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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 27, 2023 23:58:15 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is trying to single out Miller as playing no defense but that is the criticism of them during this current era and they are the subject here in this thread so it's gonna be pointed out when critiquing the two teams. This is where I'll give defense credit over offense as far as which is more important... you can get by on offense by just being athletic or fast but on defense that's not enough. On defense you have to have a certain toughness culture. Miller doesn't have that on defense. That Miller D-coordinator gets a lot of chit from clueless fans and I feel bad for him because he's not the problem. The type of athlete Miller has works great on offense but isn't built for being a dog on the defensive side of the ball. Just my opinion. I’m just pointing out that the narrative is that Miller doesn’t play defense, but let’s be Real. Vela plays Defense, but gave up 49. CC Vets plays defense but gave up 59. I’m just saying that some always says Miller doesn’t play defense, yet Miller’s only game where they didn’t score at least 50 points was El Campo and won that one by 28 and only gave up 7 to El Campo. Point is, that no defense can be stated about every team that Miller plays. Because obviously none of them, including Edinburg Vela play defense either. It’s should be noted, a lot of the points that the defense at Miller gives up isn’t all their fault. They are also on the field more frequently due to how fast the offense can score. It’s the same result. An offense that scores 60 points, and gives up 22 points is a difference of 38 points. I’m sure a coach would take a 38-0 win every day. I get what you’re saying, but to say Miller gives up 22, and Vela have up 20 points a game, is only a difference of 2 points. Miller’s defense has been inconsistent at times, but they have made a lot of defenses look really bad, including Vets defense who gave up dang near 60 points. It doesn't even matter because both teams will come out winners after this game. The winner wins and the loser avoids the 63-7'ish loss they're gonna take in round 5. Neither team is anywhere near the level of Smithson Valley or A&M Consolidated.
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Post by oldtarponman on Nov 28, 2023 2:53:03 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is trying to single out Miller as playing no defense but that is the criticism of them during this current era and they are the subject here in this thread so it's gonna be pointed out when critiquing the two teams. This is where I'll give defense credit over offense as far as which is more important... you can get by on offense by just being athletic or fast but on defense that's not enough. On defense you have to have a certain toughness culture. Miller doesn't have that on defense. That Miller D-coordinator gets a lot of chit from clueless fans and I feel bad for him because he's not the problem. The type of athlete Miller has works great on offense but isn't built for being a dog on the defensive side of the ball. Just my opinion. I’m just pointing out that the narrative is that Miller doesn’t play defense, but let’s be Real. Vela plays Defense, but gave up 49. CC Vets plays defense but gave up 59. I’m just saying that some always says Miller doesn’t play defense, yet Miller’s only game where they didn’t score at least 50 points was El Campo and won that one by 28 and only gave up 7 to El Campo. Point is, that no defense can be stated about every team that Miller plays. Because obviously none of them, including Edinburg Vela play defense either. It’s should be noted, a lot of the points that the defense at Miller gives up isn’t all their fault. They are also on the field more frequently due to how fast the offense can score. It’s the same result. An offense that scores 60 points, and gives up 22 points is a difference of 38 points. I’m sure a coach would take a 38-0 win every day. I get what you’re saying, but to say Miller gives up 22, and Vela have up 20 points a game, is only a difference of 2 points. Miller’s defense has been inconsistent at times, but they have made a lot of defenses look really bad, including Vets defense who gave up dang near 60 points. Let me shut your narrative about Miller down real quick. At some point, Miller is going to lose a track meet. If it isn't BVM this week, it'll be SV or A&MC next week. I will say, though, BVM runs the style of offense that will keep Miller's offense off the field, and tire out Miller's defense. And BVM runs it well. Is it perfect? No. But if BVM is on point, I honestly don't see Miller stopping BVM's triple option.
