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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:29:03 GMT -6
I for one would like to see this done. Close the numbers up and make for more competitive games throughout all classifications.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:36:27 GMT -6
No. Just create a 6A or 7A and adjust the classes accordingly. One state title game per class and be done with it!
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 7:40:30 GMT -6
Yes. I think it's basically inevitable either way, but I like the idea. The only complicating factor for 5A/6A is that the larger school districts (I'm looking at you Cy-Fair) will fight it like crazy because their schools will inevitably wind up in different classes.
But the biggest reason it needs to happen in 5A/6A is that right now, Plano (the third largest school in the state) can go Division II in 5A. Plano West, the fourth-largest school in the state, actually did go Division II last year. Meanwhile some schools that are barely 5A go Division I.
I hate the idea of 7A, simply because it's not necessary in the non-football sports and will inevitably lead to a ridiculous amount of travel. Imagine that trip from Corpus to Laredo... on a Tuesday night in January.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:43:02 GMT -6
Yes. I think it's basically inevitable either way, but I like the idea. The only complicating factor for 5A/6A is that the larger school districts (I'm looking at you Cy-Fair) will fight it like crazy because their schools will inevitably wind up in different classes. But the biggest reason it needs to happen in 5A/6A is that right now, Plano (the third largest school in the state) can go Division II in 5A. Plano West, the fourth-largest school in the state, actually did go Division II last year. Meanwhile some schools that are barely 5A go Division I. I hate the idea of 7A, simply because it's not necessary in the non-football sports and will inevitably lead to a ridiculous amount of travel. Imagine that trip from Corpus to Laredo... on a Tuesday night in January. True, I guess they could do different districts like they do in the smaller classifications for the schools that don't play football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:44:40 GMT -6
Yes. I think it's basically inevitable either way, but I like the idea. The only complicating factor for 5A/6A is that the larger school districts (I'm looking at you Cy-Fair) will fight it like crazy because their schools will inevitably wind up in different classes. But the biggest reason it needs to happen in 5A/6A is that right now, Plano (the third largest school in the state) can go Division II in 5A. Plano West, the fourth-largest school in the state, actually did go Division II last year. Meanwhile some schools that are barely 5A go Division I. I hate the idea of 7A, simply because it's not necessary in the non-football sports and will inevitably lead to a ridiculous amount of travel. Imagine that trip from Corpus to Laredo... on a Tuesday night in January. Well, under the current set up, some of the Corpus/Laredo area schools already enjoy that trip on Tuesday nights in January. I think a better solution would be an ounce of common sense at the UIL front office which would introduce economic realities into the equation and them "suggesting" some schools play up or down in order to be within a reasonable distance of each other.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:46:57 GMT -6
Come on STFF. You know Common Sense and UIL don't go together..LOL
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 7:55:26 GMT -6
Yes. I think it's basically inevitable either way, but I like the idea. The only complicating factor for 5A/6A is that the larger school districts (I'm looking at you Cy-Fair) will fight it like crazy because their schools will inevitably wind up in different classes. But the biggest reason it needs to happen in 5A/6A is that right now, Plano (the third largest school in the state) can go Division II in 5A. Plano West, the fourth-largest school in the state, actually did go Division II last year. Meanwhile some schools that are barely 5A go Division I. I hate the idea of 7A, simply because it's not necessary in the non-football sports and will inevitably lead to a ridiculous amount of travel. Imagine that trip from Corpus to Laredo... on a Tuesday night in January. Well, under the current set up, some of the Corpus/Laredo area schools already enjoy that trip on Tuesday nights in January. I think a better solution would be an ounce of common sense at the UIL front office which would introduce economic realities into the equation and them "suggesting" some schools play up or down in order to be within a reasonable distance of each other. IMO, that's patently unfair. Why should the Laredo schools be suggested into opting up? It seems like the Corpus-area schools have more of a problem with it; if they do, why don't they all opt up and play with Carroll and King? Alternatively, would you be okay with Carroll and King dropping down so they can travel less? Or the United ISD schools in Laredo? Really, there should be fewer classifications than there are now in non-football sports. Dallas Kimball can easily compete with Allen in basketball; enrollment isn't really an issue there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 8:17:09 GMT -6
Well, under the current set up, some of the Corpus/Laredo area schools already enjoy that trip on Tuesday nights in January. I think a better solution would be an ounce of common sense at the UIL front office which would introduce economic realities into the equation and them "suggesting" some schools play up or down in order to be within a reasonable distance of each other. IMO, that's patently unfair. Why should the Laredo schools be suggested into opting up? It seems like the Corpus-area schools have more of a problem with it; if they do, why don't they all opt up and play with Carroll and King? Alternatively, would you be okay with Carroll and King dropping down so they can travel less? Or the United ISD schools in Laredo? Really, there should be fewer classifications than there are now in non-football sports. Dallas Kimball can easily compete with Allen in basketball; enrollment isn't really an issue there. That won't be an issue with the 2016 realignment with the new sixth high school coming on line and the plan to drop to 4A numbers at Carrol and King. How long will those numbers stay below 4A with the growth taking place, who knows? I think the better solution would be what you noted with your last paragraph. To an extent, 1A and 2A do this with non football as they share some of the issues with long distances between district mates. It would require the UIL to totally step out and reconstruct the current methods. I just know with your non football sports that require week night travel, the current set up with some of the Corpus and Laredo schools is not good for a variety of reasons. Number one being the safety of the kids. You have oil field traffic meaning a bunch of 18 wheelers on those back roads which are two lane. And the corridors you have to cross that run south to north are often used by illegal alien and drug traffickers. I wish you and the UIL people in Austin could watch a week of news reports down here and you will not get away without seeing at least one or two reports of major accidents involving what I just noted and yes they happen at night and often during the hours for which buses would going through that remote countryside. My fear is one morning, I'm going to turn on the morning news and a school bus from either a Corpus or Laredo school is going to be the lead story and the details are not going to be good. So, yea I don't apologize for my stance here.
