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Post by oldtarponman on Nov 27, 2023 18:21:55 GMT -6
Surprised no one has started this thread yet.
Since I grew up close to Brownsville....guess I'll do it!
Obviously, since I'm an RGV homer, I'm pulling for the Chargers in this one.
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Post by AledoAlumni on Nov 27, 2023 19:46:43 GMT -6
I watched both R4 games last Friday and BVM was the most impressive team out of the four. Watching them beat PSJA North was no fluke. They looked the part and dominated. I know CC Miller is going to try and outrun them making big plays but they better be careful. BVM is going to be ready for the task. My only concern, is the moment too big for the RGV. Playing in front of your city adds a lot of pressure. Cheering for the Valley.
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Post by gpballer4life on Nov 27, 2023 19:49:26 GMT -6
Give me Miller by 2 TD’s or more. I have a friend who was on this staff up until this year and he told some of us 2 years ago this group was special. They have a track team at all the skill positions it’s going to be hard to stop them.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 27, 2023 20:10:16 GMT -6
I watched both R4 games last Friday and BVM was the most impressive team out of the four. Watching them beat PSJA North was no fluke. They looked the part and dominated. I know CC Miller is going to try and outrun them making big plays but they better be careful. BVM is going to be ready for the task. My only concern, is the moment too big for the RGV. Playing in front of your city adds a lot of pressure. Cheering for the Valley. I think certain things were fluky. I saw the first half and the first 2 TD passes and another big pass play were all barely catches where the DB was right on the player and just unable to make a play on the ball. I understand that's part of the game but my point is those plays were an inch away from being incomplete. When I see stuff like that I have to question if it's sustainable. I honestly don't think the better team won it's just that BVM was the better team that night. Having said all that I do think BVM was way better this season than anyone realized. They returned 7/7 starters from a 10-3 3rd round team last season.
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Post by ccwarcat on Nov 27, 2023 20:11:07 GMT -6
Miller by 21+.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 27, 2023 20:20:44 GMT -6
Give me Miller by 2 TD’s or more. I have a friend who was on this staff up until this year and he told some of us 2 years ago this group was special. They have a track team at all the skill positions it’s going to be hard to stop them. They almost lost to West in the first game then the fans came on my page and claimed it was because they had backups in already in the 3rd quarter. That's bull but still what they claimed and said and how the rematch would prove it when they win by 40 this time. The rematch ended up being an even closer game. West got blown out so many times this season. 5 of the 7 losses were blowouts and the 2 that weren't were the 2 Miller games. I understand some teams can improve greatly over a season but after losing to Miller the first time West followed it up by being blown out by East just a few weeks ago so I question how much of this is West improving or Miller not being what everyone is making them out to be. All that "track team" talent doesn't help you tackle on defense. Teams that play no defense (miller) and teams that run that triple option (brownsville) are hard to predict scores for. I could see Miller winning big but I could also see Brownsville winning big.
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Post by oldtarponman on Nov 27, 2023 20:34:35 GMT -6
After what happened to PSJA North, I now know not to take your predictions seriously. Now on a more serious note... BVM's 2 losses are to 6A San Benito in Week 1, and 6A PSJA High in Week 5. The rest of their non-district schedule would be considered "weak" by most standards. TAPPS 5A Brownsville St. Joseph and 4A-D2 Port Isabel. BVM only won 21-7 over St. Joe, but I didn't get to see that game on film so IDK how things went in that game. I did, however, watch the entirety of their matchup with Port Isabel. And to be blunt, it was pretty even. Midway through the 4th Qtr, BVM scored to make it 20-13 BVM. On the ensuing kickoff, PI nearly ties it on the KO return, but then the Tarpons got stuffed by BVM on a goal line stand to keep it 20-13 BVM. Then on the next possession, BVM breaks a 97 yarder to make the final 27-13. BVM beat Donna High easily the following week, but then had a scare vs. Weslaco East 25-20. It was after the Weslaco East game that BVM seemed to "get it" and suddenly became the force they are now with blowout wins over the remainder of their district schedule, including a total shutout of playoff team Harlingen South 42-0. From what I was told from a BVM fan, when their previous coach Kelley Lee departed and the DC was promoted to HFC, their offense for the most part remained the same. Their terminologies, however, were different, hence the losses to bigger schools and closer than expected games against lesser competition early in the season. But now, BVM are firing on all cylinders. And despite their lack of size on the OL (most of PI's OL were bigger than some of BVM's OL) they're getting the job done and the sky is the limit. I honestly feel BVM has a legitimate shot at beating Miller. Miller's defense has been very suspect against tougher competition the whole season. Last season, they got run over by a ground & pound team in Round 2. This season, they very well may get run over by another ground & pound team in Round 4. I, personally, would love to see it happen. Because I am of the belief that records are made to be tied/broken. If BVM wins, they would tie an RGV record that is currently held by only 1 team in the entire RGV region.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 27, 2023 20:43:22 GMT -6
