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Post by SCBuffaloes16 on Jul 24, 2013 16:08:59 GMT -6
Kerrville's visitor side is the worst. Now talk about tiny there.
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Post by antlers on Jul 24, 2013 16:39:26 GMT -6
HAHA! I hear you scbuffknight it is pretty small but I think its done on purpose. But we had a bond passed so the stadium will have some upgrades coming in the future. I think they will start after the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 19:15:33 GMT -6
Calallen visitor side is bad? Since when? Anyhow, construction should start on the indoor practice facility, the new swimming pool and the FEMA safe room or dome which will be used by the athletic dept for a new weight room and locker rooms for the other outside sports like soccer, track, etc. All of this will be located right next to the existing field house. "FEMA" safe room? In other words your school district is taking advantage of a loophole to get the government to pay for your new facilities? Genius. I wish Alice would do that. Not quite Einstein. School district is picking a good chunk of the tab.
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Post by Tom on Jul 24, 2013 19:23:12 GMT -6
Bay City Memorial comes to mind. It only holds 6000, dimly lit, no visitor parking except on the street, the grass usually looks lousy, and no drainage. I doubt they'll ever get turf. When Chad Morris was the coach there, he once had a helicopter come out and hover over the field on game day after a rain to try to get rid of the water standing on the field. I still remember Pearland's stadium too before they got "The Rig". It was called Pressner and you had to park on the grass and then wade through the mud to get into the stadium if it had rained. They had wood bleachers and as you walked to your seat you would get a sinking feeling as the foot boards would flex. You could hardly hear the speaker and sometimes they woudn't mow the grass and band members would complain about having to march on it. Back in Tennessee there were rumors of schools that would intentionally not let the field drain or let the grass grow a little high if the other team had a good running back... If that's what Bay City is up to, it's not helping them much.
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Post by Tom on Jul 24, 2013 19:24:29 GMT -6
I have to agree with Stiffy that the Calallen Visitors side is not bad. The parking is available if you show up before gametime. It is metal bleachers, so bring a cushion seat if you need one. The concession and restrooms were adequate. That one in Kingsville that FBfan mentioned is by far the worst 4A Stadium in Texas. If you have not experienced a game there then you have nothing to complain about. But MOPAC in Kingsville is used only for sub varsity and middle school games. Varsity games are at Javelina which is quite nice. yeah, stadiums used for sub-varsity games don't really count. Most of the time that's the old high school stadium that they replaced 20 years ago, LOL.
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Post by cochino on Jul 24, 2013 19:24:36 GMT -6
"FEMA" safe room? In other words your school district is taking advantage of a loophole to get the government to pay for your new facilities? Genius. I wish Alice would do that. Not quite Einstein. School district is picking a good chunk of the tab. Yes it's not 100% payed for by the government. But it is 100% B.S. and you know it. I saw where another school got an entire new basketball gym built for them by claiming it's for FEMA use also. It's shady and a loophole. I'd expect nothing less from a program that already steals other schools players. Go Cats!!! lol.
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Post by Tom on Jul 24, 2013 19:32:55 GMT -6
Not quite Einstein. School district is picking a good chunk of the tab. Yes it's not 100% payed for by the government. But it is 100% B.S. and you know it. I saw where another school got an entire new basketball gym built for them by claiming it's for FEMA use also. It's shady and a loophole. I'd expect nothing less from a program that already steals other schools players. Go Cats!!! lol. I somehow see this as a better use of government funds than having a FEMA safe room that sits empty 99% of the time.