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Post by powerfootball on Nov 28, 2023 6:40:26 GMT -6
I’m just pointing out that the narrative is that Miller doesn’t play defense, but let’s be Real. Vela plays Defense, but gave up 49. CC Vets plays defense but gave up 59. I’m just saying that some always says Miller doesn’t play defense, yet Miller’s only game where they didn’t score at least 50 points was El Campo and won that one by 28 and only gave up 7 to El Campo. Point is, that no defense can be stated about every team that Miller plays. Because obviously none of them, including Edinburg Vela play defense either. It’s should be noted, a lot of the points that the defense at Miller gives up isn’t all their fault. They are also on the field more frequently due to how fast the offense can score. It’s the same result. An offense that scores 60 points, and gives up 22 points is a difference of 38 points. I’m sure a coach would take a 38-0 win every day. I get what you’re saying, but to say Miller gives up 22, and Vela have up 20 points a game, is only a difference of 2 points. Miller’s defense has been inconsistent at times, but they have made a lot of defenses look really bad, including Vets defense who gave up dang near 60 points. Let me shut your narrative about Miller down real quick. At some point, Miller is going to lose a track meet. If it isn't BVM this week, it'll be SV or A&MC next week. I will say, though, BVM runs the style of offense that will keep Miller's offense off the field, and tire out Miller's defense. And BVM runs it well. Is it perfect? No. But if BVM is on point, I honestly don't see Miller stopping BVM's triple option. That’s what Vela tried and it didn’t work. It’s hard to go on a long drive, then give up a quick score. Your offense is back on the field. Who knows? Maybe you are right, but everyone has tried that method against Miller and it hasn’t worked. You still have to stop Miller’s offense when they are on the field, and nobody has figured that out yet. B Vets doesn’t have the horses to run with Miller. They will need a lot of things to go their way. B Vets was the recipient of North turning the ball over a ton. You can’t depend on every team to do that. If it’s a clean game, Miller wins. If it’s not clean, then it’s a toss up.
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Post by wfcoyote on Nov 28, 2023 6:45:21 GMT -6
One of the benefits that a team with speed has is if you make a mistake, you can recover.
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Post by AledoAlumni on Nov 28, 2023 7:23:11 GMT -6
Interesting note: B Vets- 513 points (39.4 average per game) Giving up 14.3 points a game Miller- 792 points (59.9 points per game) Giving up 22 points per game My take. Miller has scored at will on everyone they’ve played and have the #1 scoring offense in the state. As much as they are ridiculed for no defense, seems like everyone they’ve played should have the same ridicule. Of note, Miller has put the most points allowed on each of their opponents for the season. No one has stopped them. Vela gave up 50 points to Miller at home. Even trying the method of slowing the game down, and still lost by 21. This is a different Miller team. Points given up differential between the two teams is 8 points. Points scored differential is 20. Difference of 16 points. Miller wins by two TD’s. Just my take. I dont think Millers sytle of football is going to benefit them in December. I can see them winning against BVM but against R3 and then the R1/R2 winner, going to be extremely tough. I actually think BVM has a better shot at state than Miller.
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Post by powerfootball on Nov 28, 2023 9:10:46 GMT -6
Interesting note: B Vets- 513 points (39.4 average per game) Giving up 14.3 points a game Miller- 792 points (59.9 points per game) Giving up 22 points per game My take. Miller has scored at will on everyone they’ve played and have the #1 scoring offense in the state. As much as they are ridiculed for no defense, seems like everyone they’ve played should have the same ridicule. Of note, Miller has put the most points allowed on each of their opponents for the season. No one has stopped them. Vela gave up 50 points to Miller at home. Even trying the method of slowing the game down, and still lost by 21. This is a different Miller team. Points given up differential between the two teams is 8 points. Points scored differential is 20. Difference of 16 points. Miller wins by two TD’s. Just my take. I dont think Millers sytle of football is going to benefit them in December. I can see them winning against BVM but against R3 and then the R1/R2 winner, going to be extremely tough. I actually think BVM has a better shot at state than Miller. I’m sure you would rather see B Vets than Miller. Not saying either can play with Aledo, but you’re not fooling anyone. I’m sure Aledo would rather see B Vets than Miller too. Let’s not act like the teams up north are just heads and takes faster than Miller. Miller heard the same thing in 2020 in the regional finals vs. Austin LBJ. Everyone swore that Miller was going to get tan off the field. That LBJ had a Clemson, Oklahoma and Vanderbilt commits, along with tons of talent and speed. Miller lost that game 59-54 and that’s after four turnovers. That was the worst defense Miller has had statistically in the past seven years. Miller can run with region 3. Region 2 is a different monster though.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 28, 2023 10:05:45 GMT -6
I dont think Millers sytle of football is going to benefit them in December. I can see them winning against BVM but against R3 and then the R1/R2 winner, going to be extremely tough. I actually think BVM has a better shot at state than Miller. I’m sure you would rather see B Vets than Miller. Not saying either can play with Aledo, but you’re not fooling anyone. I’m sure Aledo would rather see B Vets than Miller too. Let’s not act like the teams up north are just heads and takes faster than Miller. Miller heard the same thing in 2020 in the regional finals vs. Austin LBJ. Everyone swore that Miller was going to get tan off the field. That LBJ had a Clemson, Oklahoma and Vanderbilt commits, along with tons of talent and speed. Miller lost that game 59-54 and that’s after four turnovers. That was the worst defense Miller has had statistically in the past seven years. Miller can run with region 3. Region 2 is a different monster though. Agreed that 2020 Miller played a great regional finals game against LBJ. That LBJ team lost the next week to Lindale and then Argyle whooped Lindale in the 4a state title game. This is NOT 4a and not even 5a D2, it is 5a D1 and if you think R3's 2 teams left cannot do something about slowing down the Miller offense, you are mistaken badly. Further more, those two teams will light up Miller's defense BADLY. I'm not trying to crap on Miller in any way. They are a very solid team with a great offense! I'm pointing out the fact that they are a very, very small 5a D2 team playing in 5a D1 and though it doesn't make much difference here in R4, it damn sure does in the other 3 regions! Hell, in R4 5a D2 is better overall than 5a D1. As far as this game goes, I have no clue who is going to win it. I had North winning the region. I picked Miller in this poll and truly don't know. Both are good football teams and both belong in this game. I hope the best team wins and goes into the semi-final game next week and proves me wrong big time but I just don't see a competitive game there.
