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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 0:03:27 GMT -6
Just for grins I was looking to see how close PLC was to the smallest 4A School. Heres what I found.
1. Dallas Lincoln 712 Opted Up 2. Austin Eastside Memorial 771 Opted Up 3. Ft Worth Dunbar 786.5 Opted Up 4. Dallas Pinkston 1019 5. Freeport Brazosport 1022 6. Dallas Seagoville 1024 7. North Forney 1031 8. Beeville Jones 1035 9. Medina Valley 1039 10. Houston Wheatley 1042 11. Austin Reagan 1051.5 12. Terrell 1052 13. San Elizario 1085 14. Lumberton 1087 15. Tuloso-Midway 1097 16. Bay City 1098 17. Lucas Lovejoy 1104 18. Lindale 1114 19. Little Cypress-Mauriceville 1123 20. Port Lavaca Calhoun 1125.5
Was really surprised to find Calhoun so close to the bottom of 4A.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 22, 2013 5:04:14 GMT -6
PLC is not as low as fellow 30-4A Beeville Jones or Tuloso-Midway.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Aug 22, 2013 5:55:35 GMT -6
PLC is not as low as fellow 30-4A Beeville Jones or Tuloso-Midway. A true statement. however only 90 students seperate Bee (@ #8 from the bottom) from PLC (@ #20 from bottom). I don't know the #'s but the other end of the 4A class is probably almost double our size...and that makes a BIG difference come playoff time. When it comes to schools like LT (2005-2010) they were on the bubble of moving up to 5A, I'd bet the # of students that tried out for football was close to the # of PLC's total student body. It translaltes to more #'s, depth (LT's 2nd stringers could easily start @ PLC) Not taking anything away from PLC, at all...It's just that we are fighting an uphill battle from the start. I'd like to see the classes be devided into D1 & D2 by cutting the class down the middle and let the upper 50% go D1 and the Lower 50% go D2. Seems to me it would be more fair. JMO
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2013 8:13:23 GMT -6
PLC is not as low as fellow 30-4A Beeville Jones or Tuloso-Midway. A true statement. however only 90 students seperate Bee (@ #8 from the bottom) from PLC (@ #20 from bottom). I don't know the #'s but the other end of the 4A class is probably almost double our size...and that makes a BIG difference come playoff time. When it comes to schools like LT (2005-2010) they were on the bubble of moving up to 5A, I'd bet the # of students that tried out for football was close to the # of PLC's total student body. It translaltes to more #'s, depth (LT's 2nd stringers could easily start @ PLC) Not taking anything away from PLC, at all...It's just that we are fighting an uphill battle from the start. I'd like to see the classes be devided into D1 & D2 by cutting the class down the middle and let the upper 50% go D1 and the Lower 50% go D2. Seems to me it would be more fair. JMO Largest school in 4A is Mission, which had 2084 students. Denton Guyer is (I believe) the fifth-largest at 2064. I'm in agreement on the D1/D2, but it's probably headed that way anyway. Probably within the next couple of realignments UIL will split 4A into D1/D2 the way they've done in 1A, 2A. The unfairness of it is that Cedar Park is toward the larger end of 4A and got to go D2 because they have a couple of big schools in their district.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Aug 22, 2013 8:38:07 GMT -6
A true statement. however only 90 students seperate Bee (@ #8 from the bottom) from PLC (@ #20 from bottom). I don't know the #'s but the other end of the 4A class is probably almost double our size...and that makes a BIG difference come playoff time. When it comes to schools like LT (2005-2010) they were on the bubble of moving up to 5A, I'd bet the # of students that tried out for football was close to the # of PLC's total student body. It translaltes to more #'s, depth (LT's 2nd stringers could easily start @ PLC) Not taking anything away from PLC, at all...It's just that we are fighting an uphill battle from the start. I'd like to see the classes be devided into D1 & D2 by cutting the class down the middle and let the upper 50% go D1 and the Lower 50% go D2. Seems to me it would be more fair. JMO Largest school in 4A is Mission, which had 2084 students. Denton Guyer is (I believe) the fifth-largest at 2064. I'm in agreement on the D1/D2, but it's probably headed that way anyway. Probably within the next couple of realignments UIL will split 4A into D1/D2 the way they've done in 1A, 2A. The unfairness of it is that Cedar Park is toward the larger end of 4A and got to go D2 because they have a couple of big schools in their district. Yes sir, that's kinda my point but i didn't have the #'s in front of me to make an accurate statement. Basically it was LT for several years, now it's CP for at least a couple more years, then ******* after that. If the class was divided in half it would soften that blow a great deal. Hopefully soon.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2013 8:48:07 GMT -6
Largest school in 4A is Mission, which had 2084 students. Denton Guyer is (I believe) the fifth-largest at 2064. I'm in agreement on the D1/D2, but it's probably headed that way anyway. Probably within the next couple of realignments UIL will split 4A into D1/D2 the way they've done in 1A, 2A. The unfairness of it is that Cedar Park is toward the larger end of 4A and got to go D2 because they have a couple of big schools in their district. Yes sir, that's kinda my point but i didn't have the #'s in front of me to make an accurate statement. Basically it was LT for several years, now it's CP for at least a couple more years, then ******* after that. If the class was divided in half it would soften that blow a great deal. Hopefully soon. Thing is, though, that splitting the class in half makes travel a bit more difficult. Not sure how much more (especially in PLC's case, since out of your current district you'd basically only be losing the Victorias) and in the larger metros it's not a big deal, but in West Texas and parts of South Texas it would make a big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:05:50 GMT -6
PLC is not as low as fellow 30-4A Beeville Jones or Tuloso-Midway. True but PLC T-m And Beeville are all smaller than the smallest school in 31-4A
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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 22, 2013 9:09:05 GMT -6
PLC is not as low as fellow 30-4A Beeville Jones or Tuloso-Midway. True but PLC T-m And Beeville are all smaller than the smallest school in 31-4A Those numbers on Miller are misleading. Miller is comparable to TM for numbers. That magnet shool adds numbers to Miller that are not numbers for the Athletic Department to draw from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:10:52 GMT -6
True but PLC T-m And Beeville are all smaller than the smallest school in 31-4A Those numbers on Miller are misleading. Miller is comparable to TM for numbers. That magnet shool adds numbers to Miller that are not numbers for the Athletic Department to draw from. I just use the numbers provided.
