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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 22, 2023 8:38:40 GMT -6
Hes not s d1 qb, hes a borderline d1 athlete though, hes not getting recruited to be a qb, but an ath/wr Thanks for the update... that is a much better scenario for him. I still feel he's a better fit in D2, same free education, playing time, and he can have immediate impact on a program. Not just this young man, but for so many kids out there, free college is free college. If JuCo, NAIA, D2, FBS, or if you're a stud FCS comes knocking take that deal! I've seen some dudes mess it up big time. They think Alabama or UT is going to come knocking when in reality they have TAMUK talent, and when TAMUK or Comerce come knocking they tell them no because they want D1 despite us coaches telling them to take the offer. Then it's too late. These select, fall ball, and other pay to play coaches have them hook, line, and sinker, that they are going to get them into the pros or into D1. It is so sad and infuriating because it ruins these kids. You are 100% dead on about this and it happens more often then people think! My good friend's son was a damn good OL in HS and about 6'2.5", maybe 6'3" and around 270 or so with good feet. He was offered a full ride by UIW and he jumped on it. He had a very successful 5 years there and started for 2 seasons and played in 2 others and received not only his BS, but also a masters degree all 100% on their dime. He played with another kid that was a smidge taller and about 10-15 lbs bigger. The kid was without a doubt a d1 FCS player and had multiple offers including a couple from good teams and good schools. But, he didn't take those and felt for sure a big time D1 FBS was going to offer. NEVER happened and the kid never played a single down of college football. I think a lot of that was because his dad and rest of the family was blowing big smoke up his arse and it cost him big time. Dude was one hell of an O-lineman and had the size to not only play saturdays but if he went to the right place and got developed literally probably had a chance to play Sundays to.
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Post by warcat82 on Nov 22, 2023 8:51:43 GMT -6
Thanks for the update... that is a much better scenario for him. I still feel he's a better fit in D2, same free education, playing time, and he can have immediate impact on a program. Not just this young man, but for so many kids out there, free college is free college. If JuCo, NAIA, D2, FBS, or if you're a stud FCS comes knocking take that deal! I've seen some dudes mess it up big time. They think Alabama or UT is going to come knocking when in reality they have TAMUK talent, and when TAMUK or Comerce come knocking they tell them no because they want D1 despite us coaches telling them to take the offer. Then it's too late. These select, fall ball, and other pay to play coaches have them hook, line, and sinker, that they are going to get them into the pros or into D1. It is so sad and infuriating because it ruins these kids. You are 100% dead on about this and it happens more often then people think! My good friend's son was a damn good OL in HS and about 6'2.5", maybe 6'3" and around 270 or so with good feet. He was offered a full ride by UIW and he jumped on it. He had a very successful 5 years there and started for 2 seasons and played in 2 others and received not only his BS, but also a masters degree all 100% on their dime. He played with another kid that was a smidge taller and about 10-15 lbs bigger. The kid was without a doubt a d1 FCS player and had multiple offers including a couple from good teams and good schools. But, he didn't take those and felt for sure a big time D1 FBS was going to offer. NEVER happened and the kid never played a single down of college football. I think a lot of that was because his dad and rest of the family was blowing big smoke up his arse and it cost him big time. Dude was one hell of an O-lineman and had the size to not only play saturdays but if he went to the right place and got developed literally probably had a chance to play Sundays to. Yep, seen it way too often. Had a kid that was a heck of a soccer player, and he had a track coach of all people convince him that if he quit every sport and just ran track 365 days a year he'd get a D1 scholarship to Baylor full ride. I already had schools looking at him as a sophomore for soccer, but they were JuCo and D2. Low and behold he quits football, baseball, and soccer and runs track 365 days a year his Junior and senior years. Kid graduates, and 0 offers for track come in at any level... Last I talked to him, he was working construction to try and earn money to pay for college so he wouldn't have to take out student loans.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 22, 2023 9:11:16 GMT -6