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Post by SouthTexasBloodsport on Nov 28, 2023 10:35:39 GMT -6
Looking fast playing vs 5'6" South Texas DBs is one thing but looking fast vs Smithson Valley or A&M Consolidated is a completely different animal. We think our 4.5 guys are fast and then we see a 4.5 guy from up North and somehow even though 4.5 is 4.5 it's not.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 28, 2023 10:48:03 GMT -6
Looking fast playing vs 5'6" South Texas DBs is one thing but looking fast vs Smithson Valley or A&M Consolidated is a completely different animal. We think our 4.5 guys are fast and then we see a 4.5 guy from up North and somehow even though 4.5 is 4.5 it's not. Not too mention they look 20 or more pounds heavier and still move as fast.
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Post by ccwarcat on Nov 28, 2023 10:53:31 GMT -6
I hope Miller and Smithson Valley win this week. I think Miller runs away from that SV offense and make it to the title game.
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Post by AledoAlumni on Nov 28, 2023 11:20:24 GMT -6
I dont think Millers sytle of football is going to benefit them in December. I can see them winning against BVM but against R3 and then the R1/R2 winner, going to be extremely tough. I actually think BVM has a better shot at state than Miller. I’m sure you would rather see B Vets than Miller. Not saying either can play with Aledo, but you’re not fooling anyone. I’m sure Aledo would rather see B Vets than Miller too. Let’s not act like the teams up north are just heads and takes faster than Miller. Miller heard the same thing in 2020 in the regional finals vs. Austin LBJ. Everyone swore that Miller was going to get tan off the field. That LBJ had a Clemson, Oklahoma and Vanderbilt commits, along with tons of talent and speed. Miller lost that game 59-54 and that’s after four turnovers. That was the worst defense Miller has had statistically in the past seven years. Miller can run with region 3. Region 2 is a different monster though. What do you mean I am not fooling anyone? And from a stylistic standpoint I'd rather play Miller than Vets. We match up better with them. But I am on BVM bandwagon and think they could make some headlines this week.
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Post by gpballer4life on Nov 28, 2023 11:32:02 GMT -6
I hope Miller and Smithson Valley win this week. I think Miller runs away from that SV offense and make it to the title game. I hope that is the case but would be a tough challenge. Making it to the final 4 is an honor no matter what. Region 1,2, and 3 normally out match the coastal bend so stating they wouldn’t beat those teams isn’t a shock.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 28, 2023 11:46:50 GMT -6
I hope Miller and Smithson Valley win this week. I think Miller runs away from that SV offense and make it to the title game. SV will be the most physical team that Miller has played in several years.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 28, 2023 12:06:30 GMT -6
I hope Miller and Smithson Valley win this week. I think Miller runs away from that SV offense and make it to the title game. Indeed And the only team in the state beating North is Aledo. Who said that not once, but MANY times here this year? You are completely in the dark if you actually believe Miller would run away from SV. And what does Miller runs away from that SV offense even mean? Makes no sense to me at all. So Miller's defense is going to run away from SV's offense? Now that is a hell of a good game plan.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 28, 2023 12:09:22 GMT -6
I hope Miller and Smithson Valley win this week. I think Miller runs away from that SV offense and make it to the title game. SV will be the most physical team that Miller has played in several years. lmao If SV gets past a really good A&M Consolidated team this week and Miller wins, I can promise you SV will be the most physical team Miller has seen since way before Evans got to Miller! They will be technically sound at every position and be put in the right position by that staff to slow that Miller offense down plenty enough to outscore them!
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