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Post by picodegallo on Nov 28, 2023 17:40:50 GMT -6
I recently spent some time in the aggregate industry and might be willing to go back in a couple of years up that way. I actually had an interview and interest with an outfit towards Mason, but timing is just not right at this moment unfortunately . Yea, quarries and material yards do not make good neighbors and Vulcan for the sake of not continuing to piss off everyone should earn some good will and abandon it. There is plenty of land they could buy further away, but they are looking at the proximity to railroad and I-35 and the railroad is the biggest thing. A lot of their materials get shipped down this way and to Houston. Vulcan is public enemy #1 with many in the region. Between the 3009 quarry and the cement plant they are trying to build in Pleasant Valley between Boerne and Bergheim, they aren’t making any friends, and the locals assisting them with environmental and engineering are getting dragged down with them. I doubt they are hurting for money but probably don’t get honest handshakes at the country clubs lol Yep they are not well liked in that area although they pay their share of property taxes and provide some well paying jobs too. And as long as the construction boom continues in Texas , they will be in business and it doesn't matter if one sector cools off. One thing that keep Vulcan where they are at and wanting to expand is access to Rail. And unfortunately one company dominates rail in Central and South Texas and that is Union Pacific and their primary line runs right by their existing properties along I-35 and the switching yard to go east to west is in San Antonio. There are plenty of areas to get some of the same materials further inland, but unless rail is available, it's a hard sale for the the big boys. That's where some of the Mom and Pops come in niche their markets and do well . The one organization I interviewed with in Mason supplies alot of Frac sand to the Permian Basin and is looking to get into Eagle Ford as it ramps back up they are hoping next year. There is another one up there towards Marble Falls that sells all sorts of materials like Vulcan, but they have a special kind of rock they mine that takes saltwater real good and is good for shore erosion control. I'd have a hard time taking a job with Vulcan for what you noted, I'd rather go with a mom and pop any day of the week.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 28, 2023 18:56:25 GMT -6
hahahaha lmao If you call a 5 acre tract for $250k that you cannot even ag exempt a deal, you may find one then. LOL! You might be right... I'll buy some cattle and goats so I can get Ag Exempt... minimum is 10 acres to be able ag exempt . So 11 acres is needed so that 1 acre can be included with the home. A really nice guy that bought on our back fence line found that out the hard way when he built it left him with 9.88 acres after ha had to include 1 acre with his new home.
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Post by warcat82 on Nov 28, 2023 19:53:02 GMT -6
LOL! You might be right... I'll buy some cattle and goats so I can get Ag Exempt... minimum is 10 acres to be able ag exempt . So 11 acres is needed so that 1 acre can be included with the home. A really nice guy that bought on our back fence line found that out the hard way when he built it left him with 9.88 acres after ha had to include 1 acre with his new home. Man there was a place up here in Florence selling plots of land, 10 acre plots, but no one could put a fence up because the original owner wanted his dang cattle to free roam still the entire 200 acres. No one could add live stock either to their 10 acres or add crops or basically do anything because of the dang cows either lol... the kicker was ol boy wanted 500k for the 10 acres and you had to get your own water, own power, and own right of way to your 10 acres that didn't disrupt his cows lol... we said forget that mess!!!
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Nov 28, 2023 21:22:42 GMT -6
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 28, 2023 21:22:42 GMT -6
I am curious, have any COMAL ISD enrollment numbers been confirmed? I don't with some of the mocks how Davenport remains in 4A based on the growth in that area. I understand how Canyon Lake does because it's still alot of sticks in their attendance zone and the houses are built on multi acre lots and not postage stamp sized like they are in other areas of the ISD. Davenport might just barely miss the cutoff line, but there is growth in that area and won’t stay 4A for long, if at all. Remember that NB Canyon was close to 3,000 students before Davenport broke off a few years ago. And with Canyon being at probably 2,500 now and Davenport being at 1,200+, that’s a combined attendance of 3,700+, so that’s more than 700+ students in just over 4 years. Eventually Davenport will need to expand its capacity or break off another high school. Half of its attendance zone is off IH 35 in New Braunfels.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 29, 2023 6:20:38 GMT -6
I don't with some of the mocks how Davenport remains in 4A based on the growth in that area. I understand how Canyon Lake does because it's still alot of sticks in their attendance zone and the houses are built on multi acre lots and not postage stamp sized like they are in other areas of the ISD. Davenport might just barely miss the cutoff line, but there is growth in that area and won’t stay 4A for long, if at all. Remember that NB Canyon was close to 3,000 students before Davenport broke off a few years ago. And with Canyon being at probably 2,500 now and Davenport being at 1,200+, that’s a combined attendance of 3,700+, so that’s more than 700+ students in just over 4 years. Eventually Davenport will need to expand its capacity or break off another high school. Half of its attendance zone is off IH 35 in New Braunfels. You are exactly right on the growth for sure but they likely are not expanding the capacity here at this school. It is built with a capacity of 1500 kids and the core facilities will not support many more than that. So, to make it larger they'd have to really, really dig deep into their pocket books in CISD because it won't be as simple as adding on a classroom wing or two. I'm not sure why they didn't build it more like NB did the Middle school that they are now turning into the new HS. NBISD did a great job looking forward with that school in the way it was laid out.
