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Post by panfan on Dec 12, 2023 18:22:47 GMT -6
Only thing limiting good athletes who want to play at the next level is their desire and willingness to put in the work to play at the the next level. Sure a high powered offense or defense helps, but it's not limiting factor.
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Post by sotex on Dec 12, 2023 21:25:16 GMT -6
So as someone who learned from some of the best slot t minds, and someone who has defended the slot t, I have no problem giving you pros and cons. Pros: In A set (primary set) 8 to 10 plays all look the same. So it's going to cause undisciplined defenses fits all night. If you have a QB that is willing to truly turn his back to the defense like a good slot t offense does, the fakes are harder to see. Boot, waggle, and drop back play action become wide open plays. The 900 series that you will rarely see (90% pass plays) opens the defense up to major plays. What most people see and think of when they see and think of for slot T is about 5% of the actual slot T play book. That's because those coaches know they don't have to use the majority of their playbook to screw with teams. I can guarantee you that those kids know every play in the play book and practice them, but you're not going to see them ran except in extreme emergencies. Cons: A disciplined defense will rattle them. Turnovers will kill them and make them go off script. Patient non aggressive defenses that watch the ball and slow play everything can be a problem. If you tackle everyone that crosses the line of scrimmage thinking they have the ball, they can't throw the ball from A set, thus forcing them to go to the 900 series which they don't want to do. DO NOT PLAY PISS ON PASS defense... it doesn't work... they want you to stack the box, because that's when they get you. Discipline is what beats them. Don't give them angles to block you. Stack your backers so they can't get to them, and so they can slow play and read who actually has the ball. A good nose that can push the center into the backfield can be great! That keeps the quick side pulling guard or tackle from getting across, it also pushes him into the back of the QB which disrupts the fakes and actual hand off, and potentially has him step on the foot of the QB in case it's a boot or a waggle therefore he falls right there or fumbles the ball when he's hit. For that position you want a fire hydrant type kid. Low center of gravity, broad shoulders, with legs and arms the size of an ox that can squat and bench 500-600 pounds and hasn't been able to clap his hands in 6 years... The myth that goes with those offenses is that the QB can't throw or play at the next level, and that they don't have kids that can catch, Yada, Yada, yada,... I can say they use the 1s to run spread plays for the defense at most of these schools and they are fast, can throw, can catch, and are hecka athletic.... but why conform when the machine isn't broken... I myself prefer the slot t over the loosie goosie spread... Great post!. Man I don't even know if we had the 900 series when I played. 400-800 for sure. Most people think that the slot-t is 4-5 basic plays.
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Post by Hounhound on Dec 13, 2023 17:27:05 GMT -6
So as someone who learned from some of the best slot t minds, and someone who has defended the slot t, I have no problem giving you pros and cons. Pros: In A set (primary set) 8 to 10 plays all look the same. So it's going to cause undisciplined defenses fits all night. If you have a QB that is willing to truly turn his back to the defense like a good slot t offense does, the fakes are harder to see. Boot, waggle, and drop back play action become wide open plays. The 900 series that you will rarely see (90% pass plays) opens the defense up to major plays. What most people see and think of when they see and think of for slot T is about 5% of the actual slot T play book. That's because those coaches know they don't have to use the majority of their playbook to screw with teams. I can guarantee you that those kids know every play in the play book and practice them, but you're not going to see them ran except in extreme emergencies. Cons: A disciplined defense will rattle them. Turnovers will kill them and make them go off script. Patient non aggressive defenses that watch the ball and slow play everything can be a problem. If you tackle everyone that crosses the line of scrimmage thinking they have the ball, they can't throw the ball from A set, thus forcing them to go to the 900 series which they don't want to do. DO NOT PLAY PISS ON PASS defense... it doesn't work... they want you to stack the box, because that's when they get you. Discipline is what beats them. Don't give them angles to block you. Stack your backers so they can't get to them, and so they can slow play and read who actually has the ball. A good nose that can push the center into the backfield can be great! That keeps the quick side pulling guard or tackle from getting across, it also pushes him into the back of the QB which disrupts the fakes and actual hand off, and potentially has him step on the foot of the QB in case it's a boot or a waggle therefore he falls right there or fumbles the ball when he's hit. For that position you want a fire hydrant type kid. Low center of gravity, broad shoulders, with legs and arms the size of an ox that can squat and bench 500-600 pounds and hasn't been able to clap his hands in 6 years... The myth that goes with those offenses is that the QB can't throw or play at the next level, and that they don't have kids that can catch, Yada, Yada, yada,... I can say they use the 1s to run spread plays for the defense at most of these schools and they are fast, can throw, can catch, and are hecka athletic.... but why conform when the machine isn't broken... I myself prefer the slot t over the loosie goosie spread... Great post!. Man I don't even know if we had the 900 series when I played. 400-800 for sure. Most people think that the slot-t is 4-5 basic plays. As someone who played fullback in the wing t. I got tackled a lot carrying out a fake going up the middle. But when they left it open and I got to keep the ball it was wide open. Would have scored a lot more had I been a little faster.
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Post by bubbme on Dec 14, 2023 17:04:15 GMT -6
Great post!. Man I don't even know if we had the 900 series when I played. 400-800 for sure. Most people think that the slot-t is 4-5 basic plays. As someone who played fullback in the wing t. I got tackled a lot carrying out a fake going up the middle. But when they left it open and I got to keep the ball it was wide open. Would have scored a lot more had I been a little faster. Lack of speed killed my College and NFL careers too.
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Post by Hounhound on Dec 14, 2023 18:29:01 GMT -6
As someone who played fullback in the wing t. I got tackled a lot carrying out a fake going up the middle. But when they left it open and I got to keep the ball it was wide open. Would have scored a lot more had I been a little faster. Lack of speed killed my College and NFL careers too. I wasn't too slow. 4.6 at 195 pounds. But an extra tenth would have helped. I had no shot at college and won't even try to lie about that.
