Fletcher Duque
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Post by Fletcher Duque on Jun 21, 2024 15:17:48 GMT -6
Just thought I'd share these rankings for everyone to see. They are based off a formula including Playoff Winning Percentage, District Championships, and State Championships. I originally made them for Texas High School Soccer, but had many coaches inquired using the same math to do it for TXHSFB, so they are. The biggest challenge was schools moving classes over the years, but I did my best. Feel free to debate and discuss, all statistics were used from the very best site out there, www.texashighschoolfootballhistory.com/ courtesy of Texas HS Football Historian, Joe Lee Smith. I did all the classifications and will share in other forums. This is all just in fun, no plans on reporting or covering High School Football, just a passion project this summer. Either way, enjoy, if you are looking to kill some time before the season starts, check out my X profile here, all other classification rankings. can be found here Lastly, have a High School Sports Novel, "Flawless Victories" rolling out in July with free previews starting next week. Appreciate y'all, have a great weekend. ![]() ![](https://x.com/LethalCoach/status/1804205754347348368) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQnTkgmXkAAZ7Qk?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Post by bubbme on Jun 22, 2024 7:12:07 GMT -6
Wow, that's a ton of work! Thanks!
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 26, 2024 6:21:52 GMT -6
Wow, that's a ton of work! Thanks! No doubt about it But I start doubting it when I seep GP ranked above SV on this list. I wonder exactly what the criteria is for the ranking for that to happen? I'm guessing longevity played a big roll in the number (total years and total wins).
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Post by gp37 on Jun 26, 2024 6:57:36 GMT -6
Check how many district titles GP vs SV
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Post by BandidoNB on Jun 26, 2024 7:57:34 GMT -6
Check how many district titles GP vs SV How many do they have? I’m sure it’s a lot. SV is a perennial regional power. But they’ve only been relevant since the mid 1990’s. I remember SV being a struggling program in the early 90’s with no reputation for winning. That’s still 30+ years of success, but over the span of a century I guess that’s only a fraction of the time. The chart does specify over 100 years. Or, at least, the Twitter post that this originated from specifies it.
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Post by FB fan on Jun 26, 2024 14:48:42 GMT -6
"Sherman set the way back machine"
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Post by warcat82 on Jun 26, 2024 15:18:19 GMT -6
Just thought I'd share these rankings for everyone to see. They are based off a formula including Playoff Winning Percentage, District Championships, and State Championships. I originally made them for Texas High School Soccer, but had many coaches inquired using the same math to do it for TXHSFB, so they are. The biggest challenge was schools moving classes over the years, but I did my best. Feel free to debate and discuss, all statistics were used from the very best site out there, www.texashighschoolfootballhistory.com/ courtesy of Texas HS Football Historian, Joe Lee Smith. I did all the classifications and will share in other forums. This is all just in fun, no plans on reporting or covering High School Football, just a passion project this summer. Either way, enjoy, if you are looking to kill some time before the season starts, check out my X profile here, all other classification rankings. can be found here Lastly, have a High School Sports Novel, "Flawless Victories" rolling out in July with free previews starting next week. Appreciate y'all, have a great weekend. ![]() ![](https://x.com/LethalCoach/status/1804205754347348368) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQnTkgmXkAAZ7Qk?format=jpg&name=medium) So all time in history correct? I still debate the fact that SV is above Miller and GP historically. Historically SV has been ranked #1 in the state before, GP possibly has been in the 90s, but I don't think Miller has been ever. Also, New Braunfels has historically been better than where they are places too. They have had some studly teams throughout history. Lastly, Belton has no business on the list if we are talking historical facts. They were not relevant until David Ash, and then fell off again until recently. Seriously, historically 1-9, 0-10 like TM for most of their existance as a school. How did they crack the top 50? I know you did a crap ton of work but just interested with how certain teams even made top 50 and others topped ones that are historically top teams. Granted I know Miller has a title from back in the 50s so that helps them.
