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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 13:39:51 GMT -6
Why am I suddenly reminded of the debate about the state championships at Jerry World from last week? Because you took the side of the UIL and totally discounted the arguments of folks who don't live in the comfy confines of the burbs in the DFW areas with that discussion because hardly any teams from Region IV or "down there" make it to state anyway. Likewise with this debate, you are taking the side of the UIL and failing to at least acknowledge a problem does exist and maybe the UIL should go a different path when aligning districts putting the kids and parents safety first, budgets second and what the UIL perceives as "fair" third or maybe forth on their totem poll. actually, I was noticing the tendency of some in South Texas to think the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around them. You know, since our two-hour trip for a district game on some non-interstate highways isn't even worth mentioning. The thing I've noticed when I did the mock realignment is that no matter what you do, there are always going to be some people who are unhappy with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 14:01:21 GMT -6
Because you took the side of the UIL and totally discounted the arguments of folks who don't live in the comfy confines of the burbs in the DFW areas with that discussion because hardly any teams from Region IV or "down there" make it to state anyway. Likewise with this debate, you are taking the side of the UIL and failing to at least acknowledge a problem does exist and maybe the UIL should go a different path when aligning districts putting the kids and parents safety first, budgets second and what the UIL perceives as "fair" third or maybe forth on their totem poll. actually, I was noticing the tendency of some in South Texas to think the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around them. You know, since our two-hour trip for a district game on some non-interstate highways isn't even worth mentioning. The thing I've noticed when I did the mock realignment is that no matter what you do, there are always going to be some people who are unhappy with it. Umm. How does advocating rotating the pre determined site for the title games between San Antonio, Arlington, and Houston constitute "the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around South Texas. If that is the case, then we would demand the State title games be played in the RGV, Corpus or Kingsville. I think if you threw out the question to folks in the Houston area, they would agree the title game should be rotated. Would you accuse them of wanting the world to evolve around them? No Tom, your problem is you fail to acknowledge the issues being brought up and want to write it off quickly as nothing to see here or just typical complaining from the southern part of the state. I get that some people in this part of the state are quickly to moan and groan about things that are trivial or not cut and dry and simple to fix like school funding for one ( I hate Robin Hood and the rich districts paying for the poor districts bills which subsequently gets debated to who is going to build the biggest scoreboard in high school football H/T Weslaco). But this is district situation is a real concern for some of us when it comes to a child's safety. If you think that should be secondary, I suggest you need to check your priorities, sir.
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 14:56:39 GMT -6
actually, I was noticing the tendency of some in South Texas to think the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around them. You know, since our two-hour trip for a district game on some non-interstate highways isn't even worth mentioning. The thing I've noticed when I did the mock realignment is that no matter what you do, there are always going to be some people who are unhappy with it. Umm. How does advocating rotating the pre determined site for the title games between San Antonio, Arlington, and Houston constitute "the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around South Texas. If that is the case, then we would demand the State title games be played in the RGV, Corpus or Kingsville. I think if you threw out the question to folks in the Houston area, they would agree the title game should be rotated. Would you accuse them of wanting the world to evolve around them? No Tom, your problem is you fail to acknowledge the issues being brought up and want to write it off quickly as nothing to see here or just typical complaining from the southern part of the state. I get that some people in this part of the state are quickly to moan and groan about things that are trivial or not cut and dry and simple to fix like school funding for one ( I hate Robin Hood and the rich districts paying for the poor districts bills which subsequently gets debated to who is going to build the biggest scoreboard in high school football H/T Weslaco). But this is district situation is a real concern for some of us when it comes to a child's safety. If you think that should be secondary, I suggest you need to check your priorities, sir. So, you think I'm failing to acknowledge the issues being brought up? Actually, my response was (paraphrasing) that your situation is not any different from other schools in other parts of the state. The problem with your premise is that unless you have empirical evidence that this highway is that much more dangerous than any other highway that buses full of students travel on every day, then you're basically seeking special treatment. And if the highway really is that much more dangerous, then the UIL is NOT who you should be complaining to. What's more, your initial suggestion was that the Laredo schools should have to suffer through 5A because the Corpus schools don't like the trip, which is patently ridiculous. Really, what you're suggesting isn't that far away from "just let us pick our own district!"
