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Post by FB fan on Jul 24, 2019 15:23:49 GMT -6
The year it was in Houston it sucked because a lot of teams were new teams that no one had ever heard of or cared about. No one wants to see Frisco Lone Star. Who are they? That being said, Houston is just different than DFW. I have lived in both places. Houston is an international city and very diverse. We have huge populations of people that did not grow up here and simply do not follow American football. DFW on the other hand, is not diverse at all. lol. And people grew up on HS football. I love Houston because of the diversity and culture that I did not find while in Dallas. But on the other hand, DFW supports better because there are more people there born and raised in Texas on HS football. You will never convince someone from DFW that it shouldn't be in DFW or that it should be rotated. People in DFW are pretentious and self centered. And they only go to sporting events to be seen and say they were there. I'm glad I do not live there anymore. Your ridiculous characterization of DFW is a broad brush crock. No doubt with your bigoted attitude they are glad you don't live there either.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 24, 2019 19:11:13 GMT -6
Just a few items of note, to my knowledge San Antonio has put bids in past years but 1) they haven't been competitive 2) their locker room situation still is not good and until thats fixed I'm not sure the coaches really want to play there...NRG's locker rooms are not much better either
Dual locations is not going to happen due to television and the risk of alienating the small schools, they want to be treated equally to the big schools and don't want to be "relegated" to a different site.it means more to those small schools playing at AT&T Stadium than the big schools. In the past some title games were always televised (usually old 5A for the most part and then maybe local TV) but not statewide or national broadcasts for all games and that's been a big deal for the UIL.
San Antonio's never been real smart or savvy when it comes to HS Football, UTSA had to convince the city host at the Alamodome even on Friday's before the Roadrunners played..so it doesnt surprise me they are not doing a good job trying to get HS Football there...its simply not important to those in charge and that's first hand knowledge
Until the coaches raise a stink about rotating the title games the UIL isn't moving it....and the UIL listens to the coaches (see the targeting rule change)...our survey in the magazine "only" got 252 head coaches to answer but it was pretty lopsided in the result...if the coaches start screaming then the UIL may listen...
The comment about the UIL and money and Coaching School isn't valid...the UIL gets zero dollars from coaching school, thats a THSCA thing...they do it so the coaches won't have the excuse of summer workouts to miss getting their certifications etc...they did the same thing two weeks ago for Girls Coaching School as well...
As far as the revenue goes for the title games I know the schools get to keep a % of their pre-sale ticket revenue and then the daily gate is divided up between the UIL, the six schools playing that day and then paying the officials a % of the gate among other things...I know in the past smaller schools usually take home around 20k and the larger schools can make upwards of 60-70k....
According to the UIL the contract with FSSW is for multiple sports and that money goes into the general fund and a portion of that is mileage reimbursements for the schools, so in a sense football funds some of the other sports activities, etc.
I'm all for a rotation, but until San Antonio can actually put a bid out to beat Jerry Jones AND puts the money into the Alamodome to fix the locker rooms (and expand the pressbox because as it currently stands they can not handle the amount of media that covers the title games) I dont know if they'll get to host...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 19:38:54 GMT -6
Stop saying "the coaches don't want to play there". BS. This is all about money and corruption with the UIL. Stop being a puppet dude.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jul 24, 2019 19:50:04 GMT -6
Stop saying "the coaches don't want to play there". BS. This is all about money and corruption with the UIL. Stop being a puppet dude. Have you asked the coaches?? Because we did....(252 of them) You are entitled to your opinion, but I try to at least ask folks who are impacted and get their feelings...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 19:53:16 GMT -6
Stop saying "the coaches don't want to play there". BS. This is all about money and corruption with the UIL. Stop being a puppet dude. Translates, "I know you are working off more info than me". "Fantastic", " I know its all about making good financial decisions and hosting the games in the best venue possible that accommodates txhsfb the best". "I wish I had your job". Sorry mattsteppdctf . Sometimes the Chino translation button doesnt work.
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Post by rtxc1 on Jul 24, 2019 20:22:51 GMT -6
The year it was in Houston it sucked because a lot of teams were new teams that no one had ever heard of or cared about. No one wants to see Frisco Lone Star. Who are they? That being said, Houston is just different than DFW. I have lived in both places. Houston is an international city and very diverse. We have huge populations of people that did not grow up here and simply do not follow American football. DFW on the other hand, is not diverse at all. lol. And people grew up on HS football. I love Houston because of the diversity and culture that I did not find while in Dallas. But on the other hand, DFW supports better because there are more people there born and raised in Texas on HS football. You will never convince someone from DFW that it shouldn't be in DFW or that it should be rotated. People in DFW are pretentious and self centered. And they only go to sporting events to be seen and say they were there. I'm glad I do not live there anymore. DFW isn't diverse? Of over 7 million people in the Metroplex, the breakdown is about 46% white, 29% hispanic, 16% african american, 8% asian, 17% foreign born. Greater Houston has just under 7 million people, with 37% hispanic, 35% white, 17% african american, 8% asian, 22% foreign born. Okay, Houston leans more hispanic than white in comparison to DFW, but DFW is a far cry from "not diverse at all." Your last statement is a ridiculous generalization that is far from the truth. I am a huge advocate for rotating the games, but understand why it doesn't. On a side note, it doesn't matter who was playing, Houston fans should have been excited about hosting state for the first time and showed up. And I do think DFW fans would be more inclined to travel if they knew it was rotating among the 3 sites rather than feeling like the Houston games was just a one-off (as turned out to be the case). datausa.io/profile/geo/dallas-fort-worth-arlington-tx-metro-area#demographicsdatausa.io/profile/geo/houston-sugar-land-baytown-tx-metro-area#demographics
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 22:22:23 GMT -6
Spare me the BS and to the other guy spare me the butt kissing job. Its horse crap based on common sense. Anyone that thinks its fair for 1 team to travel 8 hours while the other team travels 15 minutes has crap for brains... or is a tool. Spare me your made up numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 22:24:31 GMT -6
Stop saying "the coaches don't want to play there". BS. This is all about money and corruption with the UIL. Stop being a puppet dude. Translates, "I know you are working off more info than me". "Fantastic", " I know its all about making good financial decisions and hosting the games in the best venue possible that accommodates txhsfb the best". "I wish I had your job". Sorry mattsteppdctf . Sometimes the Chino translation button doesnt work.Β ...says the meathead whose team only has to travel 2 seconds to the stadium. Yeah you're opinion is totally unbiased.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 22:45:25 GMT -6
Translates, "I know you are working off more info than me". "Fantastic", " I know its all about making good financial decisions and hosting the games in the best venue possible that accommodates txhsfb the best". "I wish I had your job". Sorry mattsteppdctf . Sometimes the Chino translation button doesnt work. ...says the meathead whose team only has to travel 2 seconds to the stadium. Yeah you're opinion is totally unbiased. My opinion is supported by facts and is considerate of all of Texas. Not just the teams south of SA.
