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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 29, 2023 11:24:28 GMT -6
I've got a scenario for y'all and would like your opinions. I'm considering making a change in R4 on the new mock. Vets is currently headed to the RGV, with Laredo going to SA. I could flip this to give the CC schools a slight break on travel each week, with the exception of EP Winn. UIL did send Alice and Calallen to Winn back in 2016, which I believe resulted in the appeal that led to the 11-team district. D30: CC Vets Eagle Pass Winn Flour Bluff Northside Jay Southside Southwest & Southwest Legacy D31: Laredo ISD (Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon) La Joya ISD (Juarez-Lincoln, Palmview) McAllen ISD (McAllen, Memorial, Rowe) Rio Grande City D32: Brownsville Rivera Donna & Donna North Edinburg Vela Harlingen South Mission PSJA ISD (Memorial, North) Welaco East Nevermind. From Flour Bluff to the RGV, the average 1-way mileage is 153 and average travel time is 151.8 minutes. FB to SA has an average mileage of 171.6 and travel time of 159.6 minutes. I’m sure the travel time from Laredo to the RGV is more than to SA, so the point is moot. It was just an idea. Flour Bluff HS to downtown SA is only 156 miles and 138 minutes???
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 29, 2023 12:43:42 GMT -6
Nevermind. From Flour Bluff to the RGV, the average 1-way mileage is 153 and average travel time is 151.8 minutes. FB to SA has an average mileage of 171.6 and travel time of 159.6 minutes. I’m sure the travel time from Laredo to the RGV is more than to SA, so the point is moot. It was just an idea. Flour Bluff HS to downtown SA is only 156 miles and 138 minutes??? EP Winn was figured in.
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Post by FB fan on Nov 29, 2023 16:10:40 GMT -6
Looking at the (mock but likely) district alignments for Flour Bluff and Coastal Bend. They look completely unexciting and frankly sad. Weak competition and no help for playoffs preparation. It would be much better competition wise to make a 10 team Coastal Bend district and school population be damned. Of the 10 teams 6 would be competitive. FB, CCVM, Alice, GP, Miller and Calallen. 4 would be less competitive Carroll, Ray, Moody and King but not as less competitive I would argue than Laredo or RGV proposed district teams.
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Post by picodegallo on Nov 29, 2023 20:45:02 GMT -6
Looking at the (mock but likely) district alignments for Flour Bluff and Coastal Bend. They look completely unexciting and frankly sad. Weak competition and no help for playoffs preparation. It would be much better competition wise to make a 10 team Coastal Bend district and school population be damned. Of the 10 teams 6 would be competitive. FB, CCVM, Alice, GP, Miller and Calallen. 4 would be less competitive Carroll, Ray, Moody and King but not as less competitive I would argue than Laredo or RGV proposed district teams. After seeing the two mocks, I wish we could opt up. Plus if you all have an eight or nine team district, that’s going to limit our chances to get all three preferred non district opponents in FB, Alice and GP on the schedule.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 30, 2023 0:20:36 GMT -6
Check @texas_HS_Sports Twitter after 5am.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 6:33:10 GMT -6
Looking at the (mock but likely) district alignments for Flour Bluff and Coastal Bend. They look completely unexciting and frankly sad. Weak competition and no help for playoffs preparation. It would be much better competition wise to make a 10 team Coastal Bend district and school population be damned. Of the 10 teams 6 would be competitive. FB, CCVM, Alice, GP, Miller and Calallen. 4 would be less competitive Carroll, Ray, Moody and King but not as less competitive I would argue than Laredo or RGV proposed district teams. Well, maybe there is still some hope that FB gets in a district with SV, Wagner, NB, BC, etc instead. It is the UIL after all and nothing is out of the question.
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Post by arges on Nov 30, 2023 9:10:07 GMT -6
Looking at the (mock but likely) district alignments for Flour Bluff and Coastal Bend. They look completely unexciting and frankly sad. Weak competition and no help for playoffs preparation. It would be much better competition wise to make a 10 team Coastal Bend district and school population be damned. Of the 10 teams 6 would be competitive. FB, CCVM, Alice, GP, Miller and Calallen. 4 would be less competitive Carroll, Ray, Moody and King but not as less competitive I would argue than Laredo or RGV proposed district teams. Well, maybe there is still some hope that FB gets in a district with SV, Wagner, NB, BC, etc instead. It is the UIL after all and nothing is out of the question. Doubt FB could get into a district that far north. When I was in high school in Gonzales had to go to Flour Bluff and Robstown in all sports. That was not any fun. Best SA connections would be Southwest, Southside, CC Winn and the Laredo schools. Have fun with those schools.
