rgvfb
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Post by rgvfb on Dec 4, 2023 17:31:18 GMT -6
I’m aware they win the coin toss and they are free to choose the facility. But the fan interest in this game means there isn’t a stadium big enough for this game. This is not about the fans. This should be about giving the kids the best possible variables to help them . Part of that is if you win the toss and get to host and or pick a neutral site, you try your damn hardest to get that game as close to you as possible. But you thinking Brownsville should travel five to six hours all the way to Houston is absurd as a neutral site. You do know where Brownsville is on a map? It’s not 10 mins from Corpus for crying outloud. completely agree with you, not playing in the alamodome is the best for the players. I hope the days of rgv teams playing “neutral” site games against San Antonio/austin teams in the San Antonio/austin area are done forever. Glad coaches finally stop caving in to playing in such mediocre stadium for the “ experience” when all it does is give an avoidable advantage to the other teams. I have no doubt that close games rgv teams played in the alamo dome/austin/sa area vs up north wouldve gone differently had they played in true neutral sites/flipped and played at home (pioneer vs lh, steele vs east, vela vs brandies, brownsville hanna vs brandies to name a few recent close games played in San Antonio/austin area as neutral games. Hope these coaches keep on flipping coins from now on. The atmospheres are much better at home . Idc if the fans think the stadiums are too small, these region 4 teams need every advantage their way to beat these bigger faster teams from up north.
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Post by AledoAlumni on Dec 4, 2023 17:57:09 GMT -6
Yall just remember there is plenty of room at AT&T stadium in Arlington!!
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Post by bubbme on Dec 4, 2023 18:38:36 GMT -6
Yall just remember there is plenty of room at AT&T stadium in Arlington!! I think that you would probably know that! Hope to see you there!
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Post by AledoAlumni on Dec 4, 2023 18:43:13 GMT -6
Yall just remember there is plenty of room at AT&T stadium in Arlington!! I think that you would probably know that! Hope to see you there! We call it Bearcat East. But yeah, been there a time or two.
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Post by sotex on Dec 4, 2023 19:49:44 GMT -6
I’m aware they win the coin toss and they are free to choose the facility. But the fan interest in this game means there isn’t a stadium big enough for this game. This is not about the fans. This should be about giving the kids the best possible variables to help them . Part of that is if you win the toss and get to host and or pick a neutral site, you try your damn hardest to get that game as close to you as possible. But you thinking Brownsville should travel five to six hours all the way to Houston is absurd as a neutral site. You do know where Brownsville is on a map? It’s not 10 mins from Corpus for crying outloud. Pico I don't disagree with you at all, but I doubt the kids would care less where the game is played. Our coaches took the team to a game in the Astrodome our Jr year and told us we would be playing there next year. After beating Wheatley in the quarterfinals and knowing we would be facing Houston Memorial in the semi's, we were stoked thinking we would be playing in the Astrodome. Coach won the toss and elected Buc stadium. Not one kid on the team was happy about that. It was cold and raining that night and two early fumbles turned into Memorial scores. We ended up losing that game 22-8. Woulda coulda? Who knows🤷
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 4, 2023 20:27:27 GMT -6
This is not about the fans. This should be about giving the kids the best possible variables to help them . Part of that is if you win the toss and get to host and or pick a neutral site, you try your damn hardest to get that game as close to you as possible. But you thinking Brownsville should travel five to six hours all the way to Houston is absurd as a neutral site. You do know where Brownsville is on a map? It’s not 10 mins from Corpus for crying outloud. Pico I don't disagree with you at all, but I doubt the kids would care less where the game is played. Our coaches took the team to a game in the Astrodome our Jr year and told us we would be playing there next year. After beating Wheatley in the quarterfinals and knowing we would be facing Houston Memorial in the semi's, we were stoked thinking we would be playing in the Astrodome. Coach won the toss and elected Buc stadium. Not one kid on the team was happy about that. It was cold and raining that night and two early fumbles turned into Memorial scores. We ended up losing that game 22-8. Woulda coulda? Who knows🤷 I get it. You and I grew up during a time the Astrodome was the shiny thing everyone wanted to go to. And