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Post by cochino on Jul 24, 2013 19:54:00 GMT -6
Yes it's not 100% payed for by the government. But it is 100% B.S. and you know it. I saw where another school got an entire new basketball gym built for them by claiming it's for FEMA use also. It's shady and a loophole. I'd expect nothing less from a program that already steals other schools players. Go Cats!!! lol. I somehow see this as a better use of government funds than having a FEMA safe room that sits empty 99% of the time. Yeah but a room that was built strictly as a FEMA safe room wouldn't cost 5% of what these facilities are gonna cost. And still it's shady practices by the school districts to do these things. I don't want my taxes going to pay for Calallen to have a new indoor training facility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:40:06 GMT -6
Not quite Einstein. School district is picking a good chunk of the tab. Yes it's not 100% payed for by the government. But it is 100% B.S. and you know it. I saw where another school got an entire new basketball gym built for them by claiming it's for FEMA use also. It's shady and a loophole. I'd expect nothing less from a program that already steals other schools players. Go Cats!!! lol. Let me educate you here about all of this altough it might be like educating a fence post. From what I understand, FEMA through the State of Texas or whatever state (as they are building these things in coastal zones from Texas to the East Coast) awards these grants to the city or county governments. Then the city or county have the option to partner with a school district or another governmental entity or go it alone and build it themselves on city owned property. They cannot be built it in flood zones for one because it will be a base for recovery efforts if and when a storm hits the coast, so that leaves out a bunch of CCSID schools and city property out of the equation as a good chunk of the city east of Saratoga is in a FEMA designated flood zone. Second, the city of Corpus Christi doesn't own a whole lot of vacant properties on this side of the city and we shouldn't want them to especially if they can be developed into tax generating property such as commerical, industrial or residential developments so they can produce property taxes and sales taxes. Going out and buying property would also increase the total cost to city taxpayers. So the City approached the school districts out here as TM is getting two and the county approached Robstown and they are getting one. Kingsville is gettting a few also that are being built on school grounds as well from what I understand. I don't know if Alice qualifies because it's not in a coastal county, but if Jim Wells County or the City of Alice gets a FEMA grant to build one of these facilites and you want to use it for playing tiddly winks and hopscotch in it, so be it. The way I see it, based on the demographcs (incomes) of the Calallen ISD area, we probably pay alot more in Federal taxes than we get in return as far as federal education dollars unlike some school districts who have special offices and directors whose primary job is to adminsister federal programs and apply for grants left and right. So if we get a tiny bit of our tax money coming back and it can be utilized and most importantaly taken care in a proper way which it will here, then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:56:57 GMT -6
I somehow see this as a better use of government funds than having a FEMA safe room that sits empty 99% of the time. Yeah but a room that was built strictly as a FEMA safe room wouldn't cost 5% of what these facilities are gonna cost. And still it's shady practices by the school districts to do these things. I don't want my taxes going to pay for Calallen to have a new indoor training facility. The indoor training faciilty and pool are paid for by the Calallen taxpayers 100% via bond money The FEMA room is just going to be utilize for locker rooms and the large floor space area , which has to be left unobstructed, is going to be a new weight room faclitly. If FEMA or the state calls to use, the weight get moved out and locker rooms vacated and the Feds and State come in. And we as local taxpayers are paying for a good percentage of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:59:13 GMT -6
Bay City Memorial comes to mind. It only holds 6000, dimly lit, no visitor parking except on the street, the grass usually looks lousy, and no drainage. I doubt they'll ever get turf. When Chad Morris was the coach there, he once had a helicopter come out and hover over the field on game day after a rain to try to get rid of the water standing on the field. I still remember Pearland's stadium too before they got "The Rig". It was called Pressner and you had to park on the grass and then wade through the mud to get into the stadium if it had rained. They had wood bleachers and as you walked to your seat you would get a sinking feeling as the foot boards would flex. You could hardly hear the speaker and sometimes they woudn't mow the grass and band members would complain about having to march on it. Back in Tennessee there were rumors of schools that would intentionally not let the field drain or let the grass grow a little high if the other team had a good running back... If that's what Bay City is up to, it's not helping them much. That was common practice once upon a time here in Texas. Along with adding a couple of inches of water to the field during a nice quick rain shower.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 25, 2013 6:18:56 GMT -6
Back in Tennessee there were rumors of schools that would intentionally not let the field drain or let the grass grow a little high if the other team had a good running back... If that's what Bay City is up to, it's not helping them much. That was common practice once upon a time here in Texas. Along with adding a couple of inches of water to the field during a nice quick rain shower. From the Redskins George Allen school of coaching. Sometimes you could not see the Cowboys ankles for the grass or see their jersey numbers from the mud after a couple of tackles.
