a new offense and defense, so that could have a bearing on how the kids performed at the sub varsity levels. Only time will tell in the coming years how your team is going to do. No one is making excuses for our program. It was his opinion. If we go by your logic, Alice would have beat Gp last year. What? Our sub varsities didn't start jelling until the last two years. If it weren't for all the turnovers on special teams, that game would have been a different story. We did out gain y'all in total yards, but yes you guys won and that's all that counts. I am looking forward to this years game, when we come to your stadium. Btw, we beat Calallen, and y'all didn't LMAO.
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Post by Tom on Jul 28, 2013 20:22:47 GMT -6
5-5 in 5A? Would you guys have won 5A last year, like not. Georgetown was nothing in 5A,, but rolled through 4A... Your dropping to 4A made that 5-5 fish team's senior year a little easier. What they do as sophomores is more telling of their development. P-ville had a very good freshman team with Storm Woods, now at Oregon State. They played varsity and made playoffs 10th-11th grade years, BUT did not make playoffs their senior year vs. kids they dominated as 9th graders. no... that 5-5 fish team was in 4A (2009.) Guyer's 5A years were 2010-11.
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