for us in the RGV during that time, getting to Alamo Stadium was a big deal..... Hard to believe, but true. Now many of the RGV schools have better facilities than we up here in the Coastal Bend and some rival the San Antonio area schools. I don't think the wow factor is there with the Alamodome as it might of had back in the 90's and certainly many of the area high school stadiums up there are on par with what they have at PSJA, McAllen, Mission, Weslaco, to name a few. Reliant in Houston isn't too far behind, but I will admit it's still kind of there at Jerryworld and I went up there myself for the Big 12 Championship this weekend and I was still impressed with the place since my last visit in 2016. But like rgvfb notes, it got tired and old for coaches down there automatically defaulting to playing in San Antonio. It was great making some of those teams even travel down there. I recall a few years ago, Los Fresnos even made Lake Travis travel down there to play them. Did it help? Not really, but at least it was an attempt to get LT out of their element because it is true, the RGV is a unique place and many of the Land Rover/BMW driving soccer moms and their husbands only exposure to the RGV might have been South Padre Island or Matamoros as college students.... LMAO! So fat chance their kids had spent time down there other maybe at the Island or the monte for some hunting! I think this time of year you try to use every tool to try to get an advantage or at least take the opponent out of their comfort zone. Kind of like if I am the Alice coach and I win a toss this time of year, I'm looking for a stadium that still has natural grass and unless a monsoon with historic floods is forecasted, the game is going to be played there. So if Alice had been playing Tyler Chapel Hill this week, I'm asking Texas A&M if I could use their stadium because of the grass.
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Post by sotex on Dec 4, 2023 21:09:51 GMT -6
Pico I don't disagree with you at all, but I doubt the kids would care less where the game is played. Our coaches took the team to a game in the Astrodome our Jr year and told us we would be playing there next year. After beating Wheatley in the quarterfinals and knowing we would be facing Houston Memorial in the semi's, we were stoked thinking we would be playing in the Astrodome. Coach won the toss and elected Buc stadium. Not one kid on the team was happy about that. It was cold and raining that night and two early fumbles turned into Memorial scores. We ended up losing that game 22-8. Woulda coulda? Who knows🤷 I get it. You and I grew up during a time the Astrodome was the shiny thing everyone wanted to go to. And for us in the RGV during that time, getting to Alamo Stadium was a big deal..... Hard to believe, but true. Now many of the RGV schools have better facilities than we up here in the Coastal Bend and some rival the San Antonio area schools. I don't think the wow factor is there with the Alamodome as it might of had back in the 90's and certainly many of the area high school stadiums up there are on par with what they have at PSJA, McAllen, Mission, Weslaco, to name a few. Reliant in Houston isn't too far behind, but I will admit it's still kind of there at Jerryworld and I went up there myself for the Big 12 Championship this weekend and I was still impressed with the place since my last visit in 2016. But like rgvfb notes, it got tired and old for coaches down there automatically defaulting to playing in San Antonio. It was great making some of those teams even travel down there. I recall a few years ago, Los Fresnos even made Lake Travis travel down there to play them. Did it help? Not really, but at least it was an attempt to get LT out of their element because it is true, the RGV is a unique place and many of the Land Rover/BMW driving soccer moms and their husbands only exposure to the RGV might have been South Padre Island or Matamoros as college students.... LMAO! So fat chance their kids had spent time down there other maybe at the Island or the monte for some hunting! I think this time of year you try to use every tool to try to get an advantage or at least take the opponent out of their comfort zone. Kind of like if I am the Alice coach and I win a toss this time of year, I'm looking for a stadium that still has natural grass and unless a monsoon with historic floods is forecasted, the game is going to be played there. So if Alice had been playing Tyler Chapel Hill this week, I'm asking Texas A&M if I could use their stadium because of the grass. For sure, not disagreeing with anything you said. Just saying sometimes the best well laid out plans by the coaches don't always work. Forecasting the weather has come a long way since 79 and it didn't work against Alice's favor that night. Haha was i was it 2012 when Alice won the coin flip against Calallen? Soza made a genius call to have the game played in Beeville. Wilth the Alice and Beeville fans, he knew there would be a big following for Alice.
