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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 6:40:34 GMT -6
Yes but against much weaker competition. How was that 3rd round exit btw? This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition mattersI ran this same drill for Calallen just for shitz and giggles (and comparison in the same 4 years) Calallen wins: Uvalde Mercedes Kerrville Tivy (2) Valley View Alamo Heights Brenham (2) Calhoun Edcouch Elsa Grulla Canyon Lake Calallen losses: McCallum FB Marshall Boerne Champion Austin LBJ When you list it out like this... doesn't look all that impressive either huh? All we can do is play who makes it to each round. And we lose when we lose, or we win state. I promise you, we are doing the best we can. Interesting side note: Calallen is 12-4 in the playoffs in the last four years. Vets is 11-4 in the playoffs in the same four years.
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Post by picodegallo on Sept 22, 2021 6:53:14 GMT -6
This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition mattersI ran this same drill for Calallen just for shitz and giggles (and comparison in the same 4 years) Calallen wins: Uvalde Mercedes Kerrville Tivy (2) Valley View Alamo Heights Brenham (2) Calhoun Edcouch Elsa Grulla Canyon Lake Calallen losses: McCallum FB Marshall Boerne Champion Austin LBJ When you list it out like this... doesn't look all that impressive either huh? All we can do is play who makes it to each round. And we lose when we lose, or we win state. I promise you, we are doing the best we can. Interesting side note: Calallen is 12-4 in the playoffs in the last four years. Vets is 11-4 in the playoffs in the same four years. This has the most irrelevant post ever on this forum.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 7:17:59 GMT -6
This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition mattersIn those 4 years, Vets is also 46-8… you’ve just listed 4 of the 8 losses. Unless a team wins state, they are going to have a loss to end each season. And Vets itself was a new school throughout those years. So why is it ok to knock those that you listed as new schools, and not give credit to Vets for being the same new school and winning the game? Where do you get your records from? CCVM 2016 4-6 2017 11-2 2018 12-1 2019 10-4 2020 13-1 That is 50-14............2016 counts whether you like it or not And so what if that is 4 of the 8 losses in the last 4 seasons........like I said, COMPETITION MATTERS
It just seems that you do not want to acknowledge that fact. Vets was a new school in 2016, not those years they beat SA Harlan, which by the way was their very first season as a varsity team, or when you beat SAVM. My entire post before and now with this one is to point out that competition matters and you can see how VM has done when facing good teams. You've not even lost to a team yet that has won a title. You are playing in a very, very weak division and that also makes a difference. You do know this stuff whether you want to admit it or not. They 3 best teams you've faced ever were Foster, Wagner, and CP and the total score of those 3 games is CCVM 56 Opponents 177 or an average score of CCVM 18.7 Opponents 59. Again, neither of those 3 teams put a trophy in the case those years. Credit due where it is deserved and that is that CCVM has done very well since they've started but they are not some state powerhouse in any way.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 7:24:07 GMT -6
I ran this same drill for Calallen just for shitz and giggles (and comparison in the same 4 years) Calallen wins: Uvalde Mercedes Kerrville Tivy (2) Valley View Alamo Heights Brenham (2) Calhoun Edcouch Elsa Grulla Canyon Lake Calallen losses: McCallum FB Marshall Boerne Champion Austin LBJ When you list it out like this... doesn't look all that impressive either huh? All we can do is play who makes it to each round. And we lose when we lose, or we win state. I promise you, we are doing the best we can. Interesting side note: Calallen is 12-4 in the playoffs in the last four years. Vets is 11-4 in the playoffs in the same four years. You really can't be serious here right? Calallen's 4 losses these 4 years look like this: Callen 90 Opponents 126 or an average score of Calallen 22.5 Opponents 31.5 with the largest margin win being 14 points by either of the 4 opponents. Now, do you want to see a list of just who Calallen has beaten in the past in the state playoffs? I can assure you they have beaten state powerhouses multiple times. You really don't want to be comparing your team to Calallen just yet I don't think. lol
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 7:44:10 GMT -6
I ran this same drill for Calallen just for shitz and giggles (and comparison in the same 4 years) Calallen wins: Uvalde Mercedes Kerrville Tivy (2) Valley View Alamo Heights Brenham (2) Calhoun Edcouch Elsa Grulla Canyon Lake Calallen losses: McCallum FB Marshall Boerne Champion Austin LBJ When you list it out like this... doesn't look all that impressive either huh? All we can do is play who makes it to each round. And we lose when we lose, or we win state. I promise you, we are doing the best we can. Interesting side note: Calallen is 12-4 in the playoffs in the last four years. Vets is 11-4 in the playoffs in the same four years. You really can't be serious here right? Calallen's 4 losses these 4 years look like this: Callen 90 Opponents 126 or an average score of Calallen 22.5 Opponents 31.5 with the largest margin win being 14 points by either of the 4 opponents. Now, do you want to see a list of just who Calallen has beaten in the past in the state playoffs? I can assure you they have beaten state powerhouses multiple times. You really don't want to be comparing your team to Calallen just yet I don't think. lol Comparing a team starting it’s 6th year of varsity to the history of decades upon decades of greatness? No not quite yet. But in the same 4 years?? Extremely comparable. Just saying… listing the playoff wins and losses side by side in the 4 years that Vets has been a playoff team… it doesn’t look all that different to me. And didn’t someone say on here yesterday “a loss is a loss”…. Can’t remember who said it. Ummmm let me think for a second… my memory seems to be failing….oh…. wait…. I think we both know who said it lol.