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 26, 2013 15:11:01 GMT -6
Umm. How does advocating rotating the pre determined site for the title games between San Antonio, Arlington, and Houston constitute "the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around South Texas. If that is the case, then we would demand the State title games be played in the RGV, Corpus or Kingsville. I think if you threw out the question to folks in the Houston area, they would agree the title game should be rotated. Would you accuse them of wanting the world to evolve around them? No Tom, your problem is you fail to acknowledge the issues being brought up and want to write it off quickly as nothing to see here or just typical complaining from the southern part of the state. I get that some people in this part of the state are quickly to moan and groan about things that are trivial or not cut and dry and simple to fix like school funding for one ( I hate Robin Hood and the rich districts paying for the poor districts bills which subsequently gets debated to who is going to build the biggest scoreboard in high school football H/T Weslaco). But this is district situation is a real concern for some of us when it comes to a child's safety. If you think that should be secondary, I suggest you need to check your priorities, sir. So, you think I'm failing to acknowledge the issues being brought up? Actually, my response was (paraphrasing) that your situation is not any different from other schools in other parts of the state. The problem with your premise is that unless you have empirical evidence that this highway is that much more dangerous than any other highway that buses full of students travel on every day, then you're basically seeking special treatment. And if the highway really is that much more dangerous, then the UIL is NOT who you should be complaining to. What's more, your initial suggestion was that the Laredo schools should have to suffer through 5A because the Corpus schools don't like the trip, which is patently ridiculous. Really, what you're suggesting isn't that far away from "just let us pick our own district!" Ok Tom let me try to explain that particular road... It is pretty much all desert... The drug trafficking is big through there. People hide in the area and when people have problems they wind up having more problems such as carjacked or death. If there is an accident on it then you are 45 minutes to an hour away from any town and possibly longer to a hospital you can be treated at. There is one checkpoint on the road that does their best to keep things safe but it is highly dangerous... Not to mention the rattlesnakes, actual coyotes, and other predators that live out there... The state is well aware of the issue but refuses to change it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 15:38:30 GMT -6
Umm. How does advocating rotating the pre determined site for the title games between San Antonio, Arlington, and Houston constitute "the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around South Texas. If that is the case, then we would demand the State title games be played in the RGV, Corpus or Kingsville. I think if you threw out the question to folks in the Houston area, they would agree the title game should be rotated. Would you accuse them of wanting the world to evolve around them? No Tom, your problem is you fail to acknowledge the issues being brought up and want to write it off quickly as nothing to see here or just typical complaining from the southern part of the state. I get that some people in this part of the state are quickly to moan and groan about things that are trivial or not cut and dry and simple to fix like school funding for one ( I hate Robin Hood and the rich districts paying for the poor districts bills which subsequently gets debated to who is going to build the biggest scoreboard in high school football H/T Weslaco). But this is district situation is a real concern for some of us when it comes to a child's safety. If you think that should be secondary, I suggest you need to check your priorities, sir. So, you think I'm failing to acknowledge the issues being brought up? Actually, my response was (paraphrasing) that your situation is not any different from other schools in other parts of the state. The problem with your premise is that unless you have empirical evidence that this highway is that much more dangerous than any other highway that buses full of students travel on every day, then you're basically seeking special treatment. And if the highway really is that much more dangerous, then the UIL is NOT who you should be complaining to. What's more, your initial suggestion was that the Laredo schools should have to suffer through 5A because the Corpus schools don't like the trip, which is patently ridiculous. Really, what you're suggesting isn't that far away from "just let us pick our own district!" Warcat 82 pretty much answered the question about the back country. Again, if you had to take those