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 4, 2023 21:50:41 GMT -6
I get it. You and I grew up during a time the Astrodome was the shiny thing everyone wanted to go to. And for us in the RGV during that time, getting to Alamo Stadium was a big deal..... Hard to believe, but true. Now many of the RGV schools have better facilities than we up here in the Coastal Bend and some rival the San Antonio area schools. I don't think the wow factor is there with the Alamodome as it might of had back in the 90's and certainly many of the area high school stadiums up there are on par with what they have at PSJA, McAllen, Mission, Weslaco, to name a few. Reliant in Houston isn't too far behind, but I will admit it's still kind of there at Jerryworld and I went up there myself for the Big 12 Championship this weekend and I was still impressed with the place since my last visit in 2016. But like rgvfb notes, it got tired and old for coaches down there automatically defaulting to playing in San Antonio. It was great making some of those teams even travel down there. I recall a few years ago, Los Fresnos even made Lake Travis travel down there to play them. Did it help? Not really, but at least it was an attempt to get LT out of their element because it is true, the RGV is a unique place and many of the Land Rover/BMW driving soccer moms and their husbands only exposure to the RGV might have been South Padre Island or Matamoros as college students.... LMAO! So fat chance their kids had spent time down there other maybe at the Island or the monte for some hunting! I think this time of year you try to use every tool to try to get an advantage or at least take the opponent out of their comfort zone. Kind of like if I am the Alice coach and I win a toss this time of year, I'm looking for a stadium that still has natural grass and unless a monsoon with historic floods is forecasted, the game is going to be played there. So if Alice had been playing Tyler Chapel Hill this week, I'm asking Texas A&M if I could use their stadium because of the grass. For sure, not disagreeing with anything you said. Just saying sometimes the best well laid out plans by the coaches don't always work. Forecasting the weather has come a long way since 79 and it didn't work against Alice's favor that night. Haha was i was it 2012 when Alice won the coin flip against Calallen? Soza made a genius call to have the game played in Beeville. Wilth the Alice and Beeville fans, he knew there would be a big following for Alice. Don't remind me..... LOL! But we got revenge the following year on a cold night down in Kingsville.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 5, 2023 6:25:28 GMT -6
This is not about the fans. This should be about giving the kids the best possible variables to help them . Part of that is if you win the toss and get to host and or pick a neutral site, you try your damn hardest to get that game as close to you as possible. But you thinking Brownsville should travel five to six hours all the way to Houston is absurd as a neutral site. You do know where Brownsville is on a map? It’s not 10 mins from Corpus for crying outloud. You’re not telling me something I don’t already know. It was more of a hypothetical “should’ve”. I’ve said it before on another thread: Alamodome is probably a terrible venue from a momentum perspective for BVM. There’s a distinct psychological advantage to SV playing in the Alamodome. But unfortunately it’s the only practical venue that could’ve hosted this game from a capacity standpoint. Someone recently said that Javelina Stadium hasn’t hosted games recently. That’s interesting. It makes me wonder why. Either way, that stadium would’ve been inadequate anyway. I guess I’ll never see a RGV team play in the state semifinals in the Alamodome. It was always more of a wishlist to see 20,000-40,000 pack the dome just for the RGV. Alamo Stadium seats 18,500 and would have been the perfect venue because it would have been overfilled and absolutely crazy!!!! We all but filled it in 2015 against Katy and it was fun until our stud QB went down in the early 2nd quarter.........it was ugly after that. lol
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Post by BandidoNB on Dec 5, 2023 7:10:33 GMT -6
