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Post by sotex on Jan 31, 2023 20:33:01 GMT -6
Most of the people in Alice liked Soza. The big problem was mostly internal and a few influential people that wanted him gone. It was a big mistake to fire him. I can't see a good AD coming to Alice after that and especially with our current superintendent and school board. Having been fairly close to the situation back then… it was about 50/50 throughout the town. Half loved him, half thought the offense wasn’t as productive as before he came… and wanted him gone… right off the bat. Eventually, the negative half won. Sitting in the stands, it sucked hearing all the talk. A team NEEDS buy-in… 100%. If you can’t get 100%… it’s gotta be at 90% minimum. Real success can’t exist with anything less. I was close as well. Talked to Chris quite a bit. You're right, some didn't like the offense, but it was just as, if not more productive than his predecessors offense. I like coach Davis, but his only really good year here was in 2008, with a senior heavy team and a wealth of talent. 09 in Soza's first year, all that talent graduated, totally new offense and still managed to put up points and made the playoffs. The biggest problem was Herrera's retirement as superintendent. He ran AISD well and let his AD do his job. Soza didn't have that luxury under the new superintendent.
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Post by Cochino on Jan 31, 2023 21:02:18 GMT -6
Having been fairly close to the situation back then… it was about 50/50 throughout the town. Half loved him, half thought the offense wasn’t as productive as before he came… and wanted him gone… right off the bat. Eventually, the negative half won. Sitting in the stands, it sucked hearing all the talk. A team NEEDS buy-in… 100%. If you can’t get 100%… it’s gotta be at 90% minimum. Real success can’t exist with anything less. I was close as well. Talked to Chris quite a bit. You're right, some didn't like the offense, but it was just as, if not more productive than his predecessors offense. I like coach Davis, but his only really good year here was in 2008, with a senior heavy team and a wealth of talent. 09 in Soza's first year, all that talent graduated, totally new offense and still managed to put up points and made the playoffs. The biggest problem was Herrera's retirement as superintendent. He ran AISD well and let his AD do his job. Soza didn't have that luxury under the new superintendent. Soza's offense put up a ton of points and yards and wasn't a problem. I think some of us just used the offense as excuses for when we wanted to make excuses for a loss.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Feb 1, 2023 6:57:14 GMT -6
In other HC news... A current Coastal Bend HC is a Finalist for the Richmond Foster job. Anyone know who? My guess would be Bitner. Him, Davis and Evans are basically the only ones with a resume I could imagine being a Foster Finalist and it isn't Evans. Bitner's success is inherited but still to an outsider on paper his resume might look good. Davis I can't imagine leaving G-P after only 2 seasons. THough I agree with you that Bitner's success was inherited, there is not doubting the job that he and his staff did with this last team. They were a way, WAY better team in the playoffs then they were early on. That directly reflects on him and his staff without a doubt.
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Post by ccwarcat on Feb 1, 2023 9:01:40 GMT -6
In other HC news... A current Coastal Bend HC is a Finalist for the Richmond Foster job. Anyone know who? My guess would be Bitner. Him, Davis and Evans are basically the only ones with a resume I could imagine being a Foster Finalist and it isn't Evans. Bitner's success is inherited but still to an outsider on paper his resume might look good. Davis I can't imagine leaving G-P after only 2 seasons. THough I agree with you that Bitner's success was inherited, there is not doubting the job that he and his staff did with this last team. They were a way, WAY better team in the playoffs then they were early on. That directly reflects on him and his staff without a doubt. Bitner has gone to Round 5, Round 4, and Round 5 in his 3 seasons as HC. Plus he is a Texas A&M football legend. Dude will get my props all day everyday. Do I need to mention the 1/4" away from being 3 Round 5's in a row? LOL, jk.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 1, 2023 9:02:02 GMT -6
Rumor is Doug Foster at King. He was the Assistant HC and Special teams coach at Richmond Foster when he came to King so he has ties and connections there. That makes sense. I never thought of that. It would've been fun to see the DQ's from GP on here if Davis was in the mix. King would probably make an appearance.
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Post by Cochino on Feb 1, 2023 11:11:59 GMT -6
THough I agree with you that Bitner's success was inherited, there is not doubting the job that he and his staff did with this last team. They were a way, WAY better team in the playoffs then they were early on. That directly reflects on him and his staff without a doubt. Bitner has gone to Round 5, Round 4, and Round 5 in his 3 seasons as HC. Plus he is a Texas A&M football legend. Dude will get my props all day everyday. Do I need to mention the 1/4" away from being 3 Round 5's in a row? LOL, jk. In a weak Region with a program that went 5 rounds deep before him. He was the HC for 2 of those not the other one. I see you're still in mid-season form with your exaggerations. He inherited a 5 rounds deep program and literally one of the weakest roads to round 5 in the history of Texas high school football. Let's keep it real.
