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Post by bubbme on Sept 28, 2024 8:18:58 GMT -6
For anyone who goes to a game at Pieper in the future, the parking makes New Braunfels look more than adequate (anyone who's been to a game there can assess how ridiculous that statement is!). Get here early! 45 minutes early wasn't early enough for me! NO WAY! Not possible. Especially considering New Braunfels HS is under renovation and expansion so the parking is worse still. But when it’s done in a few years, there should be double the parking capacity. But I guess I’ve been warned. NB travels to Pieper in a few weeks. Yeah, I was kinda thinking of you when I posted, but couldn't remember where the game was being played! |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 28, 2024 11:06:58 GMT -6
Everyone is idle next week?!?!? Even # of teams in the district so everyone has their off week at the same time. Odd # of teams in a district means 1 team every week of district is off. |
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Post by 210hillcountry on Sept 28, 2024 11:31:19 GMT -6
Bc v seguin was a track meet. The difference seemed to be the series when Navarette got injured and was out. The back up wasn’t bad - but the WR were dropping precision passes by #2 so when #9 went in they struggled more. BC had several starters on D out with illness and missing the LT. Respect to the offenses of both teams trying to bail out the defenses. Bye week comes at a great time. BC vs NB will be interesting for those 3 and 4 playoff spots.
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Post by BandidoNB on Sept 28, 2024 12:49:54 GMT -6
Bc v seguin was a track meet. The difference seemed to be the series when Navarette got injured and was out. The back up wasn’t bad - but the WR were dropping precision passes by #2 so when #9 went in they struggled more. BC had several starters on D out with illness and missing the LT. Respect to the offenses of both teams trying to bail out the defenses. Bye week comes at a great time. BC vs NB will be interesting for those 3 and 4 playoff spots. I’m not confident on New Braunfels being a playoff team at this time. NB felt very suspect vs Victoria East. East is on the outside looking in already due to losses to Seguin and New Braunfels. However, I don’t rule them out yet vs anyone outside of Smithson Valley and Pieper. What a difference your game and ours. New Braunfels defense had to carry the Unicorns in this one. Constant turnovers either due to picks or fumbles, only to have the Unicorn D make VE go 3 and out every single time for nearly the entirety of 3 quarters. Then the Victoria East defense held firm in the second half. I hope it was a one-off. In the end, the Unicorns are still 2-0 in district, bit against the lower teams of the district. |
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Post by bubbme on Sept 29, 2024 15:59:30 GMT -6
Bc v seguin was a track meet. The difference seemed to be the series when Navarette got injured and was out. The back up wasn’t bad - but the WR were dropping precision passes by #2 so when #9 went in they struggled more. BC had several starters on D out with illness and missing the LT. Respect to the offenses of both teams trying to bail out the defenses. Bye week comes at a great time. BC vs NB will be interesting for those 3 and 4 playoff spots. I’m not confident on New Braunfels being a playoff team at this time. NB felt very suspect vs Victoria East. East is on the outside looking in already due to losses to Seguin and New Braunfels. However, I don’t rule them out yet vs anyone outside of Smithson Valley and Pieper. What a difference your game and ours. New Braunfels defense had to carry the Unicorns in this one. Constant turnovers either due to picks or fumbles, only to have the Unicorn D make VE go 3 and out every single time for nearly the entirety of 3 quarters. Then the Victoria East defense held firm in the second half. I hope it was a one-off. In the end, the Unicorns are still 2-0 in district, bit against the lower teams of the district. I wouldn't be too concerned - I think NB has a punchers chance of finishing 2nd. I was very impressed with Pieper Friday night, and not very impressed by SV. Pieper won the game in the trenches against SV, and their OLine has won every week so far. Their DLine hasn't won every week, but did so Friday. If the NB dLine can win, they may be able to beat SV. I think Pieper is the best team in the district (and Region, but I must confess I haven't watched Flour Bluff yet) this year, and has a great chance to win region. It would be great to see a repeat matchup with SV, but SV has some things to improve on... |
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Post by bubbme on Sept 29, 2024 16:29:51 GMT -6
Here's what I wrote before Pieper vs SV:
Okay, Ive done some work on Pieper in advance of their game with SV. Not a whole lot not to like!
