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Post by picodegallo on Sept 21, 2021 21:10:08 GMT -6
Picking on the ',little guy'? Dude Vets barely escaped out of Alice with a 2 point win. Get over yourself. Calallen would eat Vets lunch. Better yet why doesn't Vets schedule a legit 6A team? Even lil' ol' Alice scheduled one, but I would like to see Vets play Judson or Steele. Those teams would soundly beat them, but it would allow them to see what good (not great like Westlake) teams have and have better expectations to compete against region 3. Eh, truth be told Vets has been beating Calallen regularly in subvarsity. While that doesn’t always extend into the varsity game, what does extend into the varsity game is the mindset… on both sides. Congrats on those moral victories. When one program takes the best 40 to 50 kids in the entire program from 9th through 12th and has no reservations about putting them on the varsity, your sub varsity teams are going to reflect this. Of course you have near 6A numbers participating which makes this unnecessary to do where we have genuine 4A numbers. Say hi to Tatoo on Fantasy Island. |
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Sept 21, 2021 21:15:20 GMT -6
Picking on the ',little guy'? Dude Vets barely escaped out of Alice with a 2 point win. Get over yourself. Calallen would eat Vets lunch. Better yet why doesn't Vets schedule a legit 6A team? Even lil' ol' Alice scheduled one, but I would like to see Vets play Judson or Steele. Those teams would soundly beat them, but it would allow them to see what good (not great like Westlake) teams have and have better expectations to compete against region 3. Eh, truth be told Vets has been beating Calallen regularly in subvarsity. While that doesn’t always extend into the varsity game, what does extend into the varsity game is the mindset… on both sides. Calallen beat Vets already |
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:54 GMT -6
Eh, truth be told Vets has been beating Calallen regularly in subvarsity. While that doesn’t always extend into the varsity game, what does extend into the varsity game is the mindset… on both sides. Calallen beat Vets already Correct, in 2017. That was Vets 2nd season of varsity. 46-25 or something like that. |
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Post by picodegallo on Sept 21, 2021 21:26:52 GMT -6
Calallen beat Vets already Correct, in 2017. That was Vets 2nd season of varsity. 46-25 or something like that. Do,you still have your south zone district champs T shirt? |
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Sept 21, 2021 21:32:57 GMT -6
Calallen beat Vets already Correct, in 2017. That was Vets 2nd season of varsity. 46-25 or something like that. so it’s no big deal they beat Vets? |
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 21, 2021 21:37:19 GMT -6
Correct, in 2017. That was Vets 2nd season of varsity. 46-25 or something like that. so it’s no big deal they beat Vets? It is. It was a big deal then. The game has never been played again. Vets had a 3rd round exit that season (3rd round is the least deep Vets has gone). Vets has been to the 4th and 5th rounds since then. |
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Sept 21, 2021 21:42:52 GMT -6
so it’s no big deal they beat Vets? It is. It was a big deal then. The game has never been played again. Vets had a 3rd round exit that season (3rd round is the least deep Vets has gone). Vets has been to the 4th and 5th rounds since then. Yes we all have seen it. |
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Post by sotex on Sept 21, 2021 22:19:14 GMT -6
so it’s no big deal they beat Vets? It is. It was a big deal then. The game has never been played again. Vets had a 3rd round exit that season (3rd round is the least deep Vets has gone). Vets has been to the 4th and 5th rounds since then. Yes but against much weaker competition. How was that 3rd round exit btw? |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 5:28:46 GMT -6
Sorry, I meant if Vets were to win that matchup. If Calallen were to win, then everyone on here would be jumping for joy. It’s a no-win situation for Vets from a public perception deal.But it would be a nice feather for the team/school/fans. YOu are probably somewhat correct here on this. So why don't you tell your coach to nut up and schedule a tough team roughly the same size as they are enrollment wise for a non-district game instead of going after a good team with about 50%-60% of VM's enrollment. Numbers do make a difference in depth. Hell, I bet Wagner, the smallest team in our district would love to play CCVM again. |
