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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 2, 2024 6:52:11 GMT -6
Check how many district titles GP vs SV Gregory Portland - 588-347-27 All Time for a 62.9% winning percentage (90+/- years) Smithson Valley - 344-210-6 All time for a 62.1% winning percentage (47 years) Gregory Portland - 59-43-3 in playoffs for 57.8% winning percentage Smithson Valley - 55-28 in playoffs for a 66.3% winning percentage Gregory Portland - 1 State Finals Appearance (1971) & 5 Semi-Finals appearances for a total of 6 regional championships Smithson Valley - 4 State Finals Appearances (01, 02, 04, 23) & 3 Semi-Finals appearances for a total of 7 regional championships. 3 of GP's regional titles took only 3 playoff wins to get whereas all of SV's took 4 wins to get and one of them was in R3 (last year) which is a much tougher region to get it done in. In closing, who really cares about how many district titles each has and I'm not about to do the research to find out because it is all about competition and you cannot compare some district titles to others simply because of that.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 2, 2024 7:05:36 GMT -6
I'll wear my SV hat for a minute - they have spent the majority of the last 25 years playing in the highest classification (5A/6A), so in rankings like this it probably counts against them. In contrast to GP, who has been playing for 89 yerars, SV has only had a team for 48 years, so their counting stats will be lower. Despite that, SV has won 17 District championships with GP winning 26. Obviously, the percentages favor the Rangers. SV also has had 28 consecutive years without a losing record. In the playoffs, the Rangers are 55-28 to GP's 59-43-3 playoff record (not sure how you tie a playoff game, but whatever). I would say that SVs record, playing in higher classifications against a much higher level of competition (Judson, Steele, Clemens, NB) would give the nod to the Ranegers over not just GP, but many of the teams ranked above them in terms of legacy. I also know that SV has lost first round matchups against the state champion in their division (LT twice and Westlake twice) four times in the last 15 years (bad draw, but I'm sure they would have gone much deeper if they didn't get the best team in the state in the first or second round! Nothing against GP - they have had a few really good runs in their 89 years playing football, I'm only using them as a comparison - but consistency over the last 30 years there is no doubt that SV probably belongs in the top 20 if not the top 10. I appreciate the work that this effort took and I'm not arguing but am offering some factors that may not have been considered. Exactly! SV has been a power since the mid 90s and done it against far superior competition. SV wasn't playing 5a/6a patsies either as they were in the toughest district in R4 for many years back when Madison was very good and usually Judson was in that same district most years. Then they played a bunch of years in with Steele, Clemens, NB, etc and were still very successful! GP has been a good program for a long time but SV has been way better the last 30 years. GP's last regional title was 22 years ago
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 2, 2024 7:10:11 GMT -6
Those are even more factors I wish I had brought up. Thank you! Historically the Rangers are the better team. As for ties in the playoffs, before the overtime rule came to be ties were quite common and games were settled on penetrations. If that was tied it went to first downs. If that was tied it went to 4th down convertions. Even state title games ended in ties back in the olden days before my time. One year your Rangers lost in the 1st round they were #1 in the state, and I was part of the San Marcos Rattlers staff. 2006 and we were severe underdogs but our slot-t offense gave you guys fits and we kicked an improbable field goal to win it as time expired. We went on to lose by 2 to MacArthur in 4 OTs in the Region Finals that year in Texas State Stadium in a crazy game. But back to the original message, you are correct, those stats are superior to many ahead of them I feel like, and it's crazy to think they'd be lower in than rankings like they are. They are worthy of much higher. Thanks to the info on ties - I grew up and played in Ohio, we settled things like men (although to think about it penetrations...well... ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) ). I remember the 2006 game, couldn't believe it to this day, but nice run for SM! I've seen a couple games back in the day before OT where both teams were tied in penetrations and it went to 1st downs I believe. And that 2006 SM team was a very good one. If I remember right they beat Marshall the next week by 1 point like they did SV and lost to a very good MacArthur team in the regional finals 50-43 in a shootout.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 2, 2024 7:12:14 GMT -6
Alice should be on this. They stuck them on the 4A list. I completely agree. Alice has spent a lot of time over their years at either the highest classification or 2nd highest and they were always one of the best in all of S TX and R4 many years.
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Post by warcat82 on Jul 2, 2024 18:54:05 GMT -6
Thanks to the info on ties - I grew up and played in Ohio, we settled things like men (although to think about it penetrations...well...ย ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) ).ย ย I remember the 2006 game, couldn't believe it to this day, but nice run for SM! I've seen a couple games back in the day before OT where both teams were tied in penetrations and it went to 1st downs I believe. And that 2006 SM team was a very good one.ย If I remember right they beat Marshall the next week by 1 point like they did SV and lost to a very good MacArthur team in the regional finals 50-43 in a shootout. It was 50-48 because Kilby ran our slot t dive that they had been stopping all night for our 2 point conversion play instead of out 8 hole reverse, toss sweep, bucksweep, tight end dump, or waggle pass to the flat that they never stopped all night... the one time I ever questioned his play calling.... I begged them to call a time out and reconsider...
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Post by otter on Jul 15, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -6
This is very true... they are way more of a top 50 than Belton. They have a deep history and way more history of success. Alice is on the list. I'm saying they stuck them on the 4A version of this list. Minimum 10 schools on this list doesn't have the history Alice has.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 15, 2024 12:31:30 GMT -6
Alice is on the list. I'm saying they stuck them on the 4A version of this list. Minimum 10 schools on this list doesn't have the history Alice has. Yup Agreed But these kinds of list are all depending on the criteria the creator selects. Edit: My bet is on this one the number of deep playoff runs probably played a significant roll. If I looked at the playoff history of Alice correctly the Coyotes have only been as far as the 4th round and done it just 4 times in their history.
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Post by otter on Jul 18, 2024 10:14:49 GMT -6
Minimum 10 schools on this list doesn't have the history Alice has. Yup Agreed But these kinds of list are all depending on the criteria the creator selects. Edit: My bet is on this one the number of deep playoff runs probably played a significant roll. If I looked at the playoff history of Alice correctly the Coyotes have only been as far as the 4th round and done it just 4 times in their history. See your point, but one must remember there was a time when 4th round was State Championship.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 18, 2024 15:01:28 GMT -6
Yup Agreed But these kinds of list are all depending on the criteria the creator selects. Edit: My bet is on this one the number of deep playoff runs probably played a significant roll. If I looked at the playoff history of Alice correctly the Coyotes have only been as far as the 4th round and done it just 4 times in their history. See your point, but one must remember there was a time when 4th round was State Championship. I completely understand that is so but it could also Alice has never played for the title before even way back when it took only 2 or 3 wins to get to that game. Alice is without a doubt a storied program especially in R4 and in S Texas but they just haven't had a lot of success outside of the region/area in the playoffs and I'm betting the formulas used to put this one together takes that in to account and is why the Coyotes were not on the list.
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