Hes not s d1 qb, hes a borderline d1 athlete though, hes not getting recruited to be a qb, but an ath/wr Thanks for the update... that is a much better scenario for him. I still feel he's a better fit in D2, same free education, playing time, and he can have immediate impact on a program. Not just this young man, but for so many kids out there, free college is free college. If JuCo, NAIA, D2, FBS, or if you're a stud FCS comes knocking take that deal! I've seen some dudes mess it up big time. They think Alabama or UT is going to come knocking when in reality they have TAMUK talent, and when TAMUK or Comerce come knocking they tell them no because they want D1 despite us coaches telling them to take the offer. Then it's too late. These select, fall ball, and other pay to play coaches have them hook, line, and sinker, that they are going to get them into the pros or into D1. It is so sad and infuriating because it ruins these kids. Say it louder for the coaches and parents in one particular ISD baseball program who have been blinded by this for about a decade without a baseball state title to show for it. I wish $elect ball in everything would just go away. Seasons were not created for sports just to give kids and coaches vacation time at the beach. What you noted is exactly how they hook'em. The baseball $elect non sense in this area points to the one or two kids that have made the pros who played for their organization and like blind sheep parents buy into it without doing the math. If you have 100 kids playing on the Diamond Masters $elect team system in any given year and one makes it to either a pro of college team, what does that really say about your kid's chances? And we need to qualify with baseball, if you end up playing anything below Power 5 D1 Baseball (Texas, A&M, Stanford, etc) you are going to be paying over 75% of the cost of your kids education anyway as baseball schollies are small. Even some of the best who get into UT only have 70% rides.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 22, 2023 10:13:15 GMT -6
# 21 is the back up running back the starter is hurt may be back next week. Apricio is the QB he got offer from UTRGV but there is a QB from Laredo that iss taller and a better passer that also gott offer and accepted. I do not know what the offers were but a lot off the offes UTRGV has been giving have been prefered walk on but there is nothing on anything like full rides that many D1 programs give I am suree the info is somewwheree but has not been put out as far as I can tell Thanks for the honesty. They have some guys deserving of a look at D2 for sure. They even have some really good D3 kids on that team. I didn't see any D1 super stars though to be honest. I hope those young men get to go to the next level and play because they are deserving. Those tackles would be a nice addition to UMHB given that they are needing some linemen. It's D3, but they get big time press up here. I understand why UTRGV is going to give some local kids alot of love as they start their football program. It's part of the building interest and excitement part of the phase. UTSA did much the same thing and even recruited the Coastal Bend hard. Of course UTSA has built itself up faster than most start ups and has been able to retain some good area talent, but once they started this roll they are getting kids from all over the nation now thanks in part to the transfer portal. The program that needs get it's chit together is TAMUK. They've made some progress on the field, but are stuck at being a three or four loss team. The facilities angle is still lost, but I don't completely blame the local leadership. It's more on the leadership in Collie Station. Sharpe and the boys have gone all in with putting all their left over eggs in the Tarleton State basket while WTAM. A&M Commerce and TAMUK have been left to fend for the egg shells. This is both on the academic and athletics side. The UT system treats their member schools so much better as witnessed by how they have fast tracked the building of both UTSA and UTRGV's football programs. TAMUK is going to have a very hard time competing with UTRGV until it gets some brand new shiny things for their football program. Period.
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Post by warcat82 on Nov 22, 2023 12:50:47 GMT -6
Thanks for the honesty. They have some guys deserving of a look at D2 for sure. They even have some really good D3 kids on that team. I didn't see any D1 super stars though to be honest. I hope those young men get to go to the next level and play because they are deserving. Those tackles would be a nice addition to UMHB given that they are needing some linemen. It's D3, but they get big time press up here. I understand why UTRGV is going to give some local kids alot of love as they start their football program. It's part of the building interest and excitement part of the phase. UTSA did much the same thing and even recruited the Coastal Bend hard. Of course UTSA has built itself up faster than most start ups and has been able to retain some good area talent, but once they started this roll they are getting kids from all over the nation now thanks in part to the transfer portal. The program that needs get it's chit together is TAMUK. They've made some progress on the field, but are stuck at being a three or four loss team. The facilities angle is still lost, but I don't completely blame the local leadership. It's more on the leadership in Collie Station. Sharpe and the boys have gone all in with putting all their left over eggs in the Tarleton State basket while WTAM. A&M Commerce and TAMUK have been left to fend for the egg shells. This is both on the academic and athletics side. The UT system treats their member schools so much better as witnessed by how they have fast tracked the building of both UTSA and UTRGV's football programs. TAMUK is going to have a very hard time competing with UTRGV until it gets some brand new shiny things for their football program. Period. Agreed!
