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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 9:25:49 GMT -6
Let's settle this question once and for all. If your program has ever had a player move in from another district after the 9th grade, there are rumors that you "recruit." If your program is not a perennial doormat, there are rumors that you "recruit." Wrong. You are making the case for stuff I'm not arguing. I would think as a moderator you would have more sense than to do so. I'm done doing the broken record thing. You kids see what you want no matter how specific I am. Grow up. I'm pointing out that there are rumors of recruiting around basically every program. This is why claiming that x program recruits is silly. There are rumors that basically every good program in DFW recruits, but even when the UIL does actually find that a kid transferred for athletic purposes (Daxx Garman, Southlake Carroll) they found the program blameless in all of it. Most of the time it's what I call "silent recruiting." The kid wants to play for a better team and up his chances of getting a scholarship, so the parents buy a house in a neighborhood where that will happen. But that's not what I would call recruiting. That implies that the coach is actively calling up players at rival schools.
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Post by cochino on Aug 7, 2013 11:09:06 GMT -6
Wrong. You are making the case for stuff I'm not arguing. I would think as a moderator you would have more sense than to do so. I'm done doing the broken record thing. You kids see what you want no matter how specific I am. Grow up. I'm interested to know what you think of the transfers Calhoun got. 2 db's from Refugio, 2 offensive linemen with potential D1 offers, and another from Victoria east. So my question is this, does Whitaker recruit? I know why the kids came here, but I'm wondering what your opinion is. Honestly, no sarcasm or cochinoisms, just an honest opinion. Im not gonna talk trash about something I have no knowledge of. I don't know about your transfers. I never said Whitaker recruits. My hatred for Danaher is because of the specific recruiting. I could care less about the people that transfer on their own. But I know specifics on Danahers recruiting. I find it hilarious that a Calallen fan is on here claiming they played me on the other site when admitting they recruit. Nope. I mean he can speak for himself if he wants but it does go on. And as far as this other dude claiming theres no way Danaher recruits because UIL would have come down on him... lmao. Sure. Apparently not since it hasnt happened.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 11:12:40 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more.
Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way.
Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years.
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 11:43:41 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. yep. Parents aren't stupid. When a program like Guyer has ten seniors sign college scholarships -- basically, all but one or two of the seniors who started last year -- parents are going to notice that. Only three of those went D-1, but that means that the coaching staff is developing the kids and willing to do the legwork to get them noticed by college coaches. It's one thing if you have a 6'6", 250-pound megabeast who's getting scholarship offers, but getting your 5'10", 180-pound receiver who doesn't have blazing speed in the position to get a scholarship says a lot. Does that mean Guyer is going to get move-ins? Yes, but that doesn't mean the coaching staff is doing anything wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 12:12:46 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. And I can tell you with sports that require less players on the field, it can be double edged sword for being one of those schools people look in the area to move in. Like with Baseball, you have kids who have worked their butts off since t-ball in our area who when they get to the varsity level, get bumped from their chance to shine on the stage thanks to a transfer. In some cases, those transfers have been worthy of their new found spot on the roster. And then a few others, I didn't see why at least from what I observed in games and even a few practices. Coaches will of course see other variables we don't as fans and certainly that plays a roll. But you better believe it doesn't make the kid who has worked his tail off and grown up with others on the team and some parents happy. I've heard more than my share grumbling over the years. You can't say the methods haven't worked as the record shows here. At the same time, the perception that everyone is giddy about the rumors of (fill in the blank) moving in from Anytown, USA is false as well. Personally I like the fact we are everyone's radar in regards to baseball and all slots should be open anytime during the season. An no, some of the views to contrary I've heard over the years don't necessarily come from parent. friend or relatives of a particaluar kid who might be in the program or played in the past. In regards to football, this recruiting things Coochino is adamant about is a bunch of hooey for lack of a better word. If I were planning on moving like at times I wish I could to Kerrville, Boerne, or the Canyon Lake area, I'd certainly call around the different AD's and coaches of the sports my kids played in to get a feel before I jumped into renting or purchasing a home. Now if a coach and I got into a conversation about my kid and he asked what was his stats in regards to total tackles or on base percentage or three point goals and at the end of the conversation he said his high school scheme would be perfect for him to excel and reach the next level, would that be considered recruiting? I think not. But some including the broken record who is making this charge would say it is recruiting.
