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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 28, 2023 12:26:18 GMT -6
Looks like Matt Stepp’s mock uses Padilla’s thinking of 990 for 4A cutoff. Yes, they projected less schools in 5A and 6A.
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Post by AledoAlumni on Nov 28, 2023 13:56:36 GMT -6
Looks like Matt Stepp’s mock uses Padilla’s thinking of 990 for 4A cutoff. Yes, they projected less schools in 5A and 6A. After you figure out potential cutoff, will you explain your approach to build the districts? Do you start El Paso, RGV, other another area? Do you try to hit a certain number of teams in a district? Just curious how you go about putting together your mocks? Also do you have others that you collab with or is it a one man army type thing?
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 28, 2023 14:28:23 GMT -6
Yes, they projected less schools in 5A and 6A. After you figure out potential cutoff, will you explain your approach to build the districts? Do you start El Paso, RGV, other another area? Do you try to hit a certain number of teams in a district? Just curious how you go about putting together your mocks? Also do you have others that you collab with or is it a one man army type thing? It’s a one man army. What I have done lately is take the list of schools and place them in the same districts from the previous alignment. For new schools to the conference, I place them in the closest district. From there, I put it all on the map, and stake out the districts visually. Then it’s time to make changes, so I start at El Paso and work around just like UIL. I try to avoid 10-team and 6-team districts, but understand they can happen. It’s basically a huge puzzle, trying to balance out what is best for each school and the state as a whole. Once the cutoffs are set, I don’t simply look at the previous alignment, but the last several to seek out trends. I don’t want to use a carbon copy of the previous alignment, but have to for some situations simply because UIL hasn’t changed them often. Without clear cutoffs, this thing has been a mess to sort through and put together.
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Post by drobles1376 on Nov 28, 2023 14:58:53 GMT -6
After you figure out potential cutoff, will you explain your approach to build the districts? Do you start El Paso, RGV, other another area? Do you try to hit a certain number of teams in a district? Just curious how you go about putting together your mocks? Also do you have others that you collab with or is it a one man army type thing? It’s a one man army. What I have done lately is take the list of schools and place them in the same districts from the previous alignment. For new schools to the conference, I place them in the closest district. From there, I put it all on the map, and stake out the districts visually. Then it’s time to make changes, so I start at El Paso and work around just like UIL. I try to avoid 10-team and 6-team districts, but understand they can happen. It’s basically a huge puzzle, trying to balance out what is best for each school and the state as a whole. Once the cutoffs are set, I don’t simply look at the previous alignment, but the last several to seek out trends. I don’t want to use a carbon copy of the previous alignment, but have to for some situations simply because UIL hasn’t changed them often. Without clear cutoffs, this thing has been a mess to sort through and put together. Appreciate all your efforts!
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 28, 2023 19:12:15 GMT -6
After you figure out potential cutoff, will you explain your approach to build the districts? Do you start El Paso, RGV, other another area? Do you try to hit a certain number of teams in a district? Just curious how you go about putting together your mocks? Also do you have others that you collab with or is it a one man army type thing? It’s a one man army. What I have done lately is take the list of schools and place them in the same districts from the previous alignment. For new schools to the conference, I place them in the closest district. From there, I put it all on the map, and stake out the districts visually. Then it’s time to make changes, so I start at El Paso and work around just like UIL. I try to avoid 10-team and 6-team districts, but understand they can happen. It’s basically a huge puzzle, trying to balance out what is best for each school and the state as a whole. Once the cutoffs are set, I don’t simply look at the previous alignment, but the last several to seek out trends. I don’t want to use a carbon copy of the previous alignment, but have to for some situations simply because UIL hasn’t changed them often. Without clear cutoffs, this thing has been a mess to sort through and put together. District alignments shouldn’t really change much. I know that the UIL uses a software to figure out which district alignments make the most sense from a travel standpoint so the formula should give you the same results alignment after alignment (obviously with removing and adding schools making a little bit of a difference only).