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Post by markp3602 on Nov 30, 2023 9:59:06 GMT -6
it definitely sux for our coastal bend teams that desire to play good competition instead low caliber teams. since we r all situated in the mid point of between sa and the valley we get pullled into districts that r less achieving and long distance at that.
my personal opinion is 5a should do like 6a. no divison split till playoffs then have big school small school. that would make 2 districts here in the coastal bend traveling easier not just for us but i think for most teams south of austin. u could schedule quality nondistrict games to make up for a weak district play.
i also think if cut offs go as predicted i see 4A region 4 being wide open to be the region champion. teams like port lavaca, calallen, and possibly La Vernia being top dogs the next 2 years.
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Post by FB fan on Nov 30, 2023 10:04:47 GMT -6
Well, maybe there is still some hope that FB gets in a district with SV, Wagner, NB, BC, etc instead. It is the UIL after all and nothing is out of the question. Doubt FB could get into a district that far north. When I was in high school in Gonzales had to go to Flour Bluff and Robstown in all sports. That was not any fun. Best SA connections would be Southwest, Southside, CC Winn and the Laredo schools. Have fun with those schools. FB is familiar with Laredo as have had them in district not long ago. Southside and Southwest in playoffs recently. CC Winn not so much.
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Post by pncakeman on Nov 30, 2023 10:56:47 GMT -6
Based on the probable dissatisfaction from all parties, feels like CCISD not opting up is going to be a short two-year experiment that will die fast. I think you could see everybody throw in the towel next time around and opt back to D1 as long as Vets is still up there. If FB and Vets somehow are small enough to fall to D2 in two years, it is a moot point, but unless that happens I think the whole area will just play up and stop the zaniness. Most people think 5A D1 is a smoother playoff path in Region IV anyway as evidenced by the last half dozen years. I know it artificially messes with the cutoff lines across the state and creates ripples, but I'm betting a lot of trips to the Valley will sway people's opinions about doing it in Corpus.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 30, 2023 12:07:39 GMT -6
Well, maybe there is still some hope that FB gets in a district with SV, Wagner, NB, BC, etc instead. It is the UIL after all and nothing is out of the question. Doubt FB could get into a district that far north. When I was in high school in Gonzales had to go to Flour Bluff and Robstown in all sports. That was not any fun. Best SA connections would be Southwest, Southside, CC Winn and the Laredo schools. Have fun with those schools. Yes, maybe a touch of a drive shorter, but not much! And if it is competition they are after, a little more drive is more than worth not playing really bad Laredo 5a teams! Flour Bluff to: Southwest HS - 161 miles (2 hours 27 min) Southside HS - 144 miles (2 hours 9 min) Laredo ISD Stadium - 152 miles (2 hours 45 min) Smithson Valley HS - 188 miles (2 hours 46 min) Rutledge Stadium - 164 miles (2 hours 25 min) Seguin - 159 miles (2 hr 38 min) Boerne Champion - 189 miles (2 hr 49 min)
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 30, 2023 17:48:24 GMT -6
it definitely sux for our coastal bend teams that desire to play good competition instead low caliber teams. since we r all situated in the mid point of between sa and the valley we get pullled into districts that r less achieving and long distance at that. my personal opinion is 5a should do like 6a. no divison split till playoffs then have big school small school. that would make 2 districts here in the coastal bend traveling easier not just for us but i think for most teams south of austin. u could schedule quality nondistrict games to make up for a weak district play. i also think if cut offs go as predicted i see 4A region 4 being wide open to be the region champion. teams like port lavaca, calallen, and possibly La Vernia being top dogs the next 2 years. I agree with this. So many schools opt up for travel reason, that it almost certainly defeats the purpose of division splits. It’s certainly not important for the many opt ups.