If I'm SV on offense, the soft spot on the Pieper defense is the edges and CBs in the secondary. The safeties are solid, the front 7 are good tacklers, the DL is stout. Expect the Rangers to run bubble screens, reverses and outside zone to test the Pieper secondary's tackling. Also expect the Rangers to throw deep. I watched all 4 Pieper games, and that was the only true spot I saw that was suspect.
On defense, the Rangers will be the first 4 down team Pieper has faced, so there could be an adjustment to their blocking. The Ranger D Line is good at taking the power run, and the linebackers are good at the counter. Discipline will be key to containing the Warrior run game that includes a whole lot of misdirection. The Pieper Oline is good at run blocking, and is really patient when pass blocking - they just wait for the pass rush and absorb them.
The tough nut is the Pieper Pass game, which has a stud in Champagne. The rest of the receivers just run well, catch everything and are always ready. Pieper is so good at spreading it out, they can win without #2 most of the time! Oh, and the RBs can catch, and the QB can run and keeps his eyes downfield when he extends plays. The Warriors like to throw deep, but will accept short to middle depth routes in order to attack downfield later. SV will have to find ways to pressure without blitzing too much, and the secondary will have to continue to cover well. Tough order of business for SV.
I haven't seen Pieper get much action on special teams (they hardly ever punt!), and I only saw Davenport try to return kickoffs, so with SVs history, that could be an advantage for the Rangers.
I got my ticket, I think this will be a whale of a game.
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It was certainly an exciting game! Well, I think I hit it right on the head, at least the analysis of what SV needed to do to win. SV really didn't do enough of those things - First, they committed way too many penalties, especially on special teams. Pieper's secondary was indeed the weak spot, as SV caught deep balls when the Pieper defenders weren't holding them. Pieper needs to clean that up. SV was very successful when they tried the edge, not so much when they tried the middle. I think Pieper's game plan was to contain Spradling and make someone else beat them, and it worked. SV as not successful in holding their blocks, gave up 5-6 sacks - that needs to improve for them as they march toward the playoffs.
The SV defense was very disappointing, as the line was unable to generate much pressure - the few times they did, Pieper hit big ones on them anyway! Pieper established Champagne early, and he had 10 catches for the game and 4 carrries in the run game. SV's eye discipline was poor in the secondary and they left a few guys wide open in the secondary - especially damaging on Pieper's 2 point conversion and the final touchdown.
Both teams had some bone headed errors with fumbles in or near their own end zones, the Pieper kick returner taking a safety, so the mental side will need to improve for both teams. SV had a decided advantage in special teams, but SV missed two makeable field goals and committed too many penalties to take advantage.
For this week, the district rests.
Self Scouting commences in detail. Adjustments implemented. Questions need to be answered - Can Wagner and SV rebound? Can Pieper and NB sustain? Can either BC or Seguin play defense (like what was up with that game - when I saw the score, I assumed it was 12 overtimes)?
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Post by regaleagle on Sept 29, 2024 20:15:28 GMT -6
As an "outsider" of both teams just reading what happened....sounds to me like there is a huge upside for Pieper to improve before the playoffs get here. And since you seem to be more of a Pieper fan and more intimate with their team than SV, I would assume that SV has a huge upside to also improve their weaknesses before the playoffs. One thing is for certain....longtime Head Football Coach Larry Hill will get SV's mistakes corrected and the team playing the best football it can by the end of district play.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 30, 2024 5:08:07 GMT -6
Bc v seguin was a track meet. The difference seemed to be the series when Navarette got injured and was out. The back up wasn’t bad - but the WR were dropping precision passes by #2 so when #9 went in they struggled more. BC had several starters on D out with illness and missing the LT. Respect to the offenses of both teams trying to bail out the defenses. Bye week comes at a great time. BC vs NB will be interesting for those 3 and 4 playoff spots. I’m not confident on New Braunfels being a playoff team at this time. NB felt very suspect vs Victoria East. East is on the outside looking in already due to losses to Seguin and New Braunfels. However, I don’t rule them out yet vs anyone outside of Smithson Valley and Pieper. What a difference your game and ours. New Braunfels defense had to carry the Unicorns in this one. Constant turnovers either due to picks or fumbles, only to have the Unicorn D make VE go 3 and out every single time for nearly the entirety of 3 quarters. Then the Victoria East defense held firm in the second half. I hope it was a one-off. In the end, the Unicorns are still 2-0 in district, bit against the lower teams of the district. It boggles my mind that Seguin put up 73 on BC yet week before Seguin only scored 37 on VE. BC gives up 73 to Seguin but the week before only 42 to SV. It is a very, very strange year so far. I did look at stats on Maxpreps to see how Seguin got 73 and it apparently wasn't because of a bunch of TOs because the Mats put up almost 700 yards! Dailey went 26 of 35 for 471 yards and 7 TDs with no INTs. Seguin also ran it 30 times for 208 yard and 3 more TDs. WOW |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 30, 2024 5:15:27 GMT -6