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Nov 29, 2023 11:53:07 GMT -6
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 29, 2023 11:53:07 GMT -6
Davenport might just barely miss the cutoff line, but there is growth in that area and won’t stay 4A for long, if at all. Remember that NB Canyon was close to 3,000 students before Davenport broke off a few years ago. And with Canyon being at probably 2,500 now and Davenport being at 1,200+, that’s a combined attendance of 3,700+, so that’s more than 700+ students in just over 4 years. Eventually Davenport will need to expand its capacity or break off another high school. Half of its attendance zone is off IH 35 in New Braunfels. You are exactly right on the growth for sure but they likely are not expanding the capacity here at this school. It is built with a capacity of 1500 kids and the core facilities will not support many more than that. So, to make it larger they'd have to really, really dig deep into their pocket books in CISD because it won't be as simple as adding on a classroom wing or two. I'm not sure why they didn't build it more like NB did the Middle school that they are now turning into the new HS. NBISD did a great job looking forward with that school in the way it was laid out. Do you know what Canyon Lake’s core capacity is? Any chance they move up or stay in 5A?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 29, 2023 12:15:30 GMT -6
You are exactly right on the growth for sure but they likely are not expanding the capacity here at this school. It is built with a capacity of 1500 kids and the core facilities will not support many more than that. So, to make it larger they'd have to really, really dig deep into their pocket books in CISD because it won't be as simple as adding on a classroom wing or two. I'm not sure why they didn't build it more like NB did the Middle school that they are now turning into the new HS. NBISD did a great job looking forward with that school in the way it was laid out. Do you know what Canyon Lake’s core capacity is? Any chance they move up or stay in 5A? I believe when we did it back in 2006 I believe it was built for about 1200-1300 if I remember right. I do not believe they every intended for it to be bigger than 4a but I could see them getting to small 5a size maybe
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Nov 29, 2023 13:37:35 GMT -6
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Post by rattlehound on Nov 29, 2023 13:37:35 GMT -6
Do you know what Canyon Lake’s core capacity is? Any chance they move up or stay in 5A? I believe when we did it back in 2006 I believe it was built for about 1200-1300 if I remember right. I do not believe they every intended for it to be bigger than 4a but I could see them getting to small 5a size maybe Just doing a satellite glance over on google maps, they could relocate the band practice parking lot to the east side of the property and easily expand classroom space. I could see them being a mid size 5A before they ever build another school. Spring Branch area along 281 North is still a growth area and probably gets a HS in the future that will pull attendance from SV and CL.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 29, 2023 18:09:15 GMT -6
Davenport might just barely miss the cutoff line, but there is growth in that area and won’t stay 4A for long, if at all. Remember that NB Canyon was close to 3,000 students before Davenport broke off a few years ago. And with Canyon being at probably 2,500 now and Davenport being at 1,200+, that’s a combined attendance of 3,700+, so that’s more than 700+ students in just over 4 years. Eventually Davenport will need to expand its capacity or break off another high school. Half of its attendance zone is off IH 35 in New Braunfels. You are exactly right on the growth for sure but they likely are not expanding the capacity here at this school. It is built with a capacity of 1500 kids and the core facilities will not support many more than that. So, to make it larger they'd have to really, really dig deep into their pocket books in CISD because it won't be as simple as adding on a classroom wing or two. I'm not sure why they didn't build it more like NB did the Middle school that they are now turning into the new HS. NBISD did a great job looking forward with that school in the way it was laid out. I think the Comal ISD should embrace the Frisco model and try to keep their enrollments below 6A and in 5A D2 range if possible. I've always thought a student population under 1800 is an ideal enrollment number to work with for your class sizes and extracurricular activities.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 6:10:01 GMT -6