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Post by acatfan on Dec 3, 2023 21:27:28 GMT -6
Here is the map:www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=1pLr8j7IAC2cUiCaxc98odUEshSRUeac&usp=sharingRegion 1:Districts 1 and 2 are a necessity with the EP-area having only 3 schools. Wichita Falls Legacy could go to DFW, but I'd prefer to keep 6 schools out west. Districts 3 and 4 should only be affected by DeSoto's decision. If DeSoto opts up, I believe Burleson ISD would replace them in D7. Brewer and (likely) Azle would move down to D3. Region 2:Districts 5 and 6 are pretty self-explanatory. The Colony could spin over to D4 if UIL desired, but it would be a silly move. With Longview likely moving up to 6A, I kept Lufkin out of District 7. Dallas ISD is unlikely to be placed here, so the district looks funky. I mentioned Burleson ISD replacing DeSoto, if needed. Birdville ISD could be the replacement instead, but that causes more issues on the west side. District 8 is currently a west Houston district and Killeen is in D4. But looking at the map, it is clear that the College Station/Killeen/Austin district makes more sense as the new D8. Region 3:
District 9 includes Lufkin because all of the trips are under 3 hours, unlike what DFW would bring. I made this the 7-team district to limit travel for all. Districts 10 and 11 are currently flip flopped, but look at the map and you should see why I made the change. Galena Park probably wants to be with HISD, but needed to be moved to make room for Spring Woods and Kempner. Also, Goose Creek Memorial should be 6A, so I am assuming Lee will continue to opt up to 5A D1. We'll see. I don't have much to say for District 12 - I think it speaks for itself. Region 4:Distirct 13 is where the real conundrum begins. Victoria East could go join HISD/Kempner/Spring Woods for a 9-team district, but I chose north SA instead. No good options here, but I thought this was the best one for the whole picture. District 14 is pretty self-explanatory. I assume Southside will opt up again? Who knows, but it wouldn't change too much if they didn't. Districts 15 and 16 are what they are. The Coastal Bend schools could form a 6-team district with Laredo (or 7-teamer with Vic East), but it would cause several other 9-team districts to be formed and not reduce much travel for the schools involved. I may do another mock to show what that would look like. I guess I pictured the Greater Houston districts being pretty much like you show them except I was thinking Crosby would stay with the northern most district and I was assuming Kempner would stay with Angleton & Friendswood but who knows. One of the unknowns at this point is what is SB Stratford's enrollment. TEA shows 2272 for the in between year but I seem to remember from years ago that both Stratford and Spring Woods would often include enrollment from a magnet school within the school district in the UIL total. This should be the last time for Angleton to be 5A as the city is the new frontier for growth and is growing at an astounding and some would say alarming rate. When the current building projects and the planned ones are completed it is expected by the city to add 13,400 to the population of Angleton which had 19,450 in 2020 census and that does not include the master planned community Pecan Ranch in the village of Bonney, 10 miles north of town which is still in Angleton ISD which should house about 3000 people.
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Post by rtxc1 on Dec 4, 2023 13:34:48 GMT -6
Here is the map:www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=1pLr8j7IAC2cUiCaxc98odUEshSRUeac&usp=sharingRegion 1:Districts 1 and 2 are a necessity with the EP-area having only 3 schools. Wichita Falls Legacy could go to DFW, but I'd prefer to keep 6 schools out west. Districts 3 and 4 should only be affected by DeSoto's decision. If DeSoto opts up, I believe Burleson ISD would replace them in D7. Brewer and (likely) Azle would move down to D3. Region 2:Districts 5 and 6 are pretty self-explanatory. The Colony could spin over to D4 if UIL desired, but it would be a silly move. With Longview likely moving up to 6A, I kept Lufkin out of District 7. Dallas ISD is unlikely to be placed here, so the district looks funky. I mentioned Burleson ISD replacing DeSoto, if needed. Birdville ISD could be the replacement instead, but that causes more issues on the west side. District 8 is currently a west Houston district and Killeen is in D4. But looking at the map, it is clear that the College Station/Killeen/Austin district makes more sense as the new D8. Region 3:
District 9 includes Lufkin because all of the trips are under 3 hours, unlike what DFW would bring. I made this the 7-team district to limit travel for all. Districts 10 and 11 are currently flip flopped, but look at the map and you should see why I made the change. Galena Park probably wants to be with HISD, but needed to be moved to make room for Spring Woods and Kempner. Also, Goose Creek Memorial should be 6A, so I am assuming Lee will continue to opt up to 5A D1. We'll see. I don't have much to say for District 12 - I think it speaks for itself. Region 4:Distirct 13 is where the real conundrum begins. Victoria East could go join HISD/Kempner/Spring Woods for a 9-team district, but I chose north SA instead. No good options here, but I thought this was the best one for the whole picture. District 14 is pretty self-explanatory. I assume Southside will opt up again? Who knows, but it wouldn't change too much if they didn't. Districts 15 and 16 are what they are. The Coastal Bend schools could form a 6-team district with Laredo (or 7-teamer with Vic East), but it would cause several other 9-team districts to be formed and not reduce much travel for the schools involved. I may do another mock to show what that would look like. I guess I pictured the Greater Houston districts being pretty much like you show them except I was thinking Crosby would stay with the northern most district and I was assuming Kempner would stay with Angleton & Friendswood but who knows. One of the unknowns at this point is what is SB Stratford's enrollment. TEA shows 2272 for the in between year but I seem to remember from years ago that both Stratford and Spring Woods would often include enrollment from a magnet school within the school district in the UIL total. This should be the last time for Angleton to be 5A as the city is the new frontier for growth and is growing at an astounding and some would say alarming rate. When the current building projects and the planned ones are completed it is expected by the city to add 13,400 to the population of Angleton which had 19,450 in 2020 census and that does not include the master planned community Pecan Ranch in the village of Bonney, 10 miles north of town which is still in Angleton ISD which should house about 3000 people. Stratford has a 6A snapshot. With 21 Houston-area schools, it make more sense to have 3 groupings of 7. Moving Crosby down allows Lufkin one less trip to the area as well.
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Post by butchdog on Dec 5, 2023 12:51:26 GMT -6
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