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 7:47:25 GMT -6
And heck yeah, I count 2016. 50-14 in complete existence of the school in 5 years ain’t bad at all.
You are the one that pulled out the past 4 years of Vets playoff wins and losses, not me!
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 7:52:36 GMT -6
As for the state powerhouse comment. I agree. Gotta get the w’s in round 5, and the big w in round 6 to get that monicker. That hasn’t happened. But it could. The season is young.
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Post by picodegallo on Sept 22, 2021 7:58:40 GMT -6
Yes but against much weaker competition. How was that 3rd round exit btw? This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition mattersThe played maybe four teams who have quality playoff teams year to year meaning they were factors before CC Vets started playing football..... Mission Vets, Flour Bluff, Foster, and Cedar Park. Miller is now in year three of their rebirth so I don't count them as part of the first four. The rest? Meh...
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 9:22:23 GMT -6
You really can't be serious here right? Calallen's 4 losses these 4 years look like this: Callen 90 Opponents 126 or an average score of Calallen 22.5 Opponents 31.5 with the largest margin win being 14 points by either of the 4 opponents. Now, do you want to see a list of just who Calallen has beaten in the past in the state playoffs? I can assure you they have beaten state powerhouses multiple times. You really don't want to be comparing your team to Calallen just yet I don't think. lol Comparing a team starting it’s 6th year of varsity to the history of decades upon decades of greatness? No not quite yet. But in the same 4 years?? Extremely comparable. Just saying… listing the playoff wins and losses side by side in the 4 years that Vets has been a playoff team… it doesn’t look all that different to me. And didn’t someone say on here yesterday “a loss is a loss”…. Can’t remember who said it. Ummmm let me think for a second… my memory seems to be failing….oh…. wait…. I think we both know who said it lol. A loss is a loss but if you don't understand that you get respect by playing the best teams close and not getting BLOWN OUT of the water I don't know what to say. But I believe you do understand that as well. So, ask yourself if you think the Calallen coaches, players, and fans are happy with their last 4 years. I'm betting they've fallen short of the goals they set for themselves overall. They are not the ones on here beating their chests over 3 & 4 round deep playoff runs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 9:22:31 GMT -6
You really can't be serious here right? Calallen's 4 losses these 4 years look like this: Callen 90 Opponents 126 or an average score of Calallen 22.5 Opponents 31.5 with the largest margin win being 14 points by either of the 4 opponents. Now, do you want to see a list of just who Calallen has beaten in the past in the state playoffs? I can assure you they have beaten state powerhouses multiple times. You really don't want to be comparing your team to Calallen just yet I don't think. lol Comparing a team starting it’s 6th year of varsity to the history of decades upon decades of greatness? No not quite yet. But in the same 4 years?? Extremely comparable. Just saying… listing the playoff wins and losses side by side in the 4 years that Vets has been a playoff team… it doesn’t look all that different to me. And didn’t someone say on here yesterday “a loss is a loss”…. Can’t remember who said it. Ummmm let me think for a second… my memory seems to be failing….oh…. wait…. I think we both know who said it lol. You need to get over the, "we've only been a school for 6 years", nonsense. You're a school that had open enrollment in a city of 350k. Stop making a fool of yourself.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 9:27:35 GMT -6
And heck yeah, I count 2016. 50-14 in complete existence of the school in 5 years ain’t bad at all. You are the one that pulled out the past 4 years of Vets playoff wins and losses, not me! yes......because that is the playoff games your team has had. lmao Again, I've acknowledged more than just once or twice that CCVM has done well in their short existence. I don't think anyone would argue that. The debate comes from me when you continually point to these 3 and 4 deep runs they've made. Great, but in the end it is about who you played to do that. You weren't facing any teams in those 1st or 2nd round games that could be considered legit top 25 teams in the state, right?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 9:32:55 GMT -6
