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Post by Saltydog on May 13, 2013 20:51:13 GMT -6
1. Cedar Park 2. Denton Guyer 3. Wichita Falls Rider 4. Aledo 5. Nederland 6. Pearland Dawson 7. Lucas Lovejoy 8. Whitehouse 9. Lancaster 10. Ennis
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Post by cujo2002 on May 14, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -6
i'm sleeping on them because their do it all back is gone. I find it hard to believe they will find another like him. They will have to be a dark horse in my eye for now. True, but you're still talking about a program that's won at least 10 games in 10 of the last 11 seasons, and has been at least to the quarterfinals in 9 of the last 11 seasons. That's consistency. I'm sorry, but they are coming from region 1 who are they really playing out there until they get to the DFW
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Post by Tom on May 14, 2013 19:32:26 GMT -6
True, but you're still talking about a program that's won at least 10 games in 10 of the last 11 seasons, and has been at least to the quarterfinals in 9 of the last 11 seasons. That's consistency. I'm sorry, but they are coming from region 1 who are they really playing out there until they get to the DFW This is a strange line of argument for two reasons: 1. Aledo is in DFW. 2. Being in Region 1 doesn't seem to be affecting your assessment of Denton Guyer, Wichita Falls Rider, or Birdville. I'd be willing to bet that Aledo will be better than Birdville in 2013.
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Post by CC_Varmints on May 14, 2013 20:02:30 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but they are coming from region 1 who are they really playing out there until they get to the DFW This is a strange line of argument for two reasons: 1. Aledo is in DFW. 2. Being in Region 1 doesn't seem to be affecting your assessment of Denton Guyer, Wichita Falls Rider, or Birdville. I'd be willing to bet that Aledo will be better than Birdville in 2013. I 2nd that on Aledo.
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Post by CC_Varmints on May 15, 2013 7:33:03 GMT -6
Might have to redo my top 10...
From DCTF:
Starting from scratch
Nobody's going to feel bad for a team that has to replace lost starters. Why? Because almost every high school in the state has to fill some voids.
There are only a handful of teams in the state that are returning all 22 of their starters from last year, and that list is almost entirely comprised of schools in their infancy “like El Paso Eastlake, Georgetown East View, PSJA Southwest and Houston KIPP Sunnyside."
For literally every other team in Texas, there are holes to fill in the starting lineup, but that's part of the fun of football. You have your veterans “guys who have been there and proven they can be reliable pieces“ and you have your replacements “players getting their first crack at becoming a viable piece of the team."
But that doesn't mean that all teams are created equal in this. While almost everyone has someone to replace, some teams have far, far more to replace than others.
Take Tenaha, for example, the defending 1A Division II state runner-up. The Tigers are returning 20 of their 22 starters. Now, replacing those two starters won't be a picnic, but let's be honest: that's a pretty darn good place to be.
That's in stark contrast to a number of other teams, who have many, many holes to fill come fall.
Now, we've been over this before - a little more than a year ago, I did a study looking at the correlation between returning starters and success, and found that while state semifinalists had a higher-than-average number of returning starters, it wasn't by much. That said, we also found that state semifinalists averaged 5.9 returning starters on offense and 5.6 returning starters on defense, so experience does have its value.
And there are some units at very prominent programs - teams that we've come to expect a lot out of - that will be replacing a whole heck of a lot this season. Here are some of the "under construction" units that we've got our eye on.
Highland Park's offense The Scots are one of DFW's most decorated programs for a reason: they score in bunches. But it might be more of a struggle “at least early“ for HP this season, considering just one starter “mammoth OL Tony Richards“ returns for coach Randy Allen's crew. They'll need to find some playmakers if they're going to get back to their usual spot.
Other units we're keeping an eye on: Georgetown's defense (2 returning starters), Amarillo's offense (2 returning starters), Gregory-Portland's offense (2 returning starters).