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Post by johnnyduval on Aug 7, 2013 12:35:19 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. I think it might start from a casual conversation like one I had with Danaher about my son during 7 on 7 last year. "That's a good looking athlete...he would fit in well over here"...I laughed and said you think and then thanks for the compliment, looks like you have everything covered. Nothing more said.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 7, 2013 12:37:58 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. And I can tell you with sports that require less players on the field, it can be double edged sword for being one of those schools people look in the area to move in. Like with Baseball, you have kids who have worked their butts off since t-ball in our area who when they get to the varsity level, get bumped from their chance to shine on the stage thanks to a transfer. In some cases, those transfers have been worthy of their new found spot on the roster. And then a few others, I didn't see why at least from what I observed in games and even a few practices. Coaches will of course see other variables we don't as fans and certainly that plays a roll. But you better believe it doesn't make the kid who has worked his tail off and grown up with others on the team and some parents happy. I've heard more than my share grumbling over the years. You can't say the methods haven't worked as the record shows here. At the same time, the perception that everyone is giddy about the rumors of (fill in the blank) moving in from Anytown, USA is false as well. Personally I like the fact we are everyone's radar in regards to baseball and all slots should be open anytime during the season. An no, some of the views to contrary I've heard over the years don't necessarily come from parent. friend or relatives of a particaluar kid who might be in the program or played in the past. In regards to football, this recruiting things Coochino is adamant about is a bunch of hooey for lack of a better word. If I were planning on moving like at times I wish I could to Kerrville, Boerne, or the Canyon Lake area, I'd certainly call around the different AD's and coaches of the sports my kids played in to get a feel before I jumped into renting or purchasing a home. Now if a coach and I got into a conversation about my kid and he asked what was his stats in regards to total tackles or on base percentage or three point goals and at the end of the conversation he said his high school scheme would be perfect for him to excel and reach the next level, would that be considered recruiting? I think not. But some including the broken record who is making this charge would say it is recruiting. No doubt about it STFF, it can be a problem as you've stated for sure! I'm sure there are many deserving kids who've put in the work and hope to start their SR year only to 'lose' their spot to a move in. That has got to be a very, very hard pill to swallow.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 7, 2013 12:43:06 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. I think it might start from a casual conversation like one I had with Danaher about my son during 7 on 7 last year. "That's a good looking athlete...he would fit in well over here"...I laughed and said you think and then thanks for the compliment, looks like you have everything covered. Nothing more said. Gotta hand it to Danaher there he has an eye for the future. #14 "fit it well" over there in the middle of their O all night long stuffing one run after another just a few weeks later. LOL
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 13:16:04 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. And I can tell you with sports that require less players on the field, it can be double edged sword for being one of those schools people look in the area to move in. Like with Baseball, you have kids who have worked their butts off since t-ball in our area who when they get to the varsity level, get bumped from their chance to shine on the stage thanks to a transfer. In some cases, those transfers have been worthy of their new found spot on the roster. And then a few others, I didn't see why at least from what I observed in games and even a few practices. Coaches will of course see other variables we don't as fans and certainly that plays a roll. But you better believe it doesn't make the kid who has worked his tail off and grown up with others on the team and some parents happy. I've heard more than my share grumbling over the years. You can't say the methods haven't worked as the record shows here. At the same time, the perception that everyone is giddy about the rumors of (fill in the blank) moving in from Anytown, USA is false as well. Personally I like the fact we are everyone's radar in regards to baseball and all slots should be open anytime during the season. An no, some of the views to contrary I've heard over the years don't necessarily come from parent. friend or relatives of a particaluar kid who might be in the program or played in the past. In regards to football, this recruiting things Coochino is adamant about is a bunch of hooey for lack of a better word. If I were planning on moving like at times I wish I could to Kerrville, Boerne, or the Canyon Lake area, I'd certainly call around the different AD's and coaches of the sports my kids played in to get a feel before I jumped into renting or purchasing a home. Now if a coach and I got into a conversation about my kid and he asked what was his stats in regards to total tackles or on base percentage or three point goals and at the end of the conversation he said his high school scheme would be perfect for him to excel and reach the next level, would that be considered recruiting? I think not. But some including the broken record who is making this charge would say it is recruiting. My HS basketball team had a move-in during my junior year. Kid had previously been homeschooled and lived in Mississippi, parents bought a house in my high school's attendance zone before his senior year and enrolled him there because he wanted to increase his recruiting profile. I'm sure there was some kid and parents who were upset about a move-in taking his starting spot/playing time. I'm also sure they kept the state championship ring, lol.
