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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 21, 2023 9:44:23 GMT -6
A huge "IF" Brownsville Veterans Memorial had beaten Smithson Valley, the Aledo vs. Brownsville Veterans Memorial game would have set an attendance record! Absolutely not. And here's why..... 1. Distance: RGV to Arlington is just too damn far. 2. Cost: You're asking people who, for the most part, are on the lower and lower-middle end of the income spectrum to drive 11-12 hours (gas $) and then get hotel rooms for 1, possibly 2 nights at what are very likely jacked up rates because it's Championship Week? No....just...no. Your average Brownsville, Texas resident wouldn't be able to afford all of that. Now, would supporters be there? Absolutely! But I guarantee you the vast majority of those would be alums from Brownsville and other parts of the RGV who happen to now live in or near the DFW area. Close enough to where they could just make a day of it and only have to spend enough $ for maybe 1 or 2 gas refills. If anyone from the Brownsville area made the trip, it would be parents & family of the players and coaching staff. Everyone else would stay home and watch the game on TV. The attendance record wouldn't come close to being broken. NOW, if the game was at the Alamodome in San Antonio? RGV fans would obliterate the attendance record by themselves. The other team's fans would simply be the cherry on top. Why? San Antonio is close enough to the RGV that pretty much all RGV residents can drive up, attend the game, then drive back home all in the same day. Here's a real life example of this: When Port Isabel played in the 2003 3A Semifinals in the Alamodome, PI "allegedly" brought 20k fans by themselves based on rough estimates from people who were there and got to walk around to the other side to see how full the PI side was. The lower bowl level and 2nd deck from goal line to goal line was 100% full. There were also a lot of others sitting at the end zones on both sides. I assume those were coaches & such. They had to open the 3rd level for us and that ended up being about 50% filled. IDK the exact number though, but if someone more familiar with the facility has an idea, please post here. Now, had Port Isabel won, the championship game against Atlanta would have been in the Alamodome. Port Isabel were anticipating roughly 40-45k fans just for the PI side alone, but personally, I think there would have been more than that. WAY more. You really don't know the Valley fans do you. Fans from every fanbase in the Valley would have shown up to support Brownsville. And let's not forget all the Hispanic population in that Dallas area that would have shown up to support a team full of Hispanics just because it never happens.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 21, 2023 14:20:14 GMT -6
Do you ever stop with this stuff Recruited? If they recruited or anyone else has report it to the UIL. If not, then give it a rest because everyone on here is getting very tired of your wining. If you program wins big, the players are going to move in. FACT Lmao. Do I strike you as someone that gives a chit about the whining of my opinions by strangers? I don't give a chit that some programs have found a way to game the system its still bullchit and ruins the game. You didn't have programs winning 11 titles in 14 years back in our day because players mostly played where the F they were supposed to play. If you don't like my opinions then don't respond to them because I'm gonna keep on with it genius. You obviously do give a chit or you wouldn't be on here whining constantly about winning programs. Again, if you have proof of any wrong doing by ANY program, then report. If not, quit crying like a small child because that is exactly what everyone on this forum sees out of you with crap like this..........GENIUS
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 21, 2023 15:58:10 GMT -6
Lmao. Do I strike you as someone that gives a chit about the whining of my opinions by strangers? I don't give a chit that some programs have found a way to game the system its still bullchit and ruins the game. You didn't have programs winning 11 titles in 14 years back in our day because players mostly played where the F they were supposed to play. If you don't like my opinions then don't respond to them because I'm gonna keep on with it genius. You obviously do give a chit or you wouldn't be on here whining constantly about winning programs. Again, if you have proof of any wrong doing by ANY program, then report. If not, quit crying like a small child because that is exactly what everyone on this forum sees out of you with crap like this..........GENIUS Give me a break with the denial. That cowboy hat wearing ex coach doing pregame stuff for the games even mentioned all of Aledo's "move ins".
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Post by sinfan75 on Dec 21, 2023 16:24:15 GMT -6
You obviously do give a chit or you wouldn't be on here whining constantly about winning programs. Again, if you have proof of any wrong doing by ANY program, then report. If not, quit crying like a small child because that is exactly what everyone on this forum sees out of you with crap like this..........GENIUS Give me a break with the denial. That cowboy hat wearing ex coach doing pregame stuff for the games even mentioned all of Aledo's "move ins". This isn't about moveins. You accused schools of recruiting. Prove it!! Prove there is actual recruiting going on in these schools!
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 21, 2023 16:26:45 GMT -6
Give me a break with the denial. That cowboy hat wearing ex coach doing pregame stuff for the games even mentioned all of Aledo's "move ins". This isn't about moveins. You accused schools of recruiting. Prove it!! Prove there is actual recruiting going on in these schools! You're "special" if you think it's all legit move ins and it's all very legit for a program to win 11 titles in 14 years. I don't debate morons. Try someone else.