As for the state powerhouse comment. I agree. Gotta get the w’s in round 5, and the big w in round 6 to get that monicker. That hasn’t happened. But it could. The season is young. Honestly, I don't think winning a state title is only way to get that statewide recognition at all. It is simply about playing the top teams in the state to good, tight, 4 quarter competitive ball games. Until CCVM does that you are not going to have that statewide respect. Calallen, GP, Alice, and some others on here have never won it all but they have in the past played toe to toe with best the state has to offer in their classification. That is where respect is earned I think. Hell man, Steele is 0-3 against Katy and I bet you can ask any Katy player or coach that faced them in those 3 games...or even their fans if they respected Steele and I would bet the overwhelming response would be yes because they played them toe to toe 2 out of 3 games. Same thing can be said about the Knights against LT. LT has won every single game but each one was a slugfest including my son's senior year when we lost at home in 2OT to them and it should have NEVER gotten to OT that night
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 9:34:44 GMT -6
The played maybe four teams who have quality playoff teams year to year meaning they were factors before CC Vets started playing football..... Mission Vets, Flour Bluff, Foster, and Cedar Park. Miller is now in year three of their rebirth so I don't count them as part of the first four. The rest? Meh... I agree completely on your list. Miller I would not say would be a quality win but they are not in the same classification so I would hope a 5a D1 team would beat the 4a D1 team. lol
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Post by picodegallo on Sept 22, 2021 9:50:11 GMT -6
Comparing a team starting it’s 6th year of varsity to the history of decades upon decades of greatness? No not quite yet. But in the same 4 years?? Extremely comparable. Just saying… listing the playoff wins and losses side by side in the 4 years that Vets has been a playoff team… it doesn’t look all that different to me. And didn’t someone say on here yesterday “a loss is a loss”…. Can’t remember who said it. Ummmm let me think for a second… my memory seems to be failing….oh…. wait…. I think we both know who said it lol. A loss is a loss but if you don't understand that you get respect by playing the best teams close and not getting BLOWN OUT of the water I don't know what to say. But I believe you do understand that as well. So, ask yourself if you think the Calallen coaches, players, and fans are happy with their last 4 years. I'm betting they've fallen short of the goals they set for themselves overall. They are not the ones on here beating their chests over 3 & 4 round deep playoff runs. Not happy at all as a Calallen fan. I would say in the last four years , the 2017 run was the most disappointing in the sense we were not at our full potential because of injuries on our offensive line who you saw with your own eyes, dominated San Antonio Johnson in week two which was a very large 6A school going up against a one of the smaller 5A's at the time. To this day I believe if we had even been 80% on offense against McCallum, we would have won that game with ease too. As far as individual games in the playoffs, I can't pinpoint a specific game where we got downright embarrassed out of the stadium in the playoffs save maybe the 2007 game against Lake Travis when we got blown out. Maybe the 2012 loss to Alice in Beeville where noting went right, but it wasn't a blow out. CC Vets can't claim this at all. That game they had against Wagner, they showed up very disinterested and like they won their Super Bowl against Miller the week before. Everyone of their playoff runs to date have ended badly. CC Warcat again projects too much...
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Post by Hounhound on Sept 22, 2021 12:14:25 GMT -6
Alice is a playoff team in 15-5A 1. Easy Not this season. VE is the likely #4. Not last season. VE was the #4. Not the previous season, Vets was the #4. Maybe 4 years ago when Ray was decent and the #4. Before that it was zone play with Calallen, Vets, FB, and Alice actually made it as the 4 seed. They played Vets even in the first game of the year and you have Vets in the State Championship. No way Alice is in the Playoffs in 5A 1 15 This year. If they go back to 5A you will see.
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