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Post by FB fan on Apr 25, 2016 17:35:48 GMT -6
Corpus channel 6 news said UIL proposing 110 pitch count limit and 85 for sub varsity age. Also 4 days rest between 85 pitches or more and pitching again.
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Post by bluecat on Apr 25, 2016 17:39:29 GMT -6
Corpus channel 6 news said UIL proposing 110 pitch count limit and 85 for sub varsity age. Also 4 days rest between 85 pitches or more and pitching again. About time, too many kids throwing out their arms because a weak coach pushes them too far!
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Post by FB fan on Apr 25, 2016 17:49:30 GMT -6
Corpus channel 6 news said UIL proposing 110 pitch count limit and 85 for sub varsity age. Also 4 days rest between 85 pitches or more and pitching again. About time, too many kids throwing out their arms because a weak coach pushes them too far! I like the 110 and 85 limits but wonder about the four days rest after 85. With having to get 3 games played in 7 days with big districts or weather, maybe ace pitches 84 then number 2 finishes then ace gets back on the hump sooner than he would as is now. Also playoff scenario.
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Post by bluecat on Apr 25, 2016 18:04:20 GMT -6
About time, too many kids throwing out their arms because a weak coach pushes them too far! I like the 110 and 85 limits but wonder about the four days rest after 85. With having to get 3 games played in 7 days with big districts or weather, maybe ace pitches 84 then number 2 finishes then ace gets back on the hump sooner than he would as is now. Also playoff scenario. I understand the argument, but a win is Not more important than a kids longterm health. As long as every team follows the rules its fair. Yes I know the two stud pitcher teams are going to raise Hell if they approve these changes, but too many times have young arms been wasted because a coach left a young pitcher in for too many pitches. Safety first!
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Post by CatFan4Ever on Apr 25, 2016 19:38:23 GMT -6
The real question is - who is responsible for the accurate pitch count?? A suggestion was the opposing coach would be responsible - so the stud pitcher for School A has 95 pitches but the opposing coach - wanting him out of the game- says he has 110....hmmm?
Should be a limit on year round pitching - that is where the arms are being overused.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 25, 2016 20:08:42 GMT -6
The real question is - who is responsible for the accurate pitch count?? A suggestion was the opposing coach would be responsible - so the stud pitcher for School A has 95 pitches but the opposing coach - wanting him out of the game- says he has 110....hmmm? Should be a limit on year round pitching - that is where the arms are being overused. I would assign it to the second base ump. Just give him a mechanical counter to squeeze each pitch wouldn't add too much and might keep some we get head in the game.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 25, 2016 21:35:27 GMT -6
About time, too many kids throwing out their arms because a weak coach pushes them too far! I like the 110 and 85 limits but wonder about the four days rest after 85. With having to get 3 games played in 7 days with big districts or weather, maybe ace pitches 84 then number 2 finishes then ace gets back on the hump sooner than he would as is now. Also playoff scenario. And who will keep the official records for verification purposes?
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 26, 2016 7:41:30 GMT -6
The real question is - who is responsible for the accurate pitch count?? A suggestion was the opposing coach would be responsible - so the stud pitcher for School A has 95 pitches but the opposing coach - wanting him out of the game- says he has 110....hmmm? Should be a limit on year round pitching - that is where the arms are being overused. I would assign it to the second base ump. Just give him a mechanical counter to squeeze each pitch wouldn't add too much and might keep some we get head in the game. The Second base umps around here have enough of a problem with situational awareness as it is. I imagine it will have to be set up sort of like basketball scoring where both teams keep a book and if there is a dispute, the refs are then involved to go over the issue. With the baseball thing, they could follow the Little League model where both teams have a book and an official scorekeeper is required to keep a book to in the box with a corresponding log of pitches thrown per inning. The big question about all of this is how to keep the records transparent to insure one team doesn't try to sneak in a pitcher before the time limit expires during the said week? Will each District committee have to keep an internet portal with the stats for verification purposes? I agree about the comment of year around pitching. More experts in the field (pro, college and high school) such as former and current coaches, players and physicians are coming on board with the overuse of arms and diversification of sports options to give those arms a rest. Many of today's arm issues in high school players are being planted in them before they even wear a high school uniform unknown to everyone involved and then out of the blue, an issue arises. And it's just not Pitchers with issues. Having said that, some parents including ones I know are very much on top of it and things still happen. Others unfortunately (I don't know many of these) are not so much on top of it and with those kids it becomes career ending in some cases. Or at least a career ending as far as their time on the mound.
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Post by gpjohn on Apr 26, 2016 7:52:58 GMT -6
if you know how to keep a scorebook, then pitch count is easy. only think you have to remember is to put a tick mark down for any foul balls after 2 strikes. then just tote up the balls, strikes and hits. its so easy even a calallanite could do it!
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 26, 2016 8:00:53 GMT -6
if you know how to keep a scorebook, then pitch count is easy. only think you have to remember is to put a tick mark down for any foul balls after 2 strikes. then just tote up the balls, strikes and hits. its so easy even a calallanite could do it! The issue is what is the official count like Catfan4ever noted. How would disputes be resolved because you can bet your bottom dollar issues will arise especially in the competitive districts like ours.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 26, 2016 8:35:53 GMT -6
I would assign it to the second base ump. Just give him a mechanical counter to squeeze each pitch wouldn't add too much and might keep some we get head in the game. The Second base umps around here have enough of a problem with situational awareness as it is. I imagine it will have to be set up sort of like basketball scoring where both teams keep a book and if there is a dispute, the refs are then involved to go over the issue. With the baseball thing, they could follow the Little League model where both teams have a book and an official scorekeeper is required to keep a book to in the box with a corresponding log of pitches thrown per inning. The big question about all of this is how to keep the records transparent to insure one team doesn't try to sneak in a pitcher before the time limit expires during the said week? Will each District committee have to keep an internet portal with the stats for verification purposes? I agree about the comment of year around pitching. More experts in the field (pro, college and high school) such as former and current coaches, players and physicians are coming on board with the overuse of arms and diversification of sports options to give those arms a rest. Many of today's arm issues in high school players are being planted in them before they even wear a high school uniform unknown to everyone involved and then out of the blue, an issue arises. And it's just not Pitchers with issues. Having said that, some parents including ones I know are very much on top of it and things still happen. Others unfortunately (I don't know many of these) are not so much on top of it and with those kids it becomes career ending in some cases. Or at least a career ending as far as their time on the mound. That is more to my point. If the second base ump had to punch his pitch count clicker with each pitch then maybe he wouldn't doze off and miss the play that followed. Also, are they going to count pick off attempt throws?
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Post by otter on Apr 26, 2016 9:37:03 GMT -6
The real question is - who is responsible for the accurate pitch count?? A suggestion was the opposing coach would be responsible - so the stud pitcher for School A has 95 pitches but the opposing coach - wanting him out of the game- says he has 110....hmmm? Should be a limit on year round pitching - that is where the arms are being overused. Amen Should be a limit on year round period.
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Post by catfromwayback on Apr 26, 2016 21:55:36 GMT -6
Maybe a limit on how many steps a sprinter can take per week too. Silly.
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Post by gpfan55 on Apr 27, 2016 16:47:27 GMT -6
This new rule should be called "The Chapman Rule"
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Post by catfromwayback on Apr 27, 2016 22:33:40 GMT -6
This new rule should be called "The Chapman Rule" Why you want to take a cheap shot at Chapman? Is it because of his success or your own lack thereof? When you can't beat em and you can't join em......I guess all you can do is hate em.
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