routes at NIGHT and witness first hand what others have seen, you would change your tune very quickly. It is something YOU DO NOT SHARE between Denton and WF or between other long distances. Ten years ago or so, it wouldn't have been such a big deal, Now thanks to the cartels using the routes for illegal drug and human trafficking, it is a very big deal. Add in the oil field traffic which danrut notes often have inexperienced drivers behind the wheel and it's a formula for disaster someday and I don't along with others on here who are concerned about the kids safety DO NOT WANT to be saying "we told you so." Especially if a kid dies or is disabled for life. And I am not saying the Laredo schools nor the Corpus schools should be the final arbitor on who goes where. I am saying the UIL should do that, but using some common sense.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 26, 2013 15:51:39 GMT -6
Umm. How does advocating rotating the pre determined site for the title games between San Antonio, Arlington, and Houston constitute "the world (or at least the state of Texas) should revolve around South Texas. If that is the case, then we would demand the State title games be played in the RGV, Corpus or Kingsville. I think if you threw out the question to folks in the Houston area, they would agree the title game should be rotated. Would you accuse them of wanting the world to evolve around them? No Tom, your problem is you fail to acknowledge the issues being brought up and want to write it off quickly as nothing to see here or just typical complaining from the southern part of the state. I get that some people in this part of the state are quickly to moan and groan about things that are trivial or not cut and dry and simple to fix like school funding for one ( I hate Robin Hood and the rich districts paying for the poor districts bills which subsequently gets debated to who is going to build the biggest scoreboard in high school football H/T Weslaco). But this is district situation is a real concern for some of us when it comes to a child's safety. If you think that should be secondary, I suggest you need to check your priorities, sir. So, you think I'm failing to acknowledge the issues being brought up? Actually, my response was (paraphrasing) that your situation is not any different from other schools in other parts of the state. The problem with your premise is that unless you have empirical evidence that this highway is that much more dangerous than any other highway that buses full of students travel on every day, then you're basically seeking special treatment. And if the highway really is that much more dangerous, then the UIL is NOT who you should be complaining to. What's more, your initial suggestion was that the Laredo schools should have to suffer through 5A because the Corpus schools don't like the trip, which is patently ridiculous. Really, what you're suggesting isn't that far away from "just let us pick our own district!" I grew up as I have posted before in NE Ft Worth burb. I made that trip to WF and Rider you have been talking about on a yellow bus a bunch. Ok? We have that out of the way. Now, while on those trips no state trooper ever stopped me at night and told me I did not belong there at night like they did down here traveling between Rivera and Rio Grande City. Try it like Stiffy told you and you might get a very different perspective.
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Post by Tom on Aug 26, 2013 16:03:15 GMT -6
So, you think I'm failing to acknowledge the issues being brought up? Actually, my response was (paraphrasing) that your situation is not any different from other schools in other parts of the state. The problem with your premise is that unless you have empirical evidence that this highway is that much more dangerous than any other highway that buses full of students travel on every day, then you're basically seeking special treatment. And if the highway really is that much more dangerous, then the UIL is NOT who you should be complaining to. What's more, your initial suggestion was that the Laredo schools should have to suffer through 5A because the Corpus schools don't like the trip, which is patently ridiculous. Really, what you're suggesting isn't that far away from "just let us pick our own district!" I grew up as I have posted before in NE Ft Worth burb. I made that trip to WF and Rider you have been talking about on a yellow bus a bunch. Ok? We have that out of the way. Now, while on those trips no state trooper ever stopped me at night and told me I did not belong there at night like they did down here traveling between Rivera and Rio Grande City. Try it like Stiffy told you and you might get a very different perspective. I Googled it and found a news article... but it sounds as though this isn't limited to that particular road. I drove highway 16 from SA to Zapata back in 2010 and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. "You don't belong here at night" -- sounds very cryptic.