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 7, 2013 14:31:53 GMT -6
I believe actual 'recruiting' at the hs level happens very, very seldom. It is more like what Tom states here. If you have an established program that wins consistently and goes deep, you are going to get move ins, wanted or not. It is part of being a successful program, nothing more. Hell, I'm going to be completely honest and tell you all if my son was a stud and we were moving to another area......you damn right I'd be looking at what hs he was going to be attending and playing at! Now, would I actually move my son simply to play at a particular HS..........I seriously doubt it unless the one he was at was that terrible or that coaching staff was not looking out for his best interest in some way. Guys, I know of at least 4 move ins since January at Steele including one from out of state just in the last few weeks. I don't know that any of the 4 will start but I'd bet cold hard cash all will get PT this year. It is just part of being Blessed & Lucky to have been successful these last few years. And I can tell you with sports that require less players on the field, it can be double edged sword for being one of those schools people look in the area to move in. Like with Baseball, you have kids who have worked their butts off since t-ball in our area who when they get to the varsity level, get bumped from their chance to shine on the stage thanks to a transfer. In some cases, those transfers have been worthy of their new found spot on the roster. And then a few others, I didn't see why at least from what I observed in games and even a few practices. Coaches will of course see other variables we don't as fans and certainly that plays a roll. But you better believe it doesn't make the kid who has worked his tail off and grown up with others on the team and some parents happy. I've heard more than my share grumbling over the years. You can't say the methods haven't worked as the record shows here. At the same time, the perception that everyone is giddy about the rumors of (fill in the blank) moving in from Anytown, USA is false as well. Personally I like the fact we are everyone's radar in regards to baseball and all slots should be open anytime during the season. An no, some of the views to contrary I've heard over the years don't necessarily come from parent. friend or relatives of a particaluar kid who might be in the program or played in the past. In regards to football, this recruiting things Coochino is adamant about is a bunch of hooey for lack of a better word. If I were planning on moving like at times I wish I could to Kerrville, Boerne, or the Canyon Lake area, I'd certainly call around the different AD's and coaches of the sports my kids played in to get a feel before I jumped into renting or purchasing a home. Now if a coach and I got into a conversation about my kid and he asked what was his stats in regards to total tackles or on base percentage or three point goals and at the end of the conversation he said his high school scheme would be perfect for him to excel and reach the next level, would that be considered recruiting? I think not. But some including the broken record who is making this charge would say it is recruiting. The situation between my junior and senior year with the QB that moved in from GP to TM made a lot of us max too. He came in and took/was given the starting spot in front of the guy the entire team looked to as a leader. Then when that kid left TM for Cal we were happy that the one we all wanted to be the started was put back in the proper place he deserved. I also remember when I coached at Kingsville we heard about a kid that was moving in from Alabama that was supposed to be a beast. Hafley was all excited, the kid came in and was 6'4 250 or so, looked like a manimal, then he got on the field and looked like Tarzan plays like Jane didn't even come close. I'm not sure he could have busted toilet paper... I also know there is a particular coach that has been between robstown and cal and had a stud athlete son that was smart as a genius as well and received a scholarship to rice. That kid could have went to robstown and maybe got an academic scholarship but his dad moved him to cal for his future and when he graduated he went back to working for robstown and has always said it was his decision not recruiting that put his son in cal.
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Post by cochino on Aug 7, 2013 16:24:33 GMT -6
Enough with all the excuses and garbage. I'll make it very simple... IF YOUR KID IS REALLY THAT GOOD HE WILL GET NOTICED NO MATTER WHERE HE PLAYS. Alice has put at least 3 players in the NFL. Marv Brown, Chris Brazzell and Sonny Brown. Sonny Brown was the MVP of the Orange Bowl on the Oklahoma Sooners National Championship team in the mid 1980's. How many NFL players has Calallen put out? Jack squat. Alice had 2 players on just the 2005 team sign scholarships with Baylor and Oklahoma State. And that team didn't even make the playoffs. So give me a break with the "my kid needs to go to X school to get noticed" nonsense.
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Post by danrut on Aug 7, 2013 17:28:29 GMT -6
So, you think that an DL that wants to get noticed can do so on a team that he will be triple teamed on every snap? Or a OL on a team that has no RB's that can break even 1 tackle? Or do you think a DL could get a tackle if the other team never runs his way because the other side is soft? Or the other OL is throwing him a dbl team every snap?Most of these kids gets noticed for the first time because of some eye popping stats. Good players on bad teams get noticed way less than average kids on good teams. You and I may notice them if we see them every week, but we don't count. The scouts do.