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Post by FB fan on Nov 28, 2023 19:45:25 GMT -6
This was a lot more simple and I wonder if not better before 6A and D1 and D2. At least in the Coastal Bend it would be local traditional rivals districts.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 28, 2023 20:03:20 GMT -6
This was a lot more simple and I wonder if not better before 6A and D1 and D2. At least in the Coastal Bend it would be local traditional rivals districts. 6A didn't change anything and was just a name change. They just renamed 6-man to Class A and made all the other conferences add an "A". D1 and D2 clearly complicate the process. I sure hate choosing D1 and D2 after the season though, it's just so silly.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 28, 2023 20:05:27 GMT -6
It’s a one man army. What I have done lately is take the list of schools and place them in the same districts from the previous alignment. For new schools to the conference, I place them in the closest district. From there, I put it all on the map, and stake out the districts visually. Then it’s time to make changes, so I start at El Paso and work around just like UIL. I try to avoid 10-team and 6-team districts, but understand they can happen. It’s basically a huge puzzle, trying to balance out what is best for each school and the state as a whole. Once the cutoffs are set, I don’t simply look at the previous alignment, but the last several to seek out trends. I don’t want to use a carbon copy of the previous alignment, but have to for some situations simply because UIL hasn’t changed them often. Without clear cutoffs, this thing has been a mess to sort through and put together. District alignments shouldn’t really change much. I know that the UIL uses a software to figure out which district alignments make the most sense from a travel standpoint so the formula should give you the same results alignment after alignment (obviously with removing and adding schools making a little bit of a difference only). I generally agree. But if one school has increased travel in one alignment, UIL should give them a break the next time. There's a lot more wiggle room with 32 districts as compared to 16.
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 28, 2023 21:14:44 GMT -6
District alignments shouldn’t really change much. I know that the UIL uses a software to figure out which district alignments make the most sense from a travel standpoint so the formula should give you the same results alignment after alignment (obviously with removing and adding schools making a little bit of a difference only). I generally agree. But if one school has increased travel in one alignment, UIL should give them a break the next time. There's a lot more wiggle room with 32 districts as compared to 16. I wouldn’t be surprised if the UIL puts this into practice like you mentioned. This is where the software can’t necessarily think for itself and they have to go in there and give it a hand. This is probably more of an issue with isolated high schools.
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Post by FB fan on Nov 28, 2023 21:16:36 GMT -6
This was a lot more simple and I wonder if not better before 6A and D1 and D2. At least in the Coastal Bend it would be local traditional rivals districts. 6A didn't change anything and was just a name change. They just renamed 6-man to Class A and made all the other conferences add an "A". D1 and D2 clearly complicate the process. I sure hate choosing D1 and D2 after the season though, it's just so silly. What six man football didn't describe exactly what it is? Was that wasting too many letters? My point is 5A then 4A without D1 D2 was adequate size division between schools to form districts. Just drop the D1 D2 completely. It's causing way too much hassle and travel.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 28, 2023 22:08:00 GMT -6
I've got a scenario for y'all and would like your opinions.
I'm considering making a change in R4 on the new mock. Vets is currently headed to the RGV, with Laredo going to SA. I could flip this to give the CC schools a slight break on travel each week, with the exception of EP Winn. UIL did send Alice and Calallen to Winn back in 2016, which I believe resulted in the appeal that led to the 11-team district.
D30: CC Vets Eagle Pass Winn Flour Bluff Northside Jay Southside Southwest & Southwest Legacy
D31: Laredo ISD (Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon) La Joya ISD (Juarez-Lincoln, Palmview) McAllen ISD (McAllen, Memorial, Rowe) Rio Grande City
D32: Brownsville Rivera Donna & Donna North Edinburg Vela Harlingen South Mission PSJA ISD (Memorial, North) Welaco East
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Post by karlosy on Nov 29, 2023 4:38:44 GMT -6
6A didn't change anything and was just a name change. They just renamed 6-man to Class A and made all the other conferences add an "A". D1 and D2 clearly complicate the process. I sure hate choosing D1 and D2 after the season though, it's just so silly. What six man football didn't describe exactly what it is? Was that wasting too many letters? My point is 5A then 4A without D1 D2 was adequate size division between schools to form districts. Just drop the D1 D2 completely. It's causing way too much hassle and travel. Disagree. Having schools with 1100 students in the same districts as schools with 2000 in football isnt a good idea. The schools across the state voted. Well, The superintendents voted for the split.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 29, 2023 9:27:43 GMT -6