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Post by bubbme on Jun 26, 2024 20:22:49 GMT -6
Just thought I'd share these rankings for everyone to see. They are based off a formula including Playoff Winning Percentage, District Championships, and State Championships. I originally made them for Texas High School Soccer, but had many coaches inquired using the same math to do it for TXHSFB, so they are. The biggest challenge was schools moving classes over the years, but I did my best. Feel free to debate and discuss, all statistics were used from the very best site out there, www.texashighschoolfootballhistory.com/ courtesy of Texas HS Football Historian, Joe Lee Smith. I did all the classifications and will share in other forums. This is all just in fun, no plans on reporting or covering High School Football, just a passion project this summer. Either way, enjoy, if you are looking to kill some time before the season starts, check out my X profile here, all other classification rankings. can be found here Lastly, have a High School Sports Novel, "Flawless Victories" rolling out in July with free previews starting next week. Appreciate y'all, have a great weekend. ![]() ![](https://x.com/LethalCoach/status/1804205754347348368) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQnTkgmXkAAZ7Qk?format=jpg&name=medium) So all time in history correct? I still debate the fact that SV is above Miller and GP historically. Historically SV has been ranked #1 in the state before, GP possibly has been in the 90s, but I don't think Miller has been ever. Also, New Braunfels has historically been better than where they are places too. They have had some studly teams throughout history. Lastly, Belton has no business on the list if we are talking historical facts. They were not relevant until David Ash, and then fell off again until recently. Seriously, historically 1-9, 0-10 like TM for most of their existance as a school. How did they crack the top 50? I know you did a crap ton of work but just interested with how certain teams even made top 50 and others topped ones that are historically top teams. Granted I know Miller has a title from back in the 50s so that helps them. I'll wear my SV hat for a minute - they have spent the majority of the last 25 years playing in the highest classification (5A/6A), so in rankings like this it probably counts against them. In contrast to GP, who has been playing for 89 yerars, SV has only had a team for 48 years, so their counting stats will be lower. Despite that, SV has won 17 District championships with GP winning 26. Obviously, the percentages favor the Rangers. SV also has had 28 consecutive years without a losing record. In the playoffs, the Rangers are 55-28 to GP's 59-43-3 playoff record (not sure how you tie a playoff game, but whatever). I would say that SVs record, playing in higher classifications against a much higher level of competition (Judson, Steele, Clemens, NB) would give the nod to the Ranegers over not just GP, but many of the teams ranked above them in terms of legacy. I also know that SV has lost first round matchups against the state champion in their division (LT twice and Westlake twice) four times in the last 15 years (bad draw, but I'm sure they would have gone much deeper if they didn't get the best team in the state in the first or second round! Nothing against GP - they have had a few really good runs in their 89 years playing football, I'm only using them as a comparison - but consistency over the last 30 years there is no doubt that SV probably belongs in the top 20 if not the top 10. I appreciate the work that this effort took and I'm not arguing but am offering some factors that may not have been considered.
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Post by warcat82 on Jun 27, 2024 0:37:48 GMT -6
So all time in history correct? I still debate the fact that SV is above Miller and GP historically. Historically SV has been ranked #1 in the state before, GP possibly has been in the 90s, but I don't think Miller has been ever. Also, New Braunfels has historically been better than where they are places too. They have had some studly teams throughout history. Lastly, Belton has no business on the list if we are talking historical facts. They were not relevant until David Ash, and then fell off again until recently. Seriously, historically 1-9, 0-10 like TM for most of their existance as a school. How did they crack the top 50? I know you did a crap ton of work but just interested with how certain teams even made top 50 and others topped ones that are historically top teams. Granted I know Miller has a title from back in the 50s so that helps them. I'll wear my SV hat for a minute - they have spent the majority of the last 25 years playing in the highest classification (5A/6A), so in rankings like this it probably counts against them. In contrast to GP, who has been playing for 89 yerars, SV has only had a team for 48 years, so their counting stats will be lower. Despite that, SV has won 17 District championships with GP winning 26. Obviously, the percentages favor the Rangers. SV also has had 28 consecutive years without a losing record. In the playoffs, the Rangers are 55-28 to GP's 59-43-3 playoff record (not sure how you tie a playoff game, but whatever). I would say that SVs record, playing in higher classifications against a much higher level of competition (Judson, Steele, Clemens, NB) would give the nod to the Ranegers over not just GP, but many of the teams ranked above them in terms of legacy. I also know that SV has lost first round matchups against the state champion in their division (LT twice and Westlake twice) four times in the last 15 years (bad draw, but I'm sure they would have gone much deeper if they didn't get the best team in the state in the first or second round! Nothing against GP - they have had a few really good runs in their 89 years playing football, I'm only using them as a comparison - but consistency over the last 30 years there is no doubt that SV probably belongs in the top 20 if not the top 10. I appreciate the work that this effort took and I'm not arguing but am offering some factors that may not have been considered. Those are even more factors I wish I had brought up. Thank you! Historically the Rangers are the better team. As for ties in the playoffs, before the overtime rule came to be ties were quite common and games were settled on penetrations. If that was tied it went to first downs. If that was tied it went to 4th down convertions. Even state title games ended in ties back in the olden days before my time. One year your Rangers lost in the 1st round they were #1 in the state, and I was part of the San Marcos Rattlers staff. 2006 and we were severe underdogs but our slot-t offense gave you guys fits and we kicked an improbable field goal to win it as time expired. We went on to lose by 2 to MacArthur in 4 OTs in the Region Finals that year in Texas State Stadium in a crazy game. But back to the original message, you are correct, those stats are superior to many ahead of them I feel like, and it's crazy to think they'd be lower in than rankings like they are. They are worthy of much higher.