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 5:40:16 GMT -6
Sorry, I meant if Vets were to win that matchup. If Calallen were to win, then everyone on here would be jumping for joy. It’s a no-win situation for Vets from a public perception deal.But it would be a nice feather for the team/school/fans. YOu are probably somewhat correct here on this. So why don't you tell your coach to nut up and schedule a tough team roughly the same size as they are enrollment wise for a non-district game instead of going after a good team with about 50%-60% of VM's enrollment. Numbers do make a difference in depth. Hell, I bet Wagner, the smallest team in our district would love to play CCVM again. I don’t see Wagner as a good team to schedule because the offense they run doesn’t help us come playoff time. We’d be unlikely to see that offense anywhere in the playoffs. However, I’d be stoked about a game against Vela or Harlingen down south (both of which I think we beat). Or maybe Dripping Springs, Alamo Heights, Boerne Champion, New Braunfels or even Brandeis or Brennan up north of here… many of which we’d beat too. You know, a big name school that most people know, but teams that we’d matchup well with or beat (or at the very least compete very well with). Timing of the game? There’s not much choice given the huge district we are in. It would have to be game 1 or 2. Personally, I’d like to see it as game 3. But since that’s not possible, might as well make it game 1. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 5:42:55 GMT -6
True that. Maybe we’ll schedule each other this off-season. That would be pretty legit (even though everyone on here will say Vets is again picking on the “little guy” 4A school). Picking on the ',little guy'? Dude Vets barely escaped out of Alice with a 2 point win. Get over yourself. Calallen would eat Vets lunch. Better yet why doesn't Vets schedule a legit 6A team? Even lil' ol' Alice scheduled one, but I would like to see Vets play Judson or Steele. Those teams would soundly beat them, but it would allow them to see what good (not great like Westlake) teams have and have better expectations to compete against region 3. Judson and Steele are a shadow of what they once were and I'd give him 14 points against either right now. Hey, did you know that Judson is now a DII lock. Yup, they are the 2nd smallest enrollment in the district with about 250 more kids than Wagner. Playing Judson or Steele would be a lot less jump up in size for ccvm than what a lot of their non-district and district competition has to do to play them. Last realignment #s: CCVM 2108 Wagner 2233 (5.9% more than ccvm) Judson 2504 (18.8% more than ccvm) Steele 2606 (23.6% more than ccvm) Alice 1226 (71.9% less than ccvm) Miller 1219 (72.9% less than ccvm) Moody 1631 (29.2% less than ccvm) King 1549 (36.1% less than ccvm) Carroll 1416 ((48.8% less than ccvm) |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 6:02:23 GMT -6
YOu are probably somewhat correct here on this. So why don't you tell your coach to nut up and schedule a tough team roughly the same size as they are enrollment wise for a non-district game instead of going after a good team with about 50%-60% of VM's enrollment. Numbers do make a difference in depth. Hell, I bet Wagner, the smallest team in our district would love to play CCVM again. I don’t see Wagner as a good team to schedule because the offense they run doesn’t help us come playoff time. We’d be unlikely to see that offense anywhere in the playoffs. However, I’d be stoked about a game against Vela or Harlingen down south (both of which I think we beat). Or maybe Dripping Springs, Alamo Heights, Boerne Champion, New Braunfels or even Brandeis or Brennan up north of here… many of which we’d beat too. You know, a big name school that most people know, but teams that we’d matchup well with or beat (or at the very least compete very well with). So, because Wagner runs something different than the majority of teams do, that wouldn't help you? I find that difficult to believe. Vela is a solid 6a team in R4 for sure and Harlingen is usually as well. Brennan would beat your team this year by 21. You say an athletic QB gives your team fits, then get online and check out Brennan's Jr QB! And New Braunfels just beat Judson last week and has the best pure passing QB in the region along with a stable of receivers that catch everything thrown at them. VM would NOT beat NB this year and I'd bet the house on it. But, I think even if you played NB, Judson, Wagner, Vela and even lost in close games you would see folks on this board hand out more respect than beating the teams you have been beating. |