If a team goes 2-3-4 rounds in the playoffs, they have a much better chance to get noticed than a team that plays 10 and done. Those 2-3-4 round games are usually done in larger venues. Ones that have the chance for 4-6 teams to be at. I have sat with scouts at these venues that came to see "no one in particular". Would that have happened if 2-7 team was playing 1-8 team? No way.
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Post by avert on Aug 7, 2013 18:04:48 GMT -6
I thought this thread was about sub varsity impact, not how Danaher and Whitaker recruit?!
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Post by cochino on Aug 7, 2013 18:15:35 GMT -6
So, you think that an DL that wants to get noticed can do so on a team that he will be triple teamed on every snap? Or a OL on a team that has no RB's that can break even 1 tackle? Or do you think a DL could get a tackle if the other team never runs his way because the other side is soft? Or the other OL is throwing him a dbl team every snap?Most of these kids gets noticed for the first time because of some eye popping stats. Good players on bad teams get noticed way less than average kids on good teams. You and I may notice them if we see them every week, but we don't count. The scouts do. If a team goes 2-3-4 rounds in the playoffs, they have a much better chance to get noticed than a team that plays 10 and done. Those 2-3-4 round games are usually done in larger venues. Ones that have the chance for 4-6 teams to be at. I have sat with scouts at these venues that came to see "no one in particular". Would that have happened if 2-7 team was playing 1-8 team? No way. Nonsense. Like I said, Randy King and Trent Perkins of Alice's 2005 team both got scholarships to D1 Big 12 schools and they were on a little Alice team that didn't even make the playoffs. There is another example I want to use but I can't remember which player it was. It's a receiver in the NFL a couple of years ago. He was on a high school team that went 0-10 and ran the Wishbone. Your example of a 4-6 team as opposed to a team making it 2 or 3 rounds deep in the playoffs is bogus. More players get noticed on those deep playoff teams because those teams are going deep for a reason... because they have those stud players. You think Adrian Peterson wouldn't have been noticed if he played for Moody? You think Peyton Manning wouldn't have been noticed if he played for Robstown? Nonsense. Scouts aren't stupid.
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2013 19:19:01 GMT -6
So, you think that an DL that wants to get noticed can do so on a team that he will be triple teamed on every snap? Or a OL on a team that has no RB's that can break even 1 tackle? Or do you think a DL could get a tackle if the other team never runs his way because the other side is soft? Or the other OL is throwing him a dbl team every snap?Most of these kids gets noticed for the first time because of some eye popping stats. Good players on bad teams get noticed way less than average kids on good teams. You and I may notice them if we see them every week, but we don't count. The scouts do. If a team goes 2-3-4 rounds in the playoffs, they have a much better chance to get noticed than a team that plays 10 and done. Those 2-3-4 round games are usually done in larger venues. Ones that have the chance for 4-6 teams to be at. I have sat with scouts at these venues that came to see "no one in particular". Would that have happened if 2-7 team was playing 1-8 team? No way. Nonsense. Like I said, Randy King and Trent Perkins of Alice's 2005 team both got scholarships to D1 Big 12 schools and they were on a little Alice team that didn't even make the playoffs. There is another example I want to use but I can't remember which player it was. It's a receiver in the NFL a couple of years ago. He was on a high school team that went 0-10 and ran the Wishbone. Your example of a 4-6 team as opposed to a team making it 2 or 3 rounds deep in the playoffs is bogus. More players get noticed on those deep playoff teams because those teams are going deep for a reason... because they have those stud players. You think Adrian Peterson wouldn't have been noticed if he played for Moody? You think Peyton Manning wouldn't have been noticed if he played for Robstown? Nonsense. Scouts aren't stupid. The crux of this question is silly. Moody and Robstown wouldn't suck if they had a Peyton Manning or an Adrian Peterson on the team. Aside from which, the Peyton Mannings and Adrian Petersons of the world will get noticed no matter where they play. Even Bradley Stephens got a scholarship to A&M, and he played at McAllen Memorial. Big 12 and SEC schools have basically unlimited recruiting budgets, and if they get wind of a megabeast who happens to play in some podunk town, they'll send somebody to check him out. But that's not the case when you get into fringe D-1 or small-college prospects. A&M-Commerce and its ilk have limited recruiting budgets, and they're not about to blow that sending a scout down to watch a 1-9 team on the off chance that they might have one or two guys who can play.
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