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 22, 2013 9:33:14 GMT -6
True but PLC T-m And Beeville are all smaller than the smallest school in 31-4A Those numbers on Miller are misleading. Miller is comparable to TM for numbers. That magnet shool adds numbers to Miller that are not numbers for the Athletic Department to draw from. True the magnet school hurts miller... But also if TM closed their boundaries again they'd lose between 300-500 kids... They thought about it one time but didn't want to drop two classes or be a small 3a at best so they left the bouderies open to make $$$$... It really sucks for them cause they'd do better lower
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Post by CrabFan-1977 on Aug 22, 2013 11:41:27 GMT -6
Those numbers on Miller are misleading. Miller is comparable to TM for numbers. That magnet shool adds numbers to Miller that are not numbers for the Athletic Department to draw from. I just use the numbers provided. I think the numbers for PLC are a bit misleading as well. As someone from PLC posted a few months ago, we have a large asian population in our county and really don't have the participation from them in football. By no means is this a negative comment, just merely pointing out the disadvantage for us come snapshot day.
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Post by danrut on Aug 22, 2013 11:46:08 GMT -6
This is the enrollments for district 30 & 31. 1Bee 1035 1TM 1097 1PLC 1125.5 1Cal 1202 1Miller 1214 1GP 1360 1Alice 1411 1cig 1435.5 2West 1701 2FB 1840 2East 1841 2Martin 1879 2Moody 1961 2Nixon 2026.5 2Ray 2058
If you take the 245 schools that are currently in 4a that did not opt up, the bottom school is at 1019. The 122nd school (last one that would be DII if they made them even) is at 1591. Of course there is a lot more to look at, but it wouldn't be bad for us here. I would think Cig would opt up to D1 to stay with the other Laredo schools. If nothing else, it would put to rest all the recent bickering on who would win, PLC or Alice!
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Post by otter on Aug 22, 2013 12:33:44 GMT -6
I just use the numbers provided. I think the numbers for PLC are a bit misleading as well. As someone from PLC posted a few months ago, we have a large asian population in our county and really don't have the participation from them in football. By no means is this a negative comment, just merely pointing out the disadvantage for us come snapshot day. Sorry, but that is about as dumb as saying - our numbers are misleading as well. We have a large female population in our ... One of the last (if not the last) great college football player from this area was Dat Ngyuen. So instead of using the Thai and Vietnam population as a lame excuse (which by the way PLC and its success doesn't need), why don't you go recruit those guys and teach them the game, like Rockport use to do and imagine the success you could have.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 22, 2013 12:48:27 GMT -6
I think the numbers for PLC are a bit misleading as well. As someone from PLC posted a few months ago, we have a large asian population in our county and really don't have the participation from them in football. By no means is this a negative comment, just merely pointing out the disadvantage for us come snapshot day. Sorry, but that is about as dumb as saying - our numbers are misleading as well. We have a large female population in our ... One of the last (if not the last) great college football player from this area was Dat Ngyuen. So instead of using the Thai and Vietnam population as a lame excuse (which by the way PLC and its success doesn't need), why don't you go recruit those guys and teach them the game, like Rockport use to do and imagine the success you could have. I understand what he was saying and have some experience there. My son went to HS in Hawaii. He, others from the mainland and Islanders played football. He, others from the mainland and those of Japanese heritage played baseball. Two all but a very few completely separate groups. It was kind of strange having grown up in Texas.
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Post by CrabFan-1977 on Aug 22, 2013 13:55:06 GMT -6
I think the numbers for PLC are a bit misleading as well. As someone from PLC posted a few months ago, we have a large asian population in our county and really don't have the participation from them in football. By no means is this a negative comment, just merely pointing out the disadvantage for us come snapshot day. Sorry, but that is about as dumb as saying - our numbers are misleading as well. We have a large female population in our ... One of the last (if not the last) great college football player from this area was Dat Ngyuen. So instead of using the Thai and Vietnam population as a lame excuse (which by the way PLC and its success doesn't need), why don't you go recruit those guys and teach them the game, like Rockport use to do and imagine the success you could have. It isn't a lame excuse, that's just the way it is. For whatever reason, they just do not play. You don't think Whit has already tried recruiting them? If anyone can get you motivated, it would be him. We did have one as our place kicker a few years back and he did a great job for us and a few others that have played here and there.
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