I believe when we did it back in 2006 I believe it was built for about 1200-1300 if I remember right. I do not believe they every intended for it to be bigger than 4a but I could see them getting to small 5a size maybe Just doing a satellite glance over on google maps, they could relocate the band practice parking lot to the east side of the property and easily expand classroom space. I could see them being a mid size 5A before they ever build another school. Spring Branch area along 281 North is still a growth area and probably gets a HS in the future that will pull attendance from SV and CL. Expand yes, easily NO. There is much more to it than just moving a parking lot and adding a building. It was NOT set up for expansion meaning there are no future provisions provided for it on that side of the school. At the new NBISD HS this was all allowed for and future conduits for electricity, water piping, sewer, etc were all installed when the job was first built. NONE of this exists at Canyon Lake and it would be very difficult and expensive to do it now. Also, the cafeteria and other core facilities are not big enough at CLHS meaning that super expensive remodel of existing areas within the building would also be required. It isn't as simple as adding a classroom wing and attaching it. Can it be done, of course. But it will not come without a hefty price tag.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 6:16:16 GMT -6
You are exactly right on the growth for sure but they likely are not expanding the capacity here at this school. It is built with a capacity of 1500 kids and the core facilities will not support many more than that. So, to make it larger they'd have to really, really dig deep into their pocket books in CISD because it won't be as simple as adding on a classroom wing or two. I'm not sure why they didn't build it more like NB did the Middle school that they are now turning into the new HS. NBISD did a great job looking forward with that school in the way it was laid out. I think the Comal ISD should embrace the Frisco model and try to keep their enrollments below 6A and in 5A D2 range if possible. I've always thought a student population under 1800 is an ideal enrollment number to work with for your class sizes and extracurricular activities. I agree with this and if you think about it they already are. Yes, SV & NBC are big enough for 6a enrollment but they are not going to be mega-sized 6a schools. I think both can handle about 2800 kids, maybe 3,000. So yes, they have a couple larger schools but none that will even get half as large as the super schools like Allen Also, I was told by a higher up at CISD at one time that if the entire district was built out there could be 14-15 high schools needed, large 5a to smaller 6a sized.
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Nov 30, 2023 7:55:22 GMT -6
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Post by rattlehound on Nov 30, 2023 7:55:22 GMT -6
Just doing a satellite glance over on google maps, they could relocate the band practice parking lot to the east side of the property and easily expand classroom space. I could see them being a mid size 5A before they ever build another school. Spring Branch area along 281 North is still a growth area and probably gets a HS in the future that will pull attendance from SV and CL. Expand yes, easily NO. There is much more to it than just moving a parking lot and adding a building. It was NOT set up for expansion meaning there are no future provisions provided for it on that side of the school. At the new NBISD HS this was all allowed for and future conduits for electricity, water piping, sewer, etc were all installed when the job was first built. NONE of this exists at Canyon Lake and it would be very difficult and expensive to do it now. Also, the cafeteria and other core facilities are not big enough at CLHS meaning that super expensive remodel of existing areas within the building would also be required. It isn't as simple as adding a classroom wing and attaching it. Can it be done, of course. But it will not come without a hefty price tag. Roger that. I do think that the Kendall/Comal/NW Bexar districts will see a few new high schools over the next decade, and Spring Branch, Bergheim/Fair Oaks and Leon Springs will be three spots I think 100% get them. Northside ISD has been projecting a new Leon Springs high school pulling from Clark and O’Connor’s zones, BISD obviously has plans for a Bergheim school, and I just don’t see any way that Smithson Valley contains all that growth year to year without a second Bulverde/Spring Branch HS.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 8:31:03 GMT -6