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Post by wooderson on Jul 25, 2019 7:46:57 GMT -6
Considering that the furthest distance according to maps that any team has traveled to Arlington was Gruver this year. It was a little over 6 hours. Calallen traveled right at 6 hours when they played for the title a few years ago. Considering that it took Canadian almost 9 hours to get to Houston in 2015, a little over 6 is easy. Again it is the small schools year in and year out that have the greater travel distance then the big schools. I would consider it an issue but the big schools have had wonderful crowds at AT&T so it doesn't appear to affect them too bad. To me if the small schools don't mind then it should be a mute point because it does't seem to be affecting their attendance. Now one thing I could do if I was the UIL would be to give non Metroplex teams a larger take of the gate since they are having to house teams, bands, pep squads etc... and the Metroplex teams don't
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Post by FB fan on Jul 25, 2019 8:56:40 GMT -6
Championship games attendance numbers. 2015 was in Houston.
Title game.........2017..........2016............2015. 6A Division 1......43,191........30,013..........28,841 6A Division II.....23,712........40,318..........43,718 5A Division I......24,975........35,089..........15,743 5A Division II.....28,163........25,983..........13,479 4A Division I......18,043........24,139..........17,932 4A Division II.....20,851........17,653..........13,635 3A Division I......12,636........20,334..........10,357 3A Division II.....12,636........18,812...........9,291 2A Division I.......7,431........15,017...........6,528 2A Division II......9,137.........7,953...........6,619
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:18:23 GMT -6
Championship games attendance numbers. 2015 was in Houston. Title game.........2017..........2016............2015. 6A Division 1......43,191........30,013..........28,841 6A Division II.....23,712........40,318..........43,718 5A Division I......24,975........35,089..........15,743 5A Division II.....28,163........25,983..........13,479 4A Division I......18,043........24,139..........17,932 4A Division II.....20,851........17,653..........13,635 3A Division I......12,636........20,334..........10,357 3A Division II.....12,636........18,812...........9,291 2A Division I.......7,431........15,017...........6,528 2A Division II......9,137.........7,953...........6,619 2017 dropped off a good bit from 2016 in almost every classification. But I don't care anymore where it's at. I'll be watching from home anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:18:41 GMT -6
Championship games attendance numbers. 2015 was in Houston. Title game.........2017..........2016............2015. 6A Division 1......43,191........30,013..........28,841 6A Division II.....23,712........40,318..........43,718 5A Division I......24,975........35,089..........15,743 5A Division II.....28,163........25,983..........13,479 4A Division I......18,043........24,139..........17,932 4A Division II.....20,851........17,653..........13,635 3A Division I......12,636........20,334..........10,357 3A Division II.....12,636........18,812...........9,291 2A Division I.......7,431........15,017...........6,528 2A Division II......9,137.........7,953...........6,619 How many of those in attendance were fans of the 2 teams involved? That's the point you aren't understanding. The state championship game should be about the 2 teams involved not who the UIL can make the most money off of.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 25, 2019 9:21:59 GMT -6
Championship games attendance numbers. 2015 was in Houston. Title game.........2017..........2016............2015. 6A Division 1......43,191........30,013..........28,841 6A Division II.....23,712........40,318..........43,718 5A Division I......24,975........35,089..........15,743 5A Division II.....28,163........25,983..........13,479 4A Division I......18,043........24,139..........17,932 4A Division II.....20,851........17,653..........13,635 3A Division I......12,636........20,334..........10,357 3A Division II.....12,636........18,812...........9,291 2A Division I.......7,431........15,017...........6,528 2A Division II......9,137.........7,953...........6,619 2017 dropped off a good bit from 2016 in almost every cl***ification. But I don't care anymore where it's at. I'll be watching from home anyway. You and many thousands all over the country will be able to watch, record and enjoy the games including the hometown fans of the teams playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:52:28 GMT -6
2017 dropped off a good bit from 2016 in almost every cl***ification. But I don't care anymore where it's at. I'll be watching from home anyway. You and many thousands all over the country will be able to watch, record and enjoy the games including the hometown fans of the teams playing. The same could be said if the game is played literally anywhere else. So like I said it should come down to the 2 teams involved not who the UIL or FSSW can make the most money off.
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