After what happened to PSJA North, I now know not to take your predictions seriously. Now on a more serious note... BVM's 2 losses are to 6A San Benito in Week 1, and 6A PSJA High in Week 5. The rest of their non-district schedule would be considered "weak" by most standards. TAPPS 5A Brownsville St. Joseph and 4A-D2 Port Isabel. BVM only won 21-7 over St. Joe, but I didn't get to see that game on film so IDK how things went in that game. I did, however, watch the entirety of their matchup with Port Isabel. And to be blunt, it was pretty even. Midway through the 4th Qtr, BVM scored to make it 20-13 BVM. On the ensuing kickoff, PI nearly ties it on the KO return, but then the Tarpons got stuffed by BVM on a goal line stand to keep it 20-13 BVM. Then on the next possession, BVM breaks a 97 yarder to make the final 27-13. BVM beat Donna High easily the following week, but then had a scare vs. Weslaco East 25-20. It was after the Weslaco East game that BVM seemed to "get it" and suddenly became the force they are now with blowout wins over the remainder of their district schedule, including a total shutout of playoff team Harlingen South 42-0. From what I was told from a BVM fan, when their previous coach Kelley Lee departed and the DC was promoted to HFC, their offense for the most part remained the same. Their terminologies, however, were different, hence the losses to bigger schools and closer than expected games against lesser competition early in the season. But now, BVM are firing on all cylinders. And despite their lack of size on the OL (most of PI's OL were bigger than some of BVM's OL) they're getting the job done and the sky is the limit. I honestly feel BVM has a legitimate shot at beating Miller. Miller's defense has been very suspect against tougher competition the whole season. Last season, they got run over by a ground & pound team in Round 2. This season, they very well may get run over by another ground & pound team in Round 4. I, personally, would love to see it happen. Because I am of the belief that records are made to be tied/broken. If BVM wins, they would tie an RGV record that is currently held by only 1 team in the entire RGV region. What record?
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Post by oldtarponman on Nov 27, 2023 20:48:10 GMT -6
After what happened to PSJA North, I now know not to take your predictions seriously. Now on a more serious note... BVM's 2 losses are to 6A San Benito in Week 1, and 6A PSJA High in Week 5. The rest of their non-district schedule would be considered "weak" by most standards. TAPPS 5A Brownsville St. Joseph and 4A-D2 Port Isabel. BVM only won 21-7 over St. Joe, but I didn't get to see that game on film so IDK how things went in that game. I did, however, watch the entirety of their matchup with Port Isabel. And to be blunt, it was pretty even. Midway through the 4th Qtr, BVM scored to make it 20-13 BVM. On the ensuing kickoff, PI nearly ties it on the KO return, but then the Tarpons got stuffed by BVM on a goal line stand to keep it 20-13 BVM. Then on the next possession, BVM breaks a 97 yarder to make the final 27-13. BVM beat Donna High easily the following week, but then had a scare vs. Weslaco East 25-20. It was after the Weslaco East game that BVM seemed to "get it" and suddenly became the force they are now with blowout wins over the remainder of their district schedule, including a total shutout of playoff team Harlingen South 42-0. From what I was told from a BVM fan, when their previous coach Kelley Lee departed and the DC was promoted to HFC, their offense for the most part remained the same. Their terminologies, however, were different, hence the losses to bigger schools and closer than expected games against lesser competition early in the season. But now, BVM are firing on all cylinders. And despite their lack of size on the OL (most of PI's OL were bigger than some of BVM's OL) they're getting the job done and the sky is the limit. I honestly feel BVM has a legitimate shot at beating Miller. Miller's defense has been very suspect against tougher competition the whole season. Last season, they got run over by a ground & pound team in Round 2. This season, they very well may get run over by another ground & pound team in Round 4. I, personally, would love to see it happen. Because I am of the belief that records are made to be tied/broken. If BVM wins, they would tie an RGV record that is currently held by only 1 team in the entire RGV region. What record? Nope! Keeping it a secret. Don't want to jinx.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 27, 2023 20:52:02 GMT -6
Congratulations to Brownsville Vets for winning the Region.