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Post by bubbme on Dec 14, 2023 18:35:42 GMT -6
Lack of speed killed my College and NFL careers too. I wasn't too slow. 4.6 at 195 pounds. But an extra tenth would have helped. I had no shot at college and won't even try to lie about that. Yours was probably a legit 4.6, not like some of the fabrications I've seen over the years! By the way, that's not slow!
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Post by Hounhound on Dec 14, 2023 18:44:24 GMT -6
I wasn't too slow. 4.6 at 195 pounds. But an extra tenth would have helped. I had no shot at college and won't even try to lie about that. Yours was probably a legit 4.6, not like some of the fabrications I've seen over the years! By the way, that's not slow! Let's just say my problem wasn't on the Field or Court. On the Athletics side I was as competitive as anyone else. Typical teenager not willing to challenge myself in the Classroom. It wasn't grades either just the classes I chose to take.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 15, 2023 7:08:03 GMT -6
Yours was probably a legit 4.6, not like some of the fabrications I've seen over the years! By the way, that's not slow! Let's just say my problem wasn't on the Field or Court. On the Athletics side I was as competitive as anyone else. Typical teenager not willing to challenge myself in the Classroom. It wasn't grades either just the classes I chose to take. ROFLMAO Same here! I got As & Bs and NEVER did a drop of homework. I hated sitting in a damn classroom! lmao And 4.6 is far from slow at 190 lbs, even today! Another problem for us was we tended to hang out on local farms/ranches very late into the evenings and early mornings with a fire going and a ice cold 16 gallon keg way, way too often!
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Post by wfcoyote on Dec 15, 2023 11:22:26 GMT -6
Lack of speed killed my College and NFL careers too. I wasn't too slow. 4.6 at 195 pounds. But an extra tenth would have helped. I had no shot at college and won't even try to lie about that. Houndhound I beg to differ. Eric Von Mitchell was about your size and speed and was at Lexington and his mom got cross with the coach and moved her job as coach to small school on the lake where he graduated. He was the one who caught the winning TD against Refugio when they were ranked #1. He played at Tarleton and had bad coaches and changed to Hardin Simmons and played Linebacker along with Coach Matt Anastacio’s son. I like a LB to weigh about 230 however he was able to help the secondary. He is DC at Snook at present and married with 2 kids Raelle and Elijah. His grand father was Warren Pustejovesky and Carol Hellums formerly of Sinton. Carol’s oldest sister Mildred passed away this morning.
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Post by rohoalum on Dec 15, 2023 22:44:59 GMT -6
So as someone who learned from some of the best slot t minds, and someone who has defended the slot t, I have no problem giving you pros and cons. Pros: In A set (primary set) 8 to 10 plays all look the same. So it's going to cause undisciplined defenses fits all night. If you have a QB that is willing to truly turn his back to the defense like a good slot t offense does, the fakes are harder to see. Boot, waggle, and drop back play action become wide open plays. The 900 series that you will rarely see (90% pass plays) opens the defense up to major plays. What most people see and think of when they see and think of for slot T is about 5% of the actual slot T play book. That's because those coaches know they don't have to use the majority of their playbook to screw with teams. I can guarantee you that those kids know every play in the play book and practice them, but you're not going to see them ran except in extreme emergencies. Cons: A disciplined defense will rattle them. Turnovers will kill them and make them go off script. Patient non aggressive defenses that watch the ball and slow play everything can be a problem. If you tackle everyone that crosses the line of scrimmage thinking they have the ball, they can't throw the ball from A set, thus forcing them to go to the 900 series which they don't want to do. DO NOT PLAY PISS ON PASS defense... it doesn't work... they want you to stack the box, because that's when they get you. Discipline is what beats them. Don't give them angles to block you. Stack your backers so they can't get to them, and so they can slow play and read who actually has the ball. A good nose that can push the center into the backfield can be great! That keeps the quick side pulling guard or tackle from getting across, it also pushes him into the back of the QB which disrupts the fakes and actual hand off, and potentially has him step on the foot of the QB in case it's a boot or a waggle therefore he falls right there or fumbles the ball when he's hit. For that position you want a fire hydrant type kid. Low center of gravity, broad shoulders, with legs and arms the size of an ox that can squat and bench 500-600 pounds and hasn't been able to clap his hands in 6 years... The myth that goes with those offenses is that the QB can't throw or play at the next level, and that they don't have kids that can catch, Yada, Yada, yada,... I can say they use the 1s to run spread plays for the defense at most of these schools and they are fast, can throw, can catch, and are hecka athletic.... but why conform when the machine isn't broken... I myself prefer the slot t over the loosie goosie spread... Best explanation I've seen. I remember at Chilton the last year Lucky Gamble was coaching there were pushes to get away from his tried an true split-back veer to a slot t with our RB depth, quick shifty qb that could sell fakes.
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Post by Hounhound on Dec 17, 2023 7:43:37 GMT -6
Let's just say my problem wasn't on the Field or Court. On the Athletics side I was as competitive as anyone else. Typical teenager not willing to challenge myself in the Classroom. It wasn't grades either just the classes I chose to take. ROFLMAO Same here! I got As & Bs and NEVER did a drop of homework. I hated sitting in a damn classroom! lmao And 4.6 is far from slow at 190 lbs, even today! Another problem for us was we tended to hang out on local farms/ranches very late into the evenings and early mornings with a fire going and a ice cold 16 gallon keg way, way too often! Sounds very familiar. Just change it to by the bay somewhere and a few coolers full of Ice and... Beverages.
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