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Post by ccwarcat on Feb 1, 2023 12:53:34 GMT -6
Bitner has gone to Round 5, Round 4, and Round 5 in his 3 seasons as HC. Plus he is a Texas A&M football legend. Dude will get my props all day everyday. Do I need to mention the 1/4" away from being 3 Round 5's in a row? LOL, jk. In a weak Region with a program that went 5 rounds deep before him. He was the HC for 2 of those not the other one. I see you're still in mid-season form with your exaggerations. He inherited a 5 rounds deep program and literally one of the weakest roads to round 5 in the history of Texas high school football. Let's keep it real. What other non-2A school in the coastal bend has done that? They’re all in Region 4. Flour Bluff, GP, Calallen, Alice, Miller? Nope. And I think Bitner was already the man in 2020? Maybe not. I forget more and more things these days. 😂 Either way, Round 4 and Round 5 are still excellent for his 2 seasons (if he indeed only has 2). And if you remember back… 2021 featured a new qb, new oc, new dc, lots of senior turnover, etc., etc. lots said 2021 was the end… yet Vets kept doing what they do. 2023 has lots of the same questions. My bet? Vets will be there in the regional mix again.
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Post by Cochino on Feb 1, 2023 13:15:09 GMT -6
In a weak Region with a program that went 5 rounds deep before him. He was the HC for 2 of those not the other one. I see you're still in mid-season form with your exaggerations. He inherited a 5 rounds deep program and literally one of the weakest roads to round 5 in the history of Texas high school football. Let's keep it real. What other non-2A school in the coastal bend has done that? They’re all in Region 4. Flour Bluff, GP, Calallen, Alice, Miller? Nope. And I think Bitner was already the man in 2020? Maybe not. I forget more and more things these days. 😂 Either way, Round 4 and Round 5 are still excellent for his 2 seasons (if he indeed only has 2). And if you remember back… 2021 featured a new qb, new oc, new dc, lots of senior turnover, etc., etc. lots said 2021 was the end… yet Vets kept doing what they do. 2023 has lots of the same questions. My bet? Vets will be there in the regional mix again. Nice try. Specifically 5A D1 Region 4. A Valley team was actually preseason predicted to reach round 5. That's never happened. Hell 2 Valley teams were preseason predicted to face off for the Region Championship. Also never happened. We know why it did now. Be real. I don't say this to crap on team accomplishments. At the end of the day 5 years from now nobody is going to care how weak or strong it was and the players will just get to brag they went 5 rounds deep. But keep it real with the coach. He inherited a 5 rounds deep program.
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Post by Cochino on Feb 1, 2023 13:33:40 GMT -6
Does anyone know if AISD has even posted the opening yet? Link?
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Post by Cochino on Feb 1, 2023 14:22:52 GMT -6
It's up. Been up for 4 days. Up to $105k. I wonder what the cutoff to apply is though.
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Post by buckball on Feb 1, 2023 15:47:02 GMT -6
Got no dog in the hunt, but here’s my thought. As much coaches get bashed especially the former coach, I don’t see any big names going after this one. You’d have to be a fool to think coaches don’t read this stuff. Coaches will do their research and come across this forum and they’ll say no thanks. Why anyone want to put their families through the misery? I think you’ll get someone looking for a first time HC job or you’ll need to stay in house. The only way Alice gets a big name is if they offer a blank check. But, at the first sign of trouble, he’ll get hammered by the experts, the arm chair QBs, and the locals. The cycle will repeat itself. I don’t know everything about the place or what happens behind the scenes. In fact, I think Alice is pretty darn good with tons of talented kids. I hope just the next coach will be given the opportunity to build a program before he gets a hammered like the last guy. I keep thinking about the old phrase “be careful what you wish for”. Again, not throwing shade, just putting in my two cents. Your 2 cents is nonsense. We weren't expecting state titles every season but 3 losing seasons in 6 years and a 1st round loss to a 3-7 team this season was bad coaching. Be careful what we wish for? HE'S the one that's been trying to leave since his 2nd season in Alice. Bottom line is he underachieved. If we know he's been trying to leave for years then you can bet the players knew. He has every right to want to better his life but that's his concern not Alice's. You can't tell me a guy who wants out of a place is giving 100% and caring 100% of the future of the program. Edit: I'd also add that you're probably way too dramatic of a person if you think someone looking for a head coaching position is going to be influenced by what has-beens like us all write on a random forum. You’re right, coaches don’t care what has beens have to say but I bet their families do. I’m sure the bashing wore in the family and they wanted out. So who does Alice think they’re going to get since all the experts seem to have an idea? Again, you’ ll get some new blood and at the first sign of trouble the cycle of bashing and wanting the guy gone will start. Could better decisions have been made in the former coaches case? Sure but everyone always has the right answer after the fact. Good luck in your search for the next head Coyote.