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Post by FB fan on Aug 26, 2013 16:08:26 GMT -6
I grew up as I have posted before in NE Ft Worth burb. I made that trip to WF and Rider you have been talking about on a yellow bus a bunch. Ok? We have that out of the way. Now, while on those trips no state trooper ever stopped me at night and told me I did not belong there at night like they did down here traveling between Rivera and Rio Grande City. Try it like Stiffy told you and you might get a very different perspective. I Googled it and found a news article... but it sounds as though this isn't limited to that particular road. I drove highway 16 from SA to Zapata back in 2010 and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. "You don't belong here at night" -- sounds very cryptic. Cryptic? If that message isn't crystal clear to you as it was to me it might explain the difficulty people are having getting you to understand their points. You don't want to.
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Post by dtrain on Aug 26, 2013 16:11:50 GMT -6
California doesn't have state champs??? Don't they just have regional or sectional champs and are done with it? I think you're right. My wife is from California and I think she said that they do regional champs and that's it... But that could have changed by now WRONG CA has had a state championship for the last 6 years. Taylor Martinez's team, Centenial beat Long Beach Poly if I'm right, but they do now have a state title in at least the top division. Is Texas the only state that awards WATERED down state titles?
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Post by dtrain on Aug 26, 2013 16:17:39 GMT -6
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Post by danrut on Aug 26, 2013 17:53:31 GMT -6
I think you're right. My wife is from California and I think she said that they do regional champs and that's it... But that could have changed by now WRONG CA has had a state championship for the last 6 years. Taylor Martinez's team, Centenial beat Long Beach Poly if I'm right, but they do now have a state title in at least the top division. Is Texas the only state that awards WATERED down state titles? I wouldn't say that Texas' State Championships are "watered down". My cousin, who lives in Florida, had this same discussion a few years back. He told me that he was watching the Texas Championship games on TV and mentioned that we split 5A, 4A, and 3A up to make 2 Champs from each classification. He said the same words. That the Champions are "watered down". So we did some research on a few states and this is what we came up with(I had to redo the research cause my noggin doesn't work anymore). Florida has 448 public high schools and they have 1A up to 7A, but 1A is divided into a 1A(rural small) and a 1B(urban small). So they give out 8 State Championships each year. That's 1 Champion per 56 schools. Alabama has 365 public high schools and they have 6 State Champions. That's 1 for every 58 schools. Okie has 465 public high schools and they have 8 State Champions. That's 1 for every 78 schools. Georgia has 336 public high schools and they have 6 State Champions. That's 1 for every 56 schools. Ohio has 802 public high schools and they have 7 State Champions. That's 1 for every 114 schools. Cali has 1837 public high schools and they have 5 State Champions. That's 1 for every 367 schools. Texas has 1445 public high schools and they have 12 State Champions. That's 1 for every 120 schools. We actually looked at what he determined to be the top 10 High School Football States and Texas gave out the 2nd to the lowest State Championships per number of public high schools. And Cali gives out the fewest, but who the heck wants to do anything like Cali. The state that has a higher debt than the U.S. does. All the public school numbers came from educationbug.org and the champions came from each states high school athletics governing body. Now, who wants to say Texas has "Watered Down" champions?
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Post by danrut on Aug 26, 2013 17:59:48 GMT -6
If we wanted to be "Watered Down" like Florida is, we should give out 25-26 State Championship Trophies in football. I can see it now, 1-A all the way up to 26-A so we can be like Florida and Alabama and have a Champion for every 56-58 schools! Or we could be like the Okies and go with 1-A up to 19-A to be comparable.
That, my friend, is "Watered Down"!