I’m not confident on New Braunfels being a playoff team at this time. NB felt very suspect vs Victoria East. East is on the outside looking in already due to losses to Seguin and New Braunfels. However, I don’t rule them out yet vs anyone outside of Smithson Valley and Pieper. What a difference your game and ours. New Braunfels defense had to carry the Unicorns in this one. Constant turnovers either due to picks or fumbles, only to have the Unicorn D make VE go 3 and out every single time for nearly the entirety of 3 quarters. Then the Victoria East defense held firm in the second half. I hope it was a one-off. In the end, the Unicorns are still 2-0 in district, bit against the lower teams of the district. I wouldn't be too concerned - I think NB has a punchers chance of finishing 2nd. I was very impressed with Pieper Friday night, and not very impressed by SV. Pieper won the game in the trenches against SV, and their OLine has won every week so far. Their DLine hasn't won every week, but did so Friday. If the NB dLine can win, they may be able to beat SV. I think Pieper is the best team in the district (and Region, but I must confess I haven't watched Flour Bluff yet) this year, and has a great chance to win region. It would be great to see a repeat matchup with SV, but SV has some things to improve on... I do think NB will be in the playoffs but not sure they will beat SV. SV is a monkey on NB's back and until the Unicorns can go out and beat them I will pick SV every time. I'd have to go back and research but it has been quite a few years since NB has come out on top in that one. I'm impressed with Pieper as well. They are playing really well but to be honest that was as close of a game as you can get and I'd give SV the nod in a rematch if and when it happens this year provided both teams are still healthy. I could see SV had a good crowd at the game as they always do but Pieper was still at home and that is without a doubt an advantage, especially with such a young program! That said, I watched Johnson/Brandeis yesterday evening when I got bored and will just say that Johnson is not all that and I can see why Pieper beat them. Johnson only had 13 points at the end of the 4th when they went into the 1st OT and lets be honest here, Brandeis is NOT good. It took them 3 OTs to get the win over the Broncos. I guess what I'm saying in a round about way is before seeing that I had put a heck of a lot more stock in the Pieper win over Johnson then what I do this morning. It is still a very good win for them just not quite what I thought it was. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 30, 2024 5:16:26 GMT -6
Here's what I wrote before Pieper vs SV: Okay, Ive done some work on Pieper in advance of their game with SV. Not a whole lot not to like! If I'm SV on offense, the soft spot on the Pieper defense is the edges and CBs in the secondary. The safeties are solid, the front 7 are good tacklers, the DL is stout. Expect the Rangers to run bubble screens, reverses and outside zone to test the Pieper secondary's tackling. Also expect the Rangers to throw deep. I watched all 4 Pieper games, and that was the only true spot I saw that was suspect. On defense, the Rangers will be the first 4 down team Pieper has faced, so there could be an adjustment to their blocking. The Ranger D Line is good at taking the power run, and the linebackers are good at the counter. Discipline will be key to containing the Warrior run game that includes a whole lot of misdirection. The Pieper Oline is good at run blocking, and is really patient when pass blocking - they just wait for the pass rush and absorb them. The tough nut is the Pieper Pass game, which has a stud in Champagne. The rest of the receivers just run well, catch everything and are always ready. Pieper is so good at spreading it out, they can win without #2 most of the time! Oh, and the RBs can catch, and the QB can run and keeps his eyes downfield when he extends plays. The Warriors like to throw deep, but will accept short to middle depth routes in order to attack downfield later. SV will have to find ways to pressure without blitzing too much, and the secondary will have to continue to cover well. Tough order of business for SV. I haven't seen Pieper get much action on special teams (they hardly ever punt!), and I only saw Davenport try to return kickoffs, so with SVs history, that could be an advantage for the Rangers. I got my ticket, I think this will be a whale of a game. _____________________________________________________________ It was certainly an exciting game! Well, I think I hit it right on the head, at least the analysis of what SV needed to do to win. SV really didn't do enough of those things - First, they committed way too many penalties, especially