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Post by dtrain on Aug 26, 2013 8:21:15 GMT -6
How many big states have two champions in each division like Texas. I know CA and FLA don't, plus they also let private schools compete at full strength.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 8:23:33 GMT -6
How many big states have two champions in each division like Texas. I know CA and FLA don't, plus they also let private schools compete at full strength. California doesn't have state champs??? Don't they just have regional or sectional champs and are done with it?
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 26, 2013 8:28:20 GMT -6
How many big states have two champions in each division like Texas. I know CA and FLA don't, plus they also let private schools compete at full strength. California doesn't have state champs??? Don't they just have regional or sectional champs and are done with it? I think you're right. My wife is from California and I think she said that they do regional champs and that's it... But that could have changed by now
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 8:30:30 GMT -6
How many big states have two champions in each division like Texas. I know CA and FLA don't, plus they also let private schools compete at full strength. Florida has like eight classifications (but in terms of enrollment, their 8A is the rough equivalent of Texas 5A) and as STFF said, California just has sectional titles.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 26, 2013 8:33:19 GMT -6
Instead of doing that div I and II and dragging it out why don't they just go Div 1 - Div 12 and be done with it. No need for the "A" anymore either. When was the last time there was a "B" so that is just a silly holdover from way back.
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 8:45:42 GMT -6
IMO, that's patently unfair. Why should the Laredo schools be suggested into opting up? It seems like the Corpus-area schools have more of a problem with it; if they do, why don't they all opt up and play with Carroll and King? Alternatively, would you be okay with Carroll and King dropping down so they can travel less? Or the United ISD schools in Laredo? Really, there should be fewer classifications than there are now in non-football sports. Dallas Kimball can easily compete with Allen in basketball; enrollment isn't really an issue there. That won't be an issue with the 2016 realignment with the new sixth high school coming on line and the plan to drop to 4A numbers at Carrol and King. How long will those numbers stay below 4A with the growth taking place, who knows? I think the better solution would be what you noted with your last paragraph. To an extent, 1A and 2A do this with non football as they share some of the issues with long distances between district mates. It would require the UIL to totally step out and reconstruct the current methods. I just know with your non football sports that require week night travel, the current set up with some of the Corpus and Laredo schools is not good for a variety of reasons. Number one being the safety of the kids. You have oil field traffic meaning a bunch of 18 wheelers on those back roads which are two lane. And the corridors you have to cross that run south to north are often used by illegal alien and drug traffickers. I wish you and the UIL people in Austin could watch a week of news reports down here and you will not get away without seeing at least one or two reports of major accidents involving what I just noted and yes they happen at night and often during the hours for which buses would going through that remote countryside. My fear is one morning, I'm going to turn on the morning news and a school bus from either a Corpus or Laredo school is going to be the lead story and the details are not going to be good. So, yea I don't apologize for my stance here. Sorry, but that's the case everywhere. Ever drive from Denton to Wichita Falls? You go through some major road construction project on 380 between Denton and Decatur, where the lanes (one in each direction) get very narrow. There's a dangerous curve on the interchange between 380 and 287 in Decatur. Oh yeah, and there's also plenty of 18-wheeler traffic (that's everywhere.) Rider actually had their team bus delayed on the way to one of their playoff games because of an 18-wheeler accident. I kind of like having Rider and Old High in the district, but that's still a two-hour drive each way. So just to play devil's advocate here, why should South Texas get special consideration? If Corpus schools don't want to go to Laredo, why should we have to go to Wichita Falls? Why can't the Wichita Falls schools just get in a district with some of the smaller schools in their area? BTW, I'm fundamentally against the idea of schools opting up for the simple reason that it defeats the purpose of having different classifications.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 26, 2013 8:50:17 GMT -6
Yes. I think it's basically inevitable either way, but I like the idea. The only complicating factor for 5A/6A is that the larger school districts (I'm looking at you Cy-Fair) will fight it like crazy because their schools will inevitably wind up in different classes. But the biggest reason it needs to happen in 5A/6A is that right now, Plano (the third largest school in the state) can go Division II in 5A. Plano West, the fourth-largest school in the state, actually did go Division II last year. Meanwhile some schools that are barely 5A go Division I. I hate the idea of 7A, simply because it's not necessary in the non-football sports and will inevitably lead to a ridiculous amount of travel. Imagine that trip from Corpus to Laredo... on a Tuesday night in January. Well, under the current set up, some of the Corpus/Laredo area schools already enjoy that trip on Tuesday nights in January. I think a better solution would be an ounce of common sense at the UIL front office which would introduce economic realities into the equation and them "suggesting" some schools play up or down in order to be within a reasonable distance of each other. You are right stiffy. We had kids traveling to play CC King & Carroll last year on Tuesday & Thursdays and they had to do the same to SA quite a bit since those two CC schools had to play Steele, EC, Southsan, and Southwest in district play. Just plain crazy for freshman and JV to have to get home at 2-3 am on school nights as well as varsity basketball, v-ball, baseball, soccer, etc!
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