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Post by Clemensbuff on Sept 22, 2021 6:15:29 GMT -6
It is. It was a big deal then. The game has never been played again. Vets had a 3rd round exit that season (3rd round is the least deep Vets has gone). Vets has been to the 4th and 5th rounds since then. Yes but against much weaker competition. How was that 3rd round exit btw? This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition matters |
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 6:15:35 GMT -6
I don’t see Wagner as a good team to schedule because the offense they run doesn’t help us come playoff time. We’d be unlikely to see that offense anywhere in the playoffs. However, I’d be stoked about a game against Vela or Harlingen down south (both of which I think we beat). Or maybe Dripping Springs, Alamo Heights, Boerne Champion, New Braunfels or even Brandeis or Brennan up north of here… many of which we’d beat too. You know, a big name school that most people know, but teams that we’d matchup well with or beat (or at the very least compete very well with). So, because Wagner runs something different than the majority of teams do, that wouldn't help you? I find that difficult to believe. Vela is a solid 6a team in R4 for sure and Harlingen is usually as well. Brennan would beat your team this year by 21. You say an athletic QB gives your team fits, then get online and check out Brennan's Jr QB! And New Braunfels just beat Judson last week and has the best pure passing QB in the region along with a stable of receivers that catch everything thrown at them. VM would NOT beat NB this year and I'd bet the house on it. But, I think even if you played NB, Judson, Wagner, Vela and even lost in close games you would see folks on this board hand out more respect than beating the teams you have been beating. From what I know of coach Bitner. He’s a dude that doesn’t have an ounce of fear in his body. He’s always been “not good enough” to those judging him, and because of that he’s always worked extremely hard for the things he’s earned… including walking on at A&M and becoming an Aggie legend. It will be interesting to see who he schedules now that he is the head coach and presumably has a big say in non-district scheduling. Vets has grown up quite a bit since it’s birth, and I think it’s time to take that step and bring on some better non-district competition. Miller was a great choice for the past 2 seasons, and they still may be. But personally, I think it’s time to let them go. Alice should have never been on the schedule. I’d love to see Vela happen, that’s my #1 wish list game. No dice? Bring on Dripping Springs as my #2 choice. As for the 2nd game? Calallen would be legit. Or maybe even keep Miller since it’s kinda become a tradition each year. Heck, maybe bring back Churchill… still a 6A team, and one that brings a decent test… but also a win. |
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Post by ccwarcat on Sept 22, 2021 6:23:16 GMT -6
Yes but against much weaker competition. How was that 3rd round exit btw? This is the part I think he has the hardest thing comprehending. I've listed the teams Vets has beaten in the playoffs and the ones they've lost to and it is very, very telling to say the least. Competition matters. I wonder how many rounds deep they'd have gone since year 2 of their program if they'd been lining up across from teams out of say, CP's district? I know CP is not in R4 right now but what if they were and that was the 1st round of matchups for Vet's district? R4 is just NOT good at all and hasn't been for a while in 5a D1 outside of 1 or 2 teams each year......and maybe 3 solid teams in some years. CCVM Playoff wins: EP Winn Brownsville VM (2) SA Harlan (1st year program) Mission VM SA VM (2nd Year Program) CC Miller Rowe SA SW Legacy SA SW Flour Bluff CCVM Playoff losses: Foster Mission VM Wagner Cedar Park Competition mattersIn those 4 years, Vets is also 46-8… you’ve just listed 4 of the 8 losses. Unless a team wins state, they are going to have a loss to end each season. And Vets itself was a new school throughout those years. So why is it ok to knock those that you listed as new schools, and not give credit to Vets for being the same new school and winning the game? |
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