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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 26, 2013 20:13:43 GMT -6
WRONG CA has had a state championship for the last 6 years. Taylor Martinez's team, Centenial beat Long Beach Poly if I'm right, but they do now have a state title in at least the top division. Is Texas the only state that awards WATERED down state titles? I wouldn't say that Texas' State Championships are "watered down". My cousin, who lives in Florida, had this same discussion a few years back. He told me that he was watching the Texas Championship games on TV and mentioned that we split 5A, 4A, and 3A up to make 2 Champs from each classification. He said the same words. That the Champions are "watered down". So we did some research on a few states and this is what we came up with(I had to redo the research cause my noggin doesn't work anymore). Florida has 448 public high schools and they have 1A up to 7A, but 1A is divided into a 1A(rural small) and a 1B(urban small). So they give out 8 State Championships each year. That's 1 Champion per 56 schools. Alabama has 365 public high schools and they have 6 State Champions. That's 1 for every 58 schools. Okie has 465 public high schools and they have 8 State Champions. That's 1 for every 78 schools. Georgia has 336 public high schools and they have 6 State Champions. That's 1 for every 56 schools. Ohio has 802 public high schools and they have 7 State Champions. That's 1 for every 114 schools. Cali has 1837 public high schools and they have 5 State Champions. That's 1 for every 367 schools. Texas has 1445 public high schools and they have 12 State Champions. That's 1 for every 120 schools. We actually looked at what he determined to be the top 10 High School Football States and Texas gave out the 2nd to the lowest State Championships per number of public high schools. And Cali gives out the fewest, but who the heck wants to do anything like Cali. The state that has a higher debt than the U.S. does. All the public school numbers came from educationbug.org and the champions came from each states high school athletics governing body. Now, who wants to say Texas has "Watered Down" champions? California is broken down to North and South. There are four Divisions in each. Division I is the largest. Division IV is the smallest (Enrollment of 1-500). North has Championships for each Division. Likewise for the South. Then there is the Open Division for all of the non-Public schools. All five winners of the North and South meet in the Bowl Champioship for the State Championship of each Division. Similar to Texas as Region I/ II winner plays Region III/ IV winner.
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Post by TWolvesFan on Aug 26, 2013 20:42:40 GMT -6
If we wanted to be "Watered Down" like Florida is, we should give out 25-26 State Championship Trophies in football. I can see it now, 1-A all the way up to 26-A so we can be like Florida and Alabama and have a Champion for every 56-58 schools! Or we could be like the Okies and go with 1-A up to 19-A to be comparable. That, my friend, is "Watered Down"! We're not watered down, however I do believe we are not as fair as it could be. I believe that we should divide up 3a - 5a (soon to be 6a) similar to 1a and 2a have done and what others have said previously. Now Division II is based upon who finishes where within the existing District... and even though I like having a State Championship, Cedar Park should really be considered a DI school whereas Marble Falls should be playing other DII schools not a bunch of DI schools. Districts should be aligned based upon size of schools say 4a DII up to 1499 and 1500+ up to whatever the cutoff is for 5a DII. Same thing holds true for 5a. I know it will be harder to align the districts but it would be much more fair to the kids and schools to based them on enrollments that are not so disparagent.
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Post by danrut on Aug 26, 2013 21:58:59 GMT -6
If we wanted to be "Watered Down" like Florida is, we should give out 25-26 State Championship Trophies in football. I can see it now, 1-A all the way up to 26-A so we can be like Florida and Alabama and have a Champion for every 56-58 schools! Or we could be like the Okies and go with 1-A up to 19-A to be comparable. That, my friend, is "Watered Down"! We're not watered down, however I do believe we are not as fair as it could be. I believe that we should divide up 3a - 5a (soon to be 6a) similar to 1a and 2a have done and what others have said previously. Now Division II is based upon who finishes where within the existing District... and even though I like having a State Championship, Cedar Park should really be considered a DI school whereas Marble Falls should be playing other DII schools not a bunch of DI schools. Districts should be aligned based upon size of schools say 4a DII up to 1499 and 1500+ up to whatever the cutoff is for 5a DII. Same thing holds true for 5a. I know it will be harder to align the districts but it would be much more fair to the kids and schools to based them on enrollments that are not so disparagent. I definitely agree with you. PLC has 1050 kids and if they get to the 3rd or 4th round of playoffs, there is a good chance of playing a school with close to double or more than double their enrollment.
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