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Post by cochino on Jul 25, 2013 7:40:28 GMT -6
Yes it's not 100% payed for by the government. But it is 100% B.S. and you know it. I saw where another school got an entire new basketball gym built for them by claiming it's for FEMA use also. It's shady and a loophole. I'd expect nothing less from a program that already steals other schools players. Go Cats!!! lol. Let me educate you here about all of this altough it might be like educating a fence post. From what I understand, FEMA through the State of Texas or whatever state (as they are building these things in coastal zones from Texas to the East Coast) awards these grants to the city or county governments. Then the city or county have the option to partner with a school district or another governmental entity or go it alone and build it themselves on city owned property. They cannot be built it in flood zones for one because it will be a base for recovery efforts if and when a storm hits the coast, so that leaves out a bunch of CCSID schools and city property out of the equation as a good chunk of the city east of Saratoga is in a FEMA designated flood zone. Second, the city of Corpus Christi doesn't own a whole lot of vacant properties on this side of the city and we shouldn't want them to especially if they can be developed into tax generating property such as commerical, industrial or residential developments so they can produce property taxes and sales taxes. Going out and buying property would also increase the total cost to city taxpayers. So the City approached the school districts out here as TM is getting two and the county approached Robstown and they are getting one. Kingsville is gettting a few also that are being built on school grounds as well from what I understand. I don't know if Alice qualifies because it's not in a coastal county, but if Jim Wells County or the City of Alice gets a FEMA grant to build one of these facilites and you want to use it for playing tiddly winks and hopscotch in it, so be it. The way I see it, based on the demographcs (incomes) of the Calallen ISD area, we probably pay alot more in Federal taxes than we get in return as far as federal education dollars unlike some school districts who have special offices and directors whose primary job is to adminsister federal programs and apply for grants left and right. So if we get a tiny bit of our tax money coming back and it can be utilized and most importantaly taken care in a proper way which it will here, then so be it. A whole lot of nonsense. It's shady and you know it. I'm sure it made you feel smart to write an essay but it's an essay of nonsense. They've had specials about this junk on the news. It's shady no matter how you word it in a comment.
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Post by warcat82 on Jul 25, 2013 11:03:16 GMT -6
I have to agree with Stiffy that the Calallen Visitors side is not bad. The parking is available if you show up before gametime. It is metal bleachers, so bring a cushion seat if you need one. The concession and restrooms were adequate. That one in Kingsville that FBfan mentioned is by far the worst 4A Stadium in Texas. If you have not experienced a game there then you have nothing to complain about. But MOPAC in Kingsville is used only for sub varsity and middle school games. Varsity games are at Javelina which is quite nice. Having coached for Kingsville several years ago, as far as football goes you are correct only subvarsity games are played there. But that is where they hold all soccer games. I'm not sure if they still do this but when they know a great soccer team is coming to play there, they do not cut the grass so that it is overgrown by game time and the ball does not move as well unless you get it up in the air. And to add to it the light poles are nearly on the game field it's crazy. Both bleachers are termite infested and cracking. You get splinters in your butt half the time.... Now for football yes Beeville is terrible but they did do some small improvements several years ago before and during Soza... With that being said, it's sad to think that even with improvements it is still terrible. Also, I want to add the skidmore-tynan stadium is terrible too. I went to play there one time and they had 3 inch trenches for line markers and hash marks, not to mention it's in the middle of a cow pasture so at that time cows were held back by a rickety barbed wire fence. Now I think they built a real fence around it but I've heard the trenches are still there and it's still at the cow pasture....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 12:04:32 GMT -6
But MOPAC in Kingsville is used only for sub varsity and middle school games. Varsity games are at Javelina which is quite nice. Having coached for Kingsville several years ago, as far as football goes you are correct only subvarsity games are played there. But that is where they hold all soccer games. I'm not sure if they still do this but when they know a great soccer team is coming to play there, they do not cut the grass so that it is overgrown by game time and the ball does not move as well unless you get it up in the air. And to add to it the light poles are nearly on the game field it's crazy. Both bleachers are termite infested and cracking. You get splinters in your butt half the time.... Now for football yes Beeville is terrible but they did do some small improvements several years ago before and during Soza... With that being said, it's sad to think that even with improvements it is still terrible. Also, I want to add the skidmore-tynan stadium is terrible too. I went to play there one time and they had 3 inch trenches for line markers and hash marks, not to mention it's in the middle of a cow pasture so at that time cows were held back by a rickety barbed wire fence. Now I think they built a real fence around it but I've heard the trenches are still there and it's still at the cow pasture.... I heard once upon a time, the AD back in the 80's tried to get the school district to build the high school their own stadium so they wouldn't have to lease Javelina and of course the school board said no. IS that correct? MOPAC is sort symbolic of what was and still is the Kingsville High School athletic program as it's been a secondary concern for decades by the community and school board. And yes, that has contributed to them losing student population to Corpus and other area schools with parents who might work at the University or the NAS who will commute. Living in the shadows of the great history of A&I football can do that I guess? Moving to 3A helped them, and they had some good showings when Whit was there and McClusky. In fact I think it was one of those teams in the mid 90's where I saw them play in those black and gold unis and I thought they were the Colorado Buffaloes because they were huge. I think they had two offensive linemen who signed schollies with TCU and one came back and made his name on the Javs after a year or two up there?
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