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Post by bubbme on Jun 27, 2024 5:30:30 GMT -6
I'll wear my SV hat for a minute - they have spent the majority of the last 25 years playing in the highest classification (5A/6A), so in rankings like this it probably counts against them. In contrast to GP, who has been playing for 89 yerars, SV has only had a team for 48 years, so their counting stats will be lower. Despite that, SV has won 17 District championships with GP winning 26. Obviously, the percentages favor the Rangers. SV also has had 28 consecutive years without a losing record. In the playoffs, the Rangers are 55-28 to GP's 59-43-3 playoff record (not sure how you tie a playoff game, but whatever). I would say that SVs record, playing in higher classifications against a much higher level of competition (Judson, Steele, Clemens, NB) would give the nod to the Ranegers over not just GP, but many of the teams ranked above them in terms of legacy. I also know that SV has lost first round matchups against the state champion in their division (LT twice and Westlake twice) four times in the last 15 years (bad draw, but I'm sure they would have gone much deeper if they didn't get the best team in the state in the first or second round! Nothing against GP - they have had a few really good runs in their 89 years playing football, I'm only using them as a comparison - but consistency over the last 30 years there is no doubt that SV probably belongs in the top 20 if not the top 10. I appreciate the work that this effort took and I'm not arguing but am offering some factors that may not have been considered. Those are even more factors I wish I had brought up. Thank you! Historically the Rangers are the better team. As for ties in the playoffs, before the overtime rule came to be ties were quite common and games were settled on penetrations. If that was tied it went to first downs. If that was tied it went to 4th down convertions. Even state title games ended in ties back in the olden days before my time. One year your Rangers lost in the 1st round they were #1 in the state, and I was part of the San Marcos Rattlers staff. 2006 and we were severe underdogs but our slot-t offense gave you guys fits and we kicked an improbable field goal to win it as time expired. We went on to lose by 2 to MacArthur in 4 OTs in the Region Finals that year in Texas State Stadium in a crazy game. But back to the original message, you are correct, those stats are superior to many ahead of them I feel like, and it's crazy to think they'd be lower in than rankings like they are. They are worthy of much higher. Thanks to the info on ties - I grew up and played in Ohio, we settled things like men (although to think about it penetrations...well... ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) ). I remember the 2006 game, couldn't believe it to this day, but nice run for SM!
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Post by warcat82 on Jun 27, 2024 20:58:57 GMT -6
Those are even more factors I wish I had brought up. Thank you! Historically the Rangers are the better team. As for ties in the playoffs, before the overtime rule came to be ties were quite common and games were settled on penetrations. If that was tied it went to first downs. If that was tied it went to 4th down convertions. Even state title games ended in ties back in the olden days before my time. One year your Rangers lost in the 1st round they were #1 in the state, and I was part of the San Marcos Rattlers staff. 2006 and we were severe underdogs but our slot-t offense gave you guys fits and we kicked an improbable field goal to win it as time expired. We went on to lose by 2 to MacArthur in 4 OTs in the Region Finals that year in Texas State Stadium in a crazy game. But back to the original message, you are correct, those stats are superior to many ahead of them I feel like, and it's crazy to think they'd be lower in than rankings like they are. They are worthy of much higher. Thanks to the info on ties - I grew up and played in Ohio, we settled things like men (although to think about it penetrations...well... ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) ). I remember the 2006 game, couldn't believe it to this day, but nice run for SM! Yeah we made sure our boys took that game especially personal. Not that SV gave us bulletin board material, buy boy oh boy did the media! Even our local paper counted us out.... We had every piece of newspaper clipping possible in the locker room.... and every day they were running and reminded who said what and it sure worked.... Those boys came in pissed off and ready to play...
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Fletcher Duque
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Post by Fletcher Duque on Jul 1, 2024 14:49:46 GMT -6
Great to see the feedback, yeah this is all just in fun. I used a formula comprising of district championships, playoff wins, state championship wins, and to a degree, winning percentage.
Wanted to make sure all regions were represented, as we all know, first or second round opponents in one region can be much, much more difficult depending on where you are at, and when.
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Post by Cochino on Jul 1, 2024 18:40:54 GMT -6
Alice should be on this. They stuck them on the 4A list.
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Post by warcat82 on Jul 2, 2024 1:01:16 GMT -6
Alice should be on this. They stuck them on the 4A list. This is very true... they are way more of a top 50 than Belton. They have a deep history and way more history of success.
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Post by Cochino on Jul 2, 2024 6:42:10 GMT -6
Alice should be on this. They stuck them on the 4A list. This is very true... they are way more of a top 50 than Belton. They have a deep history and way more history of success. Alice is on the list. I'm saying they stuck them on the 4A version of this list.
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