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Post by rgvfb on Nov 22, 2023 13:12:16 GMT -6
Hes not s d1 qb, hes a borderline d1 athlete though, hes not getting recruited to be a qb, but an ath/wr Thanks for the update... that is a much better scenario for him. I still feel he's a better fit in D2, same free education, playing time, and he can have immediate impact on a program. Not just this young man, but for so many kids out there, free college is free college. If JuCo, NAIA, D2, FBS, or if you're a stud FCS comes knocking take that deal! I've seen some dudes mess it up big time. They think Alabama or UT is going to come knocking when in reality they have TAMUK talent, and when TAMUK or Comerce come knocking they tell them no because they want D1 despite us coaches telling them to take the offer. Then it's too late. These select, fall ball, and other pay to play coaches have them hook, line, and sinker, that they are going to get them into the pros or into D1. It is so sad and infuriating because it ruins these kids. He might get more playing time at d2 but d2 does not offer enough scholarships. D2 only offers 36 scholarships split to the whole team. D2 programs dont have the same resources even as fcs schools. Walkons at utrgv will be put on the same program other sport kids are in, the tuition advantage program, which means you pay nothing just aslong as you take x amount of credit hours per semester. Personally id rather walk on at an fcs than be at non powerhouse d2, especially at tamuk. The TAMU system does not care about its branch schools, and kingsville/tamuk is a shrinking town/university, some of which can directly be blamed on tamu system, utrgv got a full blown medical school and is building a new hospital thanks to the ut system meanwhiles cstat cant even treat tamuk vet tech program correctly, pretty sure most professors arent even on campus. Its why SFA decided to join the UT system over tamu system this year Dont be surprised all the valley d2 athletes start walking on at utrgv instead of going to tamuk. Better school, better resources, better facilities, same price if not cheaper, closer to home, more exposure etc. Tamuk never going to d1 in its prime not only ruined the program but the university/city. Theres so much growth that comes from being d1, especially since tamuk was actually good. .
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 22, 2023 13:35:18 GMT -6
Thanks for the update... that is a much better scenario for him. I still feel he's a better fit in D2, same free education, playing time, and he can have immediate impact on a program. Not just this young man, but for so many kids out there, free college is free college. If JuCo, NAIA, D2, FBS, or if you're a stud FCS comes knocking take that deal! I've seen some dudes mess it up big time. They think Alabama or UT is going to come knocking when in reality they have TAMUK talent, and when TAMUK or Comerce come knocking they tell them no because they want D1 despite us coaches telling them to take the offer. Then it's too late. These select, fall ball, and other pay to play coaches have them hook, line, and sinker, that they are going to get them into the pros or into D1. It is so sad and infuriating because it ruins these kids. He might get more playing time at d2 but d2 does not offer enough scholarships. D2 only offers 36 scholarships split to the whole team. D2 programs dont have the same resources even as fcs schools. Walkons at utrgv will be put on the same program other sport kids are in, the tuition advantage program, which means you pay nothing just aslong as you take x amount of credit hours per semester. Personally id rather walk on at an fcs than be at non powerhouse d2, especially at tamuk. The TAMU system does not care about its branch schools, and kingsville/tamuk is a shrinking town/university, some of which can directly be blamed on tamu system, utrgv got a full blown medical school and is building a new hospital thanks to the ut system meanwhiles cstat cant even treat tamuk vet tech program correctly, pretty sure most professors arent even on campus. Its why SFA decided to join the UT system over tamu system this year Dont be surprised all the valley d2 athletes start walking on at utrgv instead of going to tamuk. Better school, better resources, better facilities, same price if not cheaper, closer to home, more exposure etc. Tamuk never going to d1 in its prime not only ruined the program but the university/city. Theres so much growth that comes from being d1, especially since tamuk was actually good. . The thing that really hurt Kingsville was a few years ago. John Sharpe proposed merging the Kingsville and Corpus Christi schools into one in order to tap into the PUF and rival the new combined campuses of UTPA and UT Brownsville. TAMUK would've have retained the football program, but with instant FCS status and with that , brand new facilities. Corpus probably would've had all the other sports and baseball would've moved to the hardly used Fairgrounds Stadium in Robstown. Kingsville own State Rep shot it down and called Sharpe a liar and a dishonor to the Aggie honor code at the public forum they had in Robstown and here we are today. Really I wish the State Legislature would reexamine the systems we have in South Texas and ask Tech to take in Kingsville. They don't have a regional foot print and their programs would compliment Tech's. This way you'd have UT= RGV, San Antonio A&M= Corpus, Laredo, San Antonio UH= Victoria Tech= Kingsville
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Post by tx20 on Nov 22, 2023 14:40:33 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards.
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Post by rgvfb on Nov 22, 2023 15:00:21 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards. Yep its bad, enrollment has decreased really fast in the past 5 years. Had tamuk/A&I back in the day had gone d1 and gotten the d1 exposure, you could see them be something like what sam houston state/hunstville is right now. Decently size university in a decently sized town. A destination school even, since its not a commuter school. Not necessarily a huge fanbase but they have dedicated fans around the state since its not a commuter school. Tamuk/a&i had that potential since its location makes it hard to really be considered a commuter school. Thats always a beneficial thing if the university knows how to go by it. schools like texas state, sam houston took advantage of not being commuter schools to attract students. Alot of kids want a proper college experience which not many universities can give you, tamuk couldve provided that given its location.
