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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 4, 2023 13:48:23 GMT -6
How does a financially struggling ISD build a $25 million dollar stadium without city residents having to pay more taxes? Who said the school district was financially struggling? Hasn't it been discussed here on several occasions the last few years that AISD had been operating in the red??
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 4, 2023 14:00:44 GMT -6
All the negativity from that man spreading his bullchit to have people vote against the bond has me not giving a chit already. He's a Debbie Downer. At this point I'd settle for something plain Jane like Cabaniss. Leave the endzone seating, tear down the Home and Visitors side and replace it with what Cabaniss is. That's about 8700 seating plus whatever our endzone seats. Especially replace our lighting.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 4, 2023 14:20:02 GMT -6
All the negativity from that man spreading his bullchit to have people vote against the bond has me not giving a chit already. He's a Debbie Downer. At this point I'd settle for something plain Jane like Cabaniss. Leave the endzone seating, tear down the Home and Visitors side and replace it with what Cabaniss is. That's about 8700 seating plus whatever our endzone seats. Especially replace our lighting. That's why I said something very close to what Seguin just built with obviously more seats on the home side than the visitor side. Then when the Alice fans pack that stadium every game they can bond another tidy sum and add in 500-800 seat stands in the endzones or just like I said about building the sides 15 to 15 but with more rows that way they can be extended goal line to goal line down the road a year or two. Standard bleacher seating is allotted at 18" per seat. Some quick math using this 18" standard per seat and allowing for 6' walkways up the bleachers gives you 36 seats per row every 20 yards (60'). So 4 equal sections from 10 yd line to 10 yard line minus the walkways gets you about 144 seats per row. 35 rows gets you 5,040 seats on that stadium, or about 1,260 seats in each of those sections. When the time is right then add on from the 10 yard lines to the back endzone line and that adds another 2,520 seats for a total of 7,560 seats on the Alice home side of the field! With a 3k seat visitor's size you now have your 10k+ seat stadium! You're welcome
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Dec 4, 2023 16:46:09 GMT -6
Who said the school district was financially struggling? Hasn't it been discussed here on several occasions the last few years that AISD had been operating in the red?? it's been atleast 4 or 5 years since Alice was operating in the red. The indoor facility, along with upgrades at every campus, and a new Ag lab was all done using the surplus the school has.
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Post by sotex on Dec 4, 2023 19:05:48 GMT -6
All the negativity from that man spreading his bullchit to have people vote against the bond has me not giving a chit already. He's a Debbie Downer. At this point I'd settle for something plain Jane like Cabaniss. Leave the endzone seating, tear down the Home and Visitors side and replace it with what Cabaniss is. That's about 8700 seating plus whatever our endzone seats. Especially replace our lighting. I don't know why he's totally against anything anti AISD , especially anti Football.
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 4, 2023 20:51:38 GMT -6
All the negativity from that man spreading his bullchit to have people vote against the bond has me not giving a chit already. He's a Debbie Downer. At this point I'd settle for something plain Jane like Cabaniss. Leave the endzone seating, tear down the Home and Visitors side and replace it with what Cabaniss is. That's about 8700 seating plus whatever our endzone seats. Especially replace our lighting. I don't know why he's totally against anything anti AISD , especially anti Football. What is he like the Parr's next door in San Diego? Everyone has to kiss the guys ring?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 5, 2023 6:22:21 GMT -6
All the negativity from that man spreading his bullchit to have people vote against the bond has me not giving a chit already. He's a Debbie Downer. At this point I'd settle for something plain Jane like Cabaniss. Leave the endzone seating, tear down the Home and Visitors side and replace it with what Cabaniss is. That's about 8700 seating plus whatever our endzone seats. Especially replace our lighting. I don't know why he's totally against anything anti AISD , especially anti Football. Someone in the community with some clout needs to grow a set and take the opposite side against him, LOUDLY, RESPECTFULLY, AND LOADED WITH TRUTH & KNOWLEDGE of the issues at hand! It can work but it has to be the right person to lead the charge against him and his cronies
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Post by drobles1376 on Dec 5, 2023 10:29:18 GMT -6
If Alice elects to build a new stadium or initiate another bond. The superintendent will have to propose it well. Edna had their $19 million dollar multi-purpose pavilion, new softball and baseball fields fail last month by 573 votes. We just passed a $25 million bond in Calhoun County by a little over 150 votes. The thing with elections, a lot of voters don’t go out and vote. We had 12, 897 registered voters and only 2,064 showed up to the polls. Our bond didn’t include any athletic propositions, but included school buses, designing, constructing, and renovating existing schools infrastructure. Another thing to remember, the ballot will have wording that says “This is a property tax increase” again the superintendent will have to explain himself/herself to the community. With the state not giving any extra funding to help school districts, many across the state are going to be facing budget deficits.