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Post by chiller15 on Nov 27, 2023 21:02:56 GMT -6
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Post by ccwarcat on Nov 27, 2023 22:31:05 GMT -6
Miller is this year’s CC Vets. It’s a Corpus Christi thing. Corpus has ruled R4 since 2020. This week we’ll make it 4 in a row.
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Post by powerfootball on Nov 27, 2023 22:43:50 GMT -6
Interesting note: B Vets- 513 points (39.4 average per game) Giving up 14.3 points a game
Miller- 792 points (59.9 points per game) Giving up 22 points per game
My take. Miller has scored at will on everyone they’ve played and have the #1 scoring offense in the state. As much as they are ridiculed for no defense, seems like everyone they’ve played should have the same ridicule. Of note, Miller has put the most points allowed on each of their opponents for the season. No one has stopped them. Vela gave up 50 points to Miller at home. Even trying the method of slowing the game down, and still lost by 21. This is a different Miller team. Points given up differential between the two teams is 8 points. Points scored differential is 20. Difference of 16 points. Miller wins by two TD’s. Just my take.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 27, 2023 23:05:21 GMT -6
Interesting note: B Vets- 513 points (39.4 average per game) Giving up 14.3 points a game Miller- 792 points (59.9 points per game) Giving up 22 points per game My take. Miller has scored at will on everyone they’ve played and have the #1 scoring offense in the state. As much as they are ridiculed for no defense, seems like everyone they’ve played should have the same ridicule. Of note, Miller has put the most points allowed on each of their opponents for the season. No one has stopped them. Vela gave up 50 points to Miller at home. Even trying the method of slowing the game down, and still lost by 21. This is a different Miller team. Points given up differential between the two teams is 8 points. Points scored differential is 20. Difference of 16 points. Miller wins by two TD’s. Just my take. I don't think anyone is trying to single out Miller as playing no defense but that is the criticism of them during this current era and they are the subject here in this thread so it's gonna be pointed out when critiquing the two teams. This is where I'll give defense credit over offense as far as which is more important... you can get by on offense by just being athletic or fast but on defense that's not enough. On defense you have to have a certain toughness culture. Miller doesn't have that on defense. That Miller D-coordinator gets a lot of chit from clueless fans and I feel bad for him because he's not the problem. The type of athlete Miller has works great on offense but isn't built for being a dog on the defensive side of the ball. Just my opinion.
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Post by powerfootball on Nov 27, 2023 23:40:09 GMT -6
Interesting note: B Vets- 513 points (39.4 average per game) Giving up 14.3 points a game Miller- 792 points (59.9 points per game) Giving up 22 points per game My take. Miller has scored at will on everyone they’ve played and have the #1 scoring offense in the state. As much as they are ridiculed for no defense, seems like everyone they’ve played should have the same ridicule. Of note, Miller has put the most points allowed on each of their opponents for the season. No one has stopped them. Vela gave up 50 points to Miller at home. Even trying the method of slowing the game down, and still lost by 21. This is a different Miller team. Points given up differential between the two teams is 8 points. Points scored differential is 20. Difference of 16 points. Miller wins by two TD’s. Just my take. I don't think anyone is trying to single out Miller as playing no defense but that is the criticism of them during this current era and they are the subject here in this thread so it's gonna be pointed out when critiquing the two teams. This is where I'll give defense credit over offense as far as which is more important... you can get by on offense by just being athletic or fast but on defense that's not enough. On defense you have to have a certain toughness culture. Miller doesn't have that on defense. That Miller D-coordinator gets a lot of chit from clueless fans and I feel bad for him because he's not the problem. The type of athlete Miller has works great on offense but isn't built for being a dog on the defensive side of the ball. Just my opinion. I’m just pointing out that the narrative is that Miller doesn’t play defense, but let’s be Real. Vela plays Defense, but gave up 49. CC Vets plays defense but gave up 59. I’m just saying that some always says Miller doesn’t play defense, yet Miller’s only game where they didn’t score at least 50 points was El Campo and won that one by 28 and only gave up 7 to El Campo. Point is, that no defense can be stated about every team that Miller plays. Because obviously none of them, including Edinburg Vela play defense either. It’s should be noted, a lot of the points that the defense at Miller gives up isn’t all their fault. They are also on the field more frequently due to how fast the offense can score. It’s the same result. An offense that scores 60 points, and gives up 22 points is a difference of 38 points. I’m sure a coach would take a 38-0 win every day. I get what you’re saying, but to say Miller gives up 22, and Vela have up 20 points a game, is only a difference of 2 points. Miller’s defense has been inconsistent at times, but they have made a lot of defenses look really bad, including Vets defense who gave up dang near 60 points.
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