I've got a scenario for y'all and would like your opinions. I'm considering making a change in R4 on the new mock. Vets is currently headed to the RGV, with Laredo going to SA. I could flip this to give the CC schools a slight break on travel each week, with the exception of EP Winn. UIL did send Alice and Calallen to Winn back in 2016, which I believe resulted in the appeal that led to the 11-team district. D30: CC Vets Eagle Pass Winn Flour Bluff Northside Jay Southside Southwest & Southwest Legacy D31: Laredo ISD (Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon) La Joya ISD (Juarez-Lincoln, Palmview) McAllen ISD (McAllen, Memorial, Rowe) Rio Grande City D32: Brownsville Rivera Donna & Donna North Edinburg Vela Harlingen South Mission PSJA ISD (Memorial, North) Welaco East Nevermind. From Flour Bluff to the RGV, the average 1-way mileage is 153 and average travel time is 151.8 minutes. FB to SA has an average mileage of 171.6 and travel time of 159.6 minutes. I’m sure the travel time from Laredo to the RGV is more than to SA, so the point is moot. It was just an idea.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Nov 29, 2023 11:19:41 GMT -6
6A didn't change anything and was just a name change. They just renamed 6-man to Class A and made all the other conferences add an "A". D1 and D2 clearly complicate the process. I sure hate choosing D1 and D2 after the season though, it's just so silly. What six man football didn't describe exactly what it is? Was that wasting too many letters? My point is 5A then 4A without D1 D2 was adequate size division between schools to form districts. Just drop the D1 D2 completely. It's causing way too much hassle and travel. The renaming of six man to 1A was more about the other sports being separated...back in the day six man schools in basketball were with eleven man schools...by making them a stand alone class it helps them compete on more even ground in those sports
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 29, 2023 11:21:58 GMT -6
This was a lot more simple and I wonder if not better before 6A and D1 and D2. At least in the Coastal Bend it would be local traditional rivals districts. 6A didn't change anything and was just a name change. They just renamed 6-man to Class A and made all the other conferences add an "A". D1 and D2 clearly complicate the process. I sure hate choosing D1 and D2 after the season though, it's just so silly.Amen to this! I did a little research on the disadvantage of not pre-district splitting D1 & D2 for Class 6a and it is real. Though not as bad in D2 this year as most years are it is still pretty significant. Using the 2022 classification #s: Taking the 64 teams in the 6a D1 bracket and looking at each matchup in round 1 the largest disparity was the Hutto/Duncanville game. Hutto 2549 Duncanville 4642. Duncanville is 82% larger than Hutto The average enrollment size of the 64 teams in the bracket is 3398. The average size enrollment difference for the 32 1st round games is 23.1% or about 785 kids difference from the bigger school to the smaller one! in the 6a D2 bracket the biggest difference this year in the 1st round matchups was Coppell/Guyer at 4213/2614 or about 61.2%. The average sized D2 team in round 1 was 2668 and the average difference in size for the 32 1st round games was about 344 or so which is actually pretty dang good. But there are still like 7 of those 1st round games where the bigger team is 20% or more larger! 5a D1 seems to be the best when it comes to teams matching up being the closest in size. There were actually 7 5a D1 teams who made the playoffs that were opt up schools. One opt up school is playing for a regional title (Miller). Even with those 7 schools figured in the average size difference of the 1st round matchups was only about 9.2% or about 189. If you remove those 7 opt up schools and figure the average difference for the 1st round matchups it is only a little over 100 kids. The biggest enrollment difference of any 1st round matchup that did not involve and opt up team was the Magnolia West/Houston Madison 2217.5/1963 at 13% difference. Going down to 5a D2 the disparity grows quite a bit. There were 3 opt ups that made the playoffs. Only 1 of these 3 won a game (Austin LBJ). If you do not include these 3 opt up schools in those 3 first round games, the other 29 games averaged a difference of about 248 kids from large school to small. The largest disparity was the Arlington Heights/Lake Dallas 1908/1311 at 45.5%. Funny enough, little old Lake Dallas beat A Heights 28-13 but was whipped by WF Rider the following week by 29. Obviously the reason for 5a D1 being so much more balanced in matchup size is simply because the slot between high and low in that division is only 299 kids. The biggest possible gap there can be from the largest school in it playing the smallest is is only 15.5%!! Then you go to 5a D2 that allows for a much larger gap in enrollment size and you could have a school with 1300 playing a team with 1924, or 48% difference in size! Kinda ridiculous really!
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