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Post by coyotefan2023361 on Dec 5, 2023 10:57:00 GMT -6
Honestly Cochino, I would like a new stadium as much as you, the only difference is price. Alice simply doesn’t need these gody stadiums with huge NCAA like press boxes. You may say the one in Seguin was plain but that would be one hell of an upgrade for little Alice Texas. It would also save some of my money and fellow tax payers money. I’m all for upgrades and supporting it with taxes but let’s make it within reason; we don’t need 25-30 mil if 15-18 mil will do. Please before you attack me and say “I’m dumb”, “you are a Newell fan boy”. Newell has really really done a lot of the city of Alice, he has sold land that has been developed for pennys on the dollar, to bring in city revenue and jobs. If you don’t believe me it’s all public information you can find online. I have disagreed with him at times and agreed with him, but im a realist and call it how I see it. The whole “worry about grades over sports, worry about discipline over sports” is where I do agree with you most of that starts at home, but he is honestly right on the number side he’s very savvy when it comes to $$.
Well after I just wrote a damn novel, lets hope something reasonable is pushed in the in and it gets passed!! Let’s also hope we do whatever is needed to keep Coach JR he is exactly what the kids in this town needed, old school coaching and hard nose discipline!! Go Coyotes!!!
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 5, 2023 11:29:16 GMT -6
If Alice elects to build a new stadium or initiate another bond. The superintendent will have to propose it well. Edna had their $19 million dollar multi-purpose pavilion, new softball and baseball fields fail last month by 573 votes. We just passed a $25 million bond in Calhoun County by a little over 150 votes. The thing with elections, a lot of voters don’t go out and vote. We had 12, 897 registered voters and only 2,064 showed up to the polls. Our bond didn’t include any athletic propositions, but included school buses, designing, constructing, and renovating existing schools infrastructure. Another thing to remember, the ballot will have wording that says “This is a property tax increase” again the superintendent will have to explain himself/herself to the community. With the state not giving any extra funding to help school districts, many across the state are going to be facing budget deficits. And that right there can misleading in itself. I think some ISD's where able to purpose bonds without tax increases (like GP down here) and that still had to be on the ballot. And you are correct about voter participation. We had only a little over 500 out several thousand registered voters show up. And the sad thing you learn after the fact is because who voted is public record, you see people who have kids in sports/band or are teachers/admin themselves who didn't even show up to vote. It only took 2 mins and early voting was open for two weeks right near all our schools
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Post by proscout on Dec 5, 2023 11:43:00 GMT -6
I don't even live in Alice so my tax dollars aren't effected by this. However,if there's anything I don't mind my tax going to, is for kids. That being said, I don't like spending my money just to keep up with the Joneses. For sure there needs to be an upgrade to the stadium, but to build some expensive cookie cutter stadium just because another town has one isn't a good look. 25 milly for a stadium that will be half full for most of the year? Nah. Keep the natural grass, keep the endzone bleachers, condense the seats from maybe the 20 to the 20, and for goodness sakes,name the press box after George Draper.
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Post by coyotefan2023361 on Dec 5, 2023 11:50:26 GMT -6
I don't even live in Alice so my tax dollars aren't effected by this. However,if there's anything I don't mind my tax going to, is for kids. That being said, I don't like spending my money just to keep up with the Joneses. For sure there needs to be an upgrade to the stadium, but to build some expensive cookie cutter stadium just because another town has one isn't a good look. 25 milly for a stadium that will be half full for most of the year? Nah. Keep the natural grass, keep the endzone bleachers, condense the seats from maybe the 20 to the 20, and for goodness sakes,name the press box after George Draper. Facts. Keep the natural grass in same location or new location and build what is needed. It can be done and will pass if it is within reason. Fact is Alice does love their football but they don’t love it enough to suffer during a time where it is already hard enough to get by.