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Post by sinfan75 on Dec 21, 2023 16:51:45 GMT -6
This isn't about moveins. You accused schools of recruiting. Prove it!! Prove there is actual recruiting going on in these schools! You're "special" if you think it's all legit move ins and it's all very legit for a program to win 11 titles in 14 years. I don't debate morons. Try someone else. I'm not the one accusing schools of recruiting. You are! As Clem posted.. Be a man and go investigate these schools and see if they are really recruiting kids for athletic purposes and report your findings to the UIL. Then you can come on here and boast about how right you were. Otherwise you're nothing more than a drama queen.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Dec 21, 2023 18:27:55 GMT -6
A huge "IF" Brownsville Veterans Memorial had beaten Smithson Valley, the Aledo vs. Brownsville Veterans Memorial game would have set an attendance record! Absolutely not. And here's why..... 1. Distance: RGV to Arlington is just too damn far. 2. Cost: You're asking people who, for the most part, are on the lower and lower-middle end of the income spectrum to drive 11-12 hours (gas $) and then get hotel rooms for 1, possibly 2 nights at what are very likely jacked up rates because it's Championship Week? No....just...no. Your average Brownsville, Texas resident wouldn't be able to afford all of that. Now, would supporters be there? Absolutely! But I guarantee you the vast majority of those would be alums from Brownsville and other parts of the RGV who happen to now live in or near the DFW area. Close enough to where they could just make a day of it and only have to spend enough $ for maybe 1 or 2 gas refills. If anyone from the Brownsville area made the trip, it would be parents & family of the players and coaching staff. Everyone else would stay home and watch the game on TV. The attendance record wouldn't come close to being broken. NOW, if the game was at the Alamodome in San Antonio? RGV fans would obliterate the attendance record by themselves. The other team's fans would simply be the cherry on top. Why? San Antonio is close enough to the RGV that pretty much all RGV residents can drive up, attend the game, then drive back home all in the same day. Here's a real life example of this: When Port Isabel played in the 2003 3A Semifinals in the Alamodome, PI "allegedly" brought 20k fans by themselves based on rough estimates from people who were there and got to walk around to the other side to see how full the PI side was. The lower bowl level and 2nd deck from goal line to goal line was 100% full. There were also a lot of others sitting at the end zones on both sides. I assume those were coaches & such. They had to open the 3rd level for us and that ended up being about 50% filled. IDK the exact number though, but if someone more familiar with the facility has an idea, please post here. Now, had Port Isabel won, the championship game against Atlanta would have been in the Alamodome. Port Isabel were anticipating roughly 40-45k fans just for the PI side alone, but personally, I think there would have been more than that. WAY more. Never underestimate the absentmindness of a fanbase to go in to debt to see their team in the champinoshop game. The Valley has not had a team in the state champinship game since the 80s, they would have been coming out of the wood work to get to that game. I knew people who didnt have $2 in their pocket but the Mastercard was on fire when Metallica came to town. I was in Texas this past weeked for family Christmas and if Floresville was in the title game I would have left Santa a note, see you next year fatman.
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Post by fanforlife on Dec 22, 2023 7:47:23 GMT -6
Probably because of the same old teams. So sick of seeing Aledo every year. I was commenting to my dad just the other day that's the same teams ever year. I watched less coverage this year than last. Most of the games weren't even close and very boring to watch.
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Post by FB fan on Dec 22, 2023 12:26:05 GMT -6
Probably because of the same old teams. So sick of seeing Aledo every year. I was commenting to my dad just the other day that's the same teams ever year. I watched less coverage this year than last. Most of the games weren't even close and very boring to watch. Yes there were a lot of blow outs which begs the question were the games more competitive before the D1 D2 division. Would 5A D1 vs 5A D2 champions been closer?
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Post by warcat82 on Dec 22, 2023 20:36:08 GMT -6
Probably because of the same old teams. So sick of seeing Aledo every year. I was commenting to my dad just the other day that's the same teams ever year. I watched less coverage this year than last. Most of the games weren't even close and very boring to watch. Yes there were a lot of blow outs which begs the question were the games more competitive before the D1 D2 division. Would 5A D1 vs 5A D2 champions been closer? That's a great question, but honestly I don't think it would have been. They've been splitting the championships forever honestly, it's just been the way 6A does it still though, instead of the hard line they have now. So instead of having larger districts and splitting up and potentially having all the big schools make it for "big" and "little" school playoffs, they've went to this new format. Had they not had the splits, I have a feeling many of the games would have been even worse blowouts. What's crazy is DeSoto is one of the smallest 6A schools and smoked a big 6A in the D2 6A bracket. Aledo was on a different level in 5A. 5A D2 with SOC and PNG, I'm not sure they'd have been able to stay on the field with Aledo. In the lower classifications with the exception of 6 man, the enrollment discrepancies are just too large between D1 to D2 that I think the D1 schools would dominate the D2 schools on a regular basis.