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Post by Javy2005 on Feb 1, 2023 17:03:01 GMT -6
Hell No! The man wanted out for a while. Before they go on from the man, I’m not sure what applicants are gonna apply or what their plans are & at the same bill the previous coach inherit the talent from Soza (3 we’re sophomores) & Evans since then his production was “Jekyll & Hyde” due to players quitting, poor player evaluations, lack of discipline, driving the fan base away & poor coaching etiquettes. I know Alice has been on the down but the community deserve more. When did the Alice faithful or the guys on the forum ever bleeped & complained about the Alice coaches we’ve hired??Boyd .. No! Bush .. No! Davis .. No! Soza .. No! Whatley from the 90’s .. Hell No! I don’t count Herring, or Evans at all. The Coach Clark as HC situation wasn’t his fault. Did y’all bleep & complain with the G-P hires after the Ex-Alice HC left G-P from Loomis to Anastacio before y’all hired another Ex-Alice HC?? I’d love to hear the responses. As for the mindset on who the next Alice coach is … We’ll have to find out tbh. I have some names that’ll step up & lead the Alice squad but discipline will be top priority! A fair question to you Yote fans. How many of you think that the hiring of a head coach by himself without hiring his own staff will really make that much change? It just doesn’t make much sense to hire a HC and not at least bring in a new OC & DC. To be honest the jury awaits … Whoever named the HC. We have assistants who’ve played for (Alice) alma mater - - The offensive coordinator, another offensive assistant, a defensive assistant & the linebackers coach just pointing out. Whoever come to Coyote Country they’ll be a shake up … I don’t know.
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Post by Javy2005 on Feb 1, 2023 17:04:31 GMT -6
Hell No! The man wanted out for a while. Before they go on from the man, I’m not sure what applicants are gonna apply or what their plans are & at the same bill the previous coach inherit the talent from Soza (3 we’re sophomores) & Evans since then his production was “Jekyll & Hyde” due to players quitting, poor player evaluations, lack of discipline, driving the fan base away & poor coaching etiquettes. I know Alice has been on the down but the community deserve more. When did the Alice faithful or the guys on the forum ever bleeped & complained about the Alice coaches we’ve hired??Boyd .. No! Bush .. No! Davis .. No! Soza .. No! Whatley from the 90’s .. Hell No! I don’t count Herring, or Evans at all. The Coach Clark as HC situation wasn’t his fault. Did y’all bleep & complain with the G-P hires after the Ex-Alice HC left G-P from Loomis to Anastacio before y’all hired another Ex-Alice HC?? I’d love to hear the responses. As for the mindset on who the next Alice coach is … We’ll have to find out tbh. I have some names that’ll step up & lead the Alice squad but discipline will be top priority! javy2005 Coach brent Davis also a ex coach from El Campo, Fort Bend Kempner, Crowley, Cuero, Banquete, Sinton, and Lewisville. Coach Davis spent his first two years of high school at Corpus Christi Calallen before moving to Wolfforth Frenship, where he quarterbacked the team to a district title his senior year. I’m aware of this résumé of Coach Davis, I love & respect the man for what he did in Alice
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Post by Cochino on Feb 1, 2023 17:08:08 GMT -6
Your 2 cents is nonsense. We weren't expecting state titles every season but 3 losing seasons in 6 years and a 1st round loss to a 3-7 team this season was bad coaching. Be careful what we wish for? HE'S the one that's been trying to leave since his 2nd season in Alice. Bottom line is he underachieved. If we know he's been trying to leave for years then you can bet the players knew. He has every right to want to better his life but that's his concern not Alice's. You can't tell me a guy who wants out of a place is giving 100% and caring 100% of the future of the program. Edit: I'd also add that you're probably way too dramatic of a person if you think someone looking for a head coaching position is going to be influenced by what has-beens like us all write on a random forum. You’re right, coaches don’t care what has beens have to say but I bet their families do. I’m sure the bashing wore in the family and they wanted out. So who does Alice think they’re going to get since all the experts seem to have an idea? Again, you’ ll get some new blood and at the first sign of trouble the cycle of bashing and wanting the guy gone will start. Could better decisions have been made in the former coaches case? Sure but everyone always has the right answer after the fact. Good luck in your search for the next head Coyote. No matter where you coach, unless you are the Carthage or Aledo coach type of situation you are going to hear crap from fans. A coach is an adult. Why is it ok to be opinionated on college or NFL coaches for underachieving but not a high school coach? Him and his brother were mediocre coaches and saying that is just an opinion not an insult. I honestly think (assuming AISD makes the right hire) that the new coach will not be talked about negatively because I think Alice will get a legit hire this time around. The applicant pool was weak when Atwood got the job. That isn't the case this time.
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Post by Javy2005 on Feb 1, 2023 17:16:53 GMT -6
I'll raise my hand to call BS. Alice has hated on every single coach that has been hired since Van Tom Whatley left. Don't believe me? I bet you can find a detailed history of Alice coaching hate on this very forum. Van Tom was the last dude Alice truly embraced. I loved & respect the coaches like Davis, Clark (Wasn’t his fault) & Soza. Davis — He turned the program around bring in the coaches like Mitchell’s brother, Essex, Rodgers & The Crane Brothers. Got rid of the previous coaches that I played on in which 75% had no business on that staff that belonged in the WAMS, 9th or JV …. Only a few were the strong ones. The turned it around big time. Soza — Well respect man in the land. He had great teams the 1st few years. Till the backlash started with the offense he ran & staying loyal to his DC not to mention the bad rap that he got from the board … The man had his plans set till the Old Yeller treatment & he was the best stability that Alice had & we haven’t recovered since.
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