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Post by ccwarcat on Nov 22, 2023 15:09:17 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards. Haven’t kept up with it! I’m a TAMUK Engineering Grad… 1997. Was pretty top tier back then.
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Post by tx20 on Nov 22, 2023 15:43:45 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards. Haven’t kept up with it! I’m a TAMUK Engineering Grad… 1997. Was pretty top tier back then. One of my boys started engineering at TAMUK then transferred to TT in Lubbock graduated and Was way happier.
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Post by warcat82 on Nov 22, 2023 21:46:34 GMT -6
He might get more playing time at d2 but d2 does not offer enough scholarships. D2 only offers 36 scholarships split to the whole team. D2 programs dont have the same resources even as fcs schools. Walkons at utrgv will be put on the same program other sport kids are in, the tuition advantage program, which means you pay nothing just aslong as you take x amount of credit hours per semester. Personally id rather walk on at an fcs than be at non powerhouse d2, especially at tamuk. The TAMU system does not care about its branch schools, and kingsville/tamuk is a shrinking town/university, some of which can directly be blamed on tamu system, utrgv got a full blown medical school and is building a new hospital thanks to the ut system meanwhiles cstat cant even treat tamuk vet tech program correctly, pretty sure most professors arent even on campus. Its why SFA decided to join the UT system over tamu system this year Dont be surprised all the valley d2 athletes start walking on at utrgv instead of going to tamuk. Better school, better resources, better facilities, same price if not cheaper, closer to home, more exposure etc. Tamuk never going to d1 in its prime not only ruined the program but the university/city. Theres so much growth that comes from being d1, especially since tamuk was actually good. . The thing that really hurt Kingsville was a few years ago. John Sharpe proposed merging the Kingsville and Corpus Christi schools into one in order to tap into the PUF and rival the new combined campuses of UTPA and UT Brownsville. TAMUK would've have retained the football program, but with instant FCS status and with that , brand new facilities. Corpus probably would've had all the other sports and baseball would've moved to the hardly used Fairgrounds Stadium in Robstown. Kingsville own State Rep shot it down and called Sharpe a liar and a dishonor to the Aggie honor code at the public forum they had in Robstown and here we are today. Really I wish the State Legislature would reexamine the systems we have in South Texas and ask Tech to take in Kingsville. They don't have a regional foot print and their programs would compliment Tech's. This way you'd have UT= RGV, San Antonio A&M= Corpus, Laredo, San Antonio UH= Victoria Tech= Kingsville Yeah Tech merged with McClennan Community College in Waco, and man they've had huge improvements there for a juco!!! On the other hand A&M bought a Tarleton satelite campus in Killeen and it sucks balls compared to MCC now. So I agree with the comments about the a&m system sucking compared to the others. Rgv, I also agree TAMUK screwed the pooch not going D1 FCS in the late 90s early 2000s like Harms was about to do. That would have been huge for them. Although, given how the program has fallen from the glory days of Harms, I'm not sure that people would have been going there as a D1. Maybe as a D1 they would have improved their facilities and never have had the 0fer years, so that could have saved that program. I hate that they are tied to the a&m system honestly. Being an alumni, I keep hoping that they get bought by another school system like UT or Tech. As for walk on vs scholly if it's offered I still say take the offer. If they are the lucky 36 that's a big deal, so take the offer. Same with JuCo, NAIA and such. Heck D3 can't do athletic scholarships but I know for a fact that every athlete that is "scholarship" worthy gets free school. I've had several sign with UMHB and Concordia in Austin and they get free school for 4 years. The schools give them academic packages, grants, and lots of other creative ways to pay for school without loans.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 23, 2023 8:26:00 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards. I’ll say this. TAMUK does have a new President about a year or so now in his tenure. He’s a late 80s Alice grad and graduated from A&I in the early 90s, so he was there when the school had relevancy. He realizes much of what has gone wrong and has a pathway to fix it. I’ve spoken to him and he’s very passionate about it. But it’s going to take some changes in the system for a lot of this stuff to happen. Some better local political representation would be a plus too.
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Post by warcat82 on Nov 24, 2023 11:36:47 GMT -6
Dang guys. I did not know all this about TAMUK. No forward thinking. I think even their Engineering program is headed downwards. I’ll say this. TAMUK does have a new President about a year or so now in his tenure. He’s a late 80s Alice grad and graduated from A&I in the early 90s, so he was there when the school had relevancy. He realizes much of what has gone wrong and has a pathway to fix it. I’ve spoken to him and he’s very passionate about it. But it’s going to take some changes in the system for a lot of this stuff to happen. Some better local political representation would be a plus too. Man that'd be awesome to see that school be relevant again! It'd do wonders for the town of Kingsville too!
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