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Post by FB fan on Dec 22, 2023 21:09:05 GMT -6
Yes there were a lot of blow outs which begs the question were the games more competitive before the D1 D2 division. Would 5A D1 vs 5A D2 champions been closer? That's a great question, but honestly I don't think it would have been. They've been splitting the championships forever honestly, it's just been the way 6A does it still though, instead of the hard line they have now. So instead of having larger districts and splitting up and potentially having all the big schools make it for "big" and "little" school playoffs, they've went to this new format. Had they not had the splits, I have a feeling many of the games would have been even worse blowouts. What's crazy is DeSoto is one of the smallest 6A schools and smoked a big 6A in the D2 6A bracket. Aledo was on a different level in 5A. 5A D2 with SOC and PNG, I'm not sure they'd have been able to stay on the field with Aledo. In the lower classifications with the exception of 6 man, the enrollment discrepancies are just too large between D1 to D2 that I think the D1 schools would dominate the D2 schools on a regular basis. Out of curiosity I did project a match up for 4A, 5A and 6A champions on Calpreps. 4A D1 champions Anna were predicted over 4A D2 champions Gilmer 36-35 5A D1 champions Aledo were predicted over 5A D2 champions PNG 42-14 6A D2 champions DeSoto were predicted over 6A D1 champions Duncanville 41-40
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Post by warcat82 on Dec 23, 2023 20:50:07 GMT -6
That's a great question, but honestly I don't think it would have been. They've been splitting the championships forever honestly, it's just been the way 6A does it still though, instead of the hard line they have now. So instead of having larger districts and splitting up and potentially having all the big schools make it for "big" and "little" school playoffs, they've went to this new format. Had they not had the splits, I have a feeling many of the games would have been even worse blowouts. What's crazy is DeSoto is one of the smallest 6A schools and smoked a big 6A in the D2 6A bracket. Aledo was on a different level in 5A. 5A D2 with SOC and PNG, I'm not sure they'd have been able to stay on the field with Aledo. In the lower classifications with the exception of 6 man, the enrollment discrepancies are just too large between D1 to D2 that I think the D1 schools would dominate the D2 schools on a regular basis. Out of curiosity I did project a match up for 4A, 5A and 6A champions on Calpreps. 4A D1 champions Anna were predicted over 4A D2 champions Gilmer 36-35 5A D1 champions Aledo were predicted over 5A D2 champions PNG 42-14 6A D2 champions DeSoto were predicted over 6A D1 champions Duncanville 41-40 DeSoto beat Duncanville by 14 earlier in the year, so a 1 point game is not out of the question. I would say 14 is max. Calpreps has the Aledo game about right I think. Gilmer did have some studs, so that could be an interesting game. Those are interesting outcomes though FB Fan thanks for taking the time to run those.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Dec 24, 2023 14:28:59 GMT -6
Out of curiosity I did project a match up for 4A, 5A and 6A champions on Calpreps. 4A D1 champions Anna were predicted over 4A D2 champions Gilmer 36-35 5A D1 champions Aledo were predicted over 5A D2 champions PNG 42-14 6A D2 champions DeSoto were predicted over 6A D1 champions Duncanville 41-40 DeSoto beat Duncanville by 14 earlier in the year, so a 1 point game is not out of the question. I would say 14 is max. Calpreps has the Aledo game about right I think. Gilmer did have some studs, so that could be an interesting game. Those are interesting outcomes though FB Fan thanks for taking the time to run those. Anna shutout Tyler Chapel Hill. Gilmer would be lucky to score twice. Aledo is on another level. PNG would not have a chance. DeSoto would beat Duncanville by more than 14 in a rematch.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 24, 2023 14:46:15 GMT -6
Is the Aledo dynasty over? They avoided (wink, wink) the 6A cutoff again by a few students but will likely be 6A in 2 years. So they have 2 more years at least in 5AD1 but DeSoto is moving down to 5AD1 so🤷
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 24, 2023 14:48:49 GMT -6
DeSoto beat Duncanville by 14 earlier in the year, so a 1 point game is not out of the question. I would say 14 is max. Calpreps has the Aledo game about right I think. Gilmer did have some studs, so that could be an interesting game. Those are interesting outcomes though FB Fan thanks for taking the time to run those. Anna shutout Tyler Chapel Hill. Gilmer would be lucky to score twice. Aledo is on another level. PNG would not have a chance. DeSoto would beat Duncanville by more than 14 in a rematch. Aledo had some close calls in the regular season. They are not on another level. They almost lost to both Denton programs and both those Denton programs had down seasons by their strandards.
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