Expand yes, easily NO. There is much more to it than just moving a parking lot and adding a building. It was NOT set up for expansion meaning there are no future provisions provided for it on that side of the school. At the new NBISD HS this was all allowed for and future conduits for electricity, water piping, sewer, etc were all installed when the job was first built. NONE of this exists at Canyon Lake and it would be very difficult and expensive to do it now. Also, the cafeteria and other core facilities are not big enough at CLHS meaning that super expensive remodel of existing areas within the building would also be required. It isn't as simple as adding a classroom wing and attaching it. Can it be done, of course. But it will not come without a hefty price tag. Roger that. I do think that the Kendall/Comal/NW Bexar districts will see a few new high schools over the next decade, and Spring Branch, Bergheim/Fair Oaks and Leon Springs will be three spots I think 100% get them. Northside ISD has been projecting a new Leon Springs high school pulling from Clark and O’Connor’s zones, BISD obviously has plans for a Bergheim school, and I just don’t see any way that Smithson Valley contains all that growth year to year without a second Bulverde/Spring Branch HS. No doubt you are exactly right. Boerne, Wimberley, Blanco, Comal, Hays, and NBISD are all still growing very fast. Northside and Schertz Cibolo have slowed down just a little bit but are still growing pretty fast to. One that a lot of people don't realize that is growing like crazy right now is Medina Valley. The new 6a high school that has been bonded bids next week to the sub-contractors as Bartlett Cocke will be the GC building it. It is going to be BIG! Nearly 400k sf with a cost projected at well over $300m. The article below states it is being built for 2400 kids but I suspect that will not be near big enough for them in just a few short years. I'm betting by 2028 realignment they will be over 2400 kids at the high school! www.mvisd.com/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=2741519&type=d&pREC_ID=2413108
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Nov 30, 2023 8:40:23 GMT -6
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Post by rattlehound on Nov 30, 2023 8:40:23 GMT -6
Roger that. I do think that the Kendall/Comal/NW Bexar districts will see a few new high schools over the next decade, and Spring Branch, Bergheim/Fair Oaks and Leon Springs will be three spots I think 100% get them. Northside ISD has been projecting a new Leon Springs high school pulling from Clark and O’Connor’s zones, BISD obviously has plans for a Bergheim school, and I just don’t see any way that Smithson Valley contains all that growth year to year without a second Bulverde/Spring Branch HS. No doubt you are exactly right. Boerne, Wimberley, Blanco, Comal, Hays, and NBISD are all still growing very fast. Northside and Schertz Cibolo have slowed down just a little bit but are still growing pretty fast to. One that a lot of people don't realize that is growing like crazy right now is Medina Valley. The new 6a high school that has been bonded bids next week to the sub-contractors as Bartlett Cocke will be the GC building it. It is going to be BIG! Nearly 400k sf with a cost projected at well over $300m. The article below states it is being built for 2400 kids but I suspect that will not be near big enough for them in just a few short years. I'm betting by 2028 realignment they will be over 2400 kids at the high school! www.mvisd.com/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=2741519&type=d&pREC_ID=2413108Yes sir, that Potranco/211 area is on fire. My daughter was running track at Voss MS a few years ago against Loma Alta MS and that was already a big school, and it’s all feeding into MVHS currently. 300m though?!?!?!
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 8:43:50 GMT -6
No doubt you are exactly right. Boerne, Wimberley, Blanco, Comal, Hays, and NBISD are all still growing very fast. Northside and Schertz Cibolo have slowed down just a little bit but are still growing pretty fast to. One that a lot of people don't realize that is growing like crazy right now is Medina Valley. The new 6a high school that has been bonded bids next week to the sub-contractors as Bartlett Cocke will be the GC building it. It is going to be BIG! Nearly 400k sf with a cost projected at well over $300m. The article below states it is being built for 2400 kids but I suspect that will not be near big enough for them in just a few short years. I'm betting by 2028 realignment they will be over 2400 kids at the high school! www.mvisd.com/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=2741519&type=d&pREC_ID=2413108Yes sir, that Potranco/211 area is on fire. My daughter was running track at Voss MS a few years ago against Loma Alta MS and that was already a big school, and it’s all feeding into MVHS currently. 300m though?!?!?! I can promise you it is going to end up well over the $323m budgeted for it. Well over! You should see the amount of site work involved in this thing......it is mind blowing. There are nearly 350 pole lights for parking and driveways alone! Multiply that by about $4k a piece and now add in the Musco Sports Lighting for each and every field. That will be well over $1m just for the sports lighting. lmao
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