on special teams. Pieper's secondary was indeed the weak spot, as SV caught deep balls when the Pieper defenders weren't holding them. Pieper needs to clean that up. SV was very successful when they tried the edge, not so much when they tried the middle. I think Pieper's game plan was to contain Spradling and make someone else beat them, and it worked. SV as not successful in holding their blocks, gave up 5-6 sacks - that needs to improve for them as they march toward the playoffs. The SV defense was very disappointing, as the line was unable to generate much pressure - the few times they did, Pieper hit big ones on them anyway! Pieper established Champagne early, and he had 10 catches for the game and 4 carrries in the run game. SV's eye discipline was poor in the secondary and they left a few guys wide open in the secondary - especially damaging on Pieper's 2 point conversion and the final touchdown. Both teams had some bone headed errors with fumbles in or near their own end zones, the Pieper kick returner taking a safety, so the mental side will need to improve for both teams. SV had a decided advantage in special teams, but SV missed two makeable field goals and committed too many penalties to take advantage. For this week, the district rests. Self Scouting commences in detail. Adjustments implemented. Questions need to be answered - Can Wagner and SV rebound? Can Pieper and NB sustain? Can either BC or Seguin play defense (like what was up with that game - when I saw the score, I assumed it was 12 overtimes)? You were without a doubt spot on. I will say this, Pieper does have some nice play makers on that offense but without a doubt they would be only slightly above average offensively without that QB. The kid is good both with his arm and his legs! |
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Post by BandidoNB on Sept 30, 2024 10:48:05 GMT -6
I wouldn't be too concerned - I think NB has a punchers chance of finishing 2nd. I was very impressed with Pieper Friday night, and not very impressed by SV. Pieper won the game in the trenches against SV, and their OLine has won every week so far. Their DLine hasn't won every week, but did so Friday. If the NB dLine can win, they may be able to beat SV. I think Pieper is the best team in the district (and Region, but I must confess I haven't watched Flour Bluff yet) this year, and has a great chance to win region. It would be great to see a repeat matchup with SV, but SV has some things to improve on... I do think NB will be in the playoffs but not sure they will beat SV. SV is a monkey on NB's back and until the Unicorns can go out and beat them I will pick SV every time. I'd have to go back and research but it has been quite a few years since NB has come out on top in that one. I'm impressed with Pieper as well. They are playing really well but to be honest that was as close of a game as you can get and I'd give SV the nod in a rematch if and when it happens this year provided both teams are still healthy. I could see SV had a good crowd at the game as they always do but Pieper was still at home and that is without a doubt an advantage, especially with such a young program! That said, I watched Johnson/Brandeis yesterday evening when I got bored and will just say that Johnson is not all that and I can see why Pieper beat them. Johnson only had 13 points at the end of the 4th when they went into the 1st OT and lets be honest here, Brandeis is NOT good. It took them 3 OTs to get the win over the Broncos. I guess what I'm saying in a round about way is before seeing that I had put a heck of a lot more stock in the Pieper win over Johnson then what I do this morning. It is still a very good win for them just not quite what I thought it was. In retrospect, it doesn’t surprise me that Seguin was limited to 37 points vs Victoria East. Their defense didn’t play around. NB only scored 24 points, and was held scoreless in the second half. Of course, part of that was due to silly mistakes, but still. That explains Seguin’s lower output that week vs. VE. As for the Unicorns, you don’t have to research history. I can tell you. New Braunfels last beat Smithson Valley 28-13 in 2009. NB went to the 5A (now 6A) state semifinals that year from the NEISD-based district. It’s important to know that 2009 was a year that Smithson Valley was finally hit heavily by the opening of Canyon Lake HS. And as far as Pieper is concerned, you noticed the same thing I did. That win against SA Johnson isn’t aging as well as we thought. Which means, Judson is worse than we thought also lol |
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Post by bubbme on Sept 30, 2024 16:03:25 GMT -6