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Post by CC_Varmints on May 15, 2013 7:55:11 GMT -6
After further review, here are my Top Ten:
1. Denton Guyer 2. Cedar Park 3. Wichita Falls Rider 4. Aledo 5. John Tyler 6. Lucas Lovejoy 7. Whitehouse 8. Pearland Dawson 9. Humble Summer Creek 10. Flour Bluff
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 15, 2013 11:15:01 GMT -6
What do Leander and Rouse return from their teams last year? Anybody have any numbers on either team??
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Post by Tom on May 15, 2013 11:18:57 GMT -6
It's crazy to think about but 2007 was the last time Highland Park made it past the regional round. They've been going 9-1/10-0 in the regular season every year and usually can get past the Frisco and DISD schools in the first couple of rounds, but trip up when they run into somebody like John Tyler or Waxahachie. (And after last year, getting past the Frisco schools is no longer automatic.)
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Post by cujo2002 on May 15, 2013 13:25:01 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but they are coming from region 1 who are they really playing out there until they get to the DFW This is a strange line of argument for two reasons: 1. Aledo is in DFW. 2. Being in Region 1 doesn't seem to be affecting your assessment of Denton Guyer, Wichita Falls Rider, or Birdville. I'd be willing to bet that Aledo will be better than Birdville in 2013. yes. i understand that, but by the time they get back to the DFW they are in the 3rd to 4th round. For the most part, they are playing teams from west texas that are not that good. that goes for every team that is coming from region 1 out of the DFW. it is a easier road than 2 or 3. at least that is how I see it.
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Post by cujo2002 on May 15, 2013 13:38:06 GMT -6
It's crazy to think about but 2007 was the last time Highland Park made it past the regional round. They've been going 9-1/10-0 in the regular season every year and usually can get past the Frisco and DISD schools in the first couple of rounds, but trip up when they run into somebody like John Tyler or Waxahachie. (And after last year, getting past the Frisco schools is no longer automatic.) I would have to say because the talent coming from these two teams had the power to score with highland park. Highland needs to find a defense to hold these teams at bay, which they haven't had. when JT best them. JT gave them the chance to get back into it. JT did not know how to finish off teams in 2011. in 2012 the running defense was a little bit better than 2011, but not where they did to be to get passed teams like Guyer
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Post by sotex on May 15, 2013 18:43:54 GMT -6
After further review, here are my Top Ten: 1. Denton Guyer 2. Cedar Park 3. Wichita Falls Rider 4. Aledo 5. John Tyler 6. Lucas Lovejoy 7. Whitehouse 8. Pearland Dawson 9. Humble Summer Creek 10. Flour Bluff I really don't see Flour Bluff in the top ten. Top 25, sure.
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Post by FB fan on May 16, 2013 7:56:25 GMT -6
After further review, here are my Top Ten: 1. Denton Guyer 2. Cedar Park 3. Wichita Falls Rider 4. Aledo 5. John Tyler 6. Lucas Lovejoy 7. Whitehouse 8. Pearland Dawson 9. Humble Summer Creek 10. Flour Bluff I really don't see Flour Bluff in the top ten. Top 25, sure. Did you see them at 13-1 and in the fourth round last season?
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Post by cujo2002 on May 16, 2013 10:36:39 GMT -6
I really don't see Flour Bluff in the top ten. Top 25, sure. Did you see them at 13-1 and in the fourth round last season? if I remember correctly they barely got pass Leander.
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Post by CC_Varmints on May 16, 2013 10:58:01 GMT -6
Did you see them at 13-1 and in the fourth round last season? if I remember correctly they barely got pass Leander. A Leander team that had two losses in 2012. One to 4A D2 State Champion Cedar Park and one to State Quarterfinalist Flour Bluff. Comparable to John Tyler that had two losses. One to 4A D2 State Finalist Lancaster and one to 4A D1 State Champion Denton Guyer.
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Post by cujo2002 on May 16, 2013 11:11:01 GMT -6
if I remember correctly they barely got pass Leander. A Leander team that had two losses in 2012. One to 4A D2 State Champion Cedar Park and one to State Quarterfinalist Flour Bluff. Comparable to John Tyler that had two losses. One to 4A D2 State Finalist Lancaster and one to 4A D1 State Champion Denton Guyer. touche
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