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Post by drobles1376 on Dec 5, 2023 12:06:59 GMT -6
If Alice elects to build a new stadium or initiate another bond. The superintendent will have to propose it well. Edna had their $19 million dollar multi-purpose pavilion, new softball and baseball fields fail last month by 573 votes. We just passed a $25 million bond in Calhoun County by a little over 150 votes. The thing with elections, a lot of voters don’t go out and vote. We had 12, 897 registered voters and only 2,064 showed up to the polls. Our bond didn’t include any athletic propositions, but included school buses, designing, constructing, and renovating existing schools infrastructure. Another thing to remember, the ballot will have wording that says “This is a property tax increase” again the superintendent will have to explain himself/herself to the community. With the state not giving any extra funding to help school districts, many across the state are going to be facing budget deficits. And that right there can misleading in itself. I think some ISD's where able to purpose bonds without tax increases (like GP down here) and that still had to be on the ballot. And you are correct about voter participation. We had only a little over 500 out several thousand registered voters show up. And the sad thing you learn after the fact is because who voted is public record, you see people who have kids in sports/band or are teachers/admin themselves who didn't even show up to vote. It only took 2 mins and early voting was open for two weeks right near all our schools You are correct about it being misleading and that’s why I said the superintendent has to convey his/her message well. Ours was passed without tax increase, but the wording has to be on the ballot. I’ve had people ask for a new stadium at Calhoun. The last bond added new seats and we don’t fill those up and last year we added a new visitor locker room.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 5, 2023 12:14:12 GMT -6
Honestly Cochino, I would like a new stadium as much as you, the only difference is price. Alice simply doesn’t need these gody stadiums with huge NCAA like press boxes. You may say the one in Seguin was plain but that would be one hell of an upgrade for little Alice Texas. It would also save some of my money and fellow tax payers money. I’m all for upgrades and supporting it with taxes but let’s make it within reason; we don’t need 25-30 mil if 15-18 mil will do. Please before you attack me and say “I’m dumb”, “you are a Newell fan boy”. Newell has really really done a lot of the city of Alice, he has sold land that has been developed for pennys on the dollar, to bring in city revenue and jobs. If you don’t believe me it’s all public information you can find online. I have disagreed with him at times and agreed with him, but im a realist and call it how I see it. The whole “worry about grades over sports, worry about discipline over sports” is where I do agree with you most of that starts at home, but he is honestly right on the number side he’s very savvy when it comes to $$. Well after I just wrote a damn novel, lets hope something reasonable is pushed in the in and it gets passed!! Let’s also hope we do whatever is needed to keep Coach JR he is exactly what the kids in this town needed, old school coaching and hard nose discipline!! Go Coyotes!!! If the stadium proposal would have been $50 million you'd all be saying $25 million is enough. If you say you'd be happy with what Seguin has then that's probably not much less than the $25. If it was built for $13.7 four years ago that's more now. Nobody here is asking for Allen stadium. $25 gets you a nice stadium not something luxurious.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Dec 5, 2023 12:22:29 GMT -6
I don't even live in Alice so my tax dollars aren't effected by this. However,if there's anything I don't mind my tax going to, is for kids. That being said, I don't like spending my money just to keep up with the Joneses. For sure there needs to be an upgrade to the stadium, but to build some expensive cookie cutter stadium just because another town has one isn't a good look. 25 milly for a stadium that will be half full for most of the year? Nah. Keep the natural grass, keep the endzone bleachers, condense the seats from maybe the 20 to the 20, and for goodness sakes,name the press box after George Draper. Nobody is trying to keep up with the Joneses. The stadium has been looked at by the proper people and it's full of safety issues that could have it condemned in a few years. Someone else could probably explain the safety stuff better than me. Maybe im wrong but like I told the other guy people are sometimes just programmed to ask for less regardless of the number. Had they been asking for $50 then you'd all be ok with $25. Newell on the other hand would be ok with nothing spent on a stadium. And that dude does not sell land for pennies on the dollar for NOTHING. You can bet your ass he's benefitting in another way for selling the land cheaper.
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