As an "outsider" of both teams just reading what happened....sounds to me like there is a huge upside for Pieper to improve before the playoffs get here. And since you seem to be more of a Pieper fan and more intimate with their team than SV, I would assume that SV has a huge upside to also improve their weaknesses before the playoffs. One thing is for certain....longtime Head Football Coach Larry Hill will get SV's mistakes corrected and the team playing the best football it can by the end of district play. Couldn't tell if you were addressing my post or not, but I'll answer anyway!  Actually, I'm a SV fan, been following them for the last 20 years. I have also watched every Pieper game since they began broadcasting them a couple of years ago. I try to give an observation-based assessment of the teams - but I realize I have some biases! SV's problems in their two losses was that they lost the battle at the line of scrimmage, and made too many mistakes - especially in the kicking game. What worries me is that by this time of year, SV has usually put their mistakes behind them (they haven't - 4 missed field goals and numerous penalties in the return game) and I'm not sure the Offensive line is going to be much better. The OL technique can improve, but they are really light in comparison with most SV lines, I'm not sure they have the power to win the LOS like past teams. If SV can't win the LOS, they usually don't score too much. Pieper made mental mistakes, hopefully their coaches can teach that - although I think Pieper right now is closer to their maximum performance level than SV is, so I agree that SV can get better. Pieper is in the drivers seat, no question as they have already beaten 2 of the top 5 teams in district. SV always has tough matchups with Wagner, usually plays well against NB and I think they will handle the others without much of a problem. SV as the 2 seed out of D-13-5A is still a threat, but I worry... |
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Post by bubbme on Sept 30, 2024 17:43:48 GMT -6
All right, I gotta get something off my chest - after re-watching the Pieper vs SV game, the unsportsmanlike penalty called against SV late in the 4th quarter was a trash call by the linesman. 4 Pieper players were in the kids face and he tossed the ball toward them. At best offsetting fouls. SV subsequently gained enough yardage that would have them with a reasonable FG chance. I hate when officials make snap judgments when the game is on the line.
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Post by regaleagle on Sept 30, 2024 23:58:55 GMT -6
This was an interesting thread for a guy like me trying to learn this district down here. I'm still not that familiar with the history, but at least now I have a little bit of information of what's going on this season for the main players in the district race. I will watch more closely for the rest of district play to see which team(s) made the necessary leap forward and which teams did not make enough of a leap. The Bye Week is THE WEEK for the coaching staffs and players to catch up and improve. I'm not sure whether other states in the US have a BYE WEEK in their football schedules, but it sure is a season-changer for lots of teams in Texas. Just think what it would be like for teams that do not have a Bye Week.....there are teams in Texas that play 10 straight weeks.....whether they get a first or last week off.....that's a tough road. Heck, 7 straight games before a Bye Week is a tough road in most Texas districts.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 1, 2024 5:27:50 GMT -6
I do think NB will be in the playoffs but not sure they will beat SV. SV is a monkey on NB's back and until the Unicorns can go out and beat them I will pick SV every time. I'd have to go back and research but it has been quite a few years since NB has come out on top in that one. I'm impressed with Pieper as well. They are playing really well but to be honest that was as close of a game as you can get and I'd give SV the nod in a rematch if and when it happens this year provided both teams are still healthy. I could see SV had a good crowd at the game as they always do but Pieper was still at home and that is without a doubt an advantage, especially with such a young program! That said, I watched Johnson/Brandeis yesterday evening when I got bored and will just say that Johnson is not all that and I can see why Pieper beat them. Johnson only had 13 points at the end of the 4th when they went into the 1st OT and lets be honest here, Brandeis is NOT good. It took them 3 OTs to get the win over the Broncos. I guess what I'm saying in a round about way is before seeing that I had put a heck of a lot more stock in the Pieper win over Johnson then what I do this morning. It is still a very good win for them just not quite what I thought it was. In retrospect, it doesn’t surprise me that Seguin was limited to 37 points vs Victoria East. Their defense didn’t play around. NB only scored 24 points, and was held scoreless in the second half. Of course, part of that was due to silly mistakes, but still. That explains Seguin’s lower output that week vs. VE. As for the Unicorns, you don’t have to research history. I can tell you. New Braunfels last beat Smithson Valley 28-13 in 2009. NB went to the 5A (now 6A) state semifinals that year from the NEISD-based district. It’s important to know that 2009 was a year that Smithson Valley was finally hit heavily by the opening of Canyon Lake HS. And as far as Pieper is concerned, you noticed the same thing I did. That win against SA Johnson isn’t aging as well as we thought. Which means, Judson is worse than we thought also lol Absolutely no doubt about Judson BNB! Sad to see a once great program where they are at. But, I'd lay a dollar to a dime that next week they will give Steele a decent game at the least. They always seem to no matter how they've done up to that point. |
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