You’re not telling me something I don’t already know. It was more of a hypothetical “should’ve”. I’ve said it before on another thread: Alamodome is probably a terrible venue from a momentum perspective for BVM. There’s a distinct psychological advantage to SV playing in the Alamodome. But unfortunately it’s the only practical venue that could’ve hosted this game from a capacity standpoint. Someone recently said that Javelina Stadium hasn’t hosted games recently. That’s interesting. It makes me wonder why. Either way, that stadium would’ve been inadequate anyway. I guess I’ll never see a RGV team play in the state semifinals in the Alamodome. It was always more of a wishlist to see 20,000-40,000 pack the dome just for the RGV. Alamo Stadium seats 18,500 and would have been the perfect venue because it would have been overfilled and absolutely crazy!!!! We all but filled it in 2015 against Katy and it was fun until our stud QB went down in the early 2nd quarter.........it was ugly after that. lol I remember that game. Seeing the Steele QB limp through his plays was a sad way to end the season. Katy was on top of its game at the time.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 5, 2023 7:41:52 GMT -6
This is not about the fans. This should be about giving the kids the best possible variables to help them . Part of that is if you win the toss and get to host and or pick a neutral site, you try your damn hardest to get that game as close to you as possible. But you thinking Brownsville should travel five to six hours all the way to Houston is absurd as a neutral site. You do know where Brownsville is on a map? It’s not 10 mins from Corpus for crying outloud. completely agree with you, not playing in the alamodome is the best for the players. I hope the days of rgv teams playing “neutral” site games against San Antonio/austin teams in the San Antonio/austin area are done forever. Glad coaches finally stop caving in to playing in such mediocre stadium for the “ experience” when all it does is give an avoidable advantage to the other teams. I have no doubt that close games rgv teams played in the alamo dome/austin/sa area vs up north wouldve gone differently had they played in true neutral sites/flipped and played at home (pioneer vs lh, steele vs east, vela vs brandies, brownsville hanna vs brandies to name a few recent close games played in San Antonio/austin area as neutral games. Hope these coaches keep on flipping coins from now on. The atmospheres are much better at home . Idc if the fans think the stadiums are too small, these region 4 teams need every advantage their way to beat these bigger faster teams from up north. Bolded above: I'm guessing you are referring to the 2017 Steele/Weslaco E game at the alamo dome. If so, that game was not near as close as the score was at the end. It was 36-6 at halftime and East is lucky as hell that they recovered that fumble inside their own 10 with less than a minute to play of it would have been 43-6. They could have played that game in East's home stadium and they still aren't going to win it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 5, 2023 7:46:15 GMT -6
Alamo Stadium seats 18,500 and would have been the perfect venue because it would have been overfilled and absolutely crazy!!!! We all but filled it in 2015 against Katy and it was fun until our stud QB went down in the early 2nd quarter.........it was ugly after that. lol I remember that game. Seeing the Steele QB limp through his plays was a sad way to end the season. Katy was on top of its game at the time. Xavier was about 85%, maybe 90% to start that game and we were having a good amount of success moving the ball on that great Katy defense and actually outgained the Tigers in the 1st half. But the minute he went down again after a tackle and re-injured that high ankle sprain it was game over. We had absolutely no offense after that and though our defense fought hard they were simply on the field all night long afterwards and wore out. Not saying we would have beaten the #1 team in the state and in the nation, but it would have been a pretty good game with X at 100%. Dude was good and a game changer. And he got hurt in the 1st quarter of a PO game against Del Rio running the ball for no good reason! We had a stable full of thoroughbreds to run the ball in a game like that and didn't need him running it at all. Hell, we beat a much better Clemens team in the regional finals a couple weeks later with X basically on one leg handing it off and throwing passes and never running it. smdh
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Dec 5, 2023 8:40:14 GMT -6
I heard CCISD was considering seating the band and dance teams in the end zones depending on how brisk Smithson Valley tickets sold.....which I haven't heard.
As someone stated, Alamodome isn't available this week so the only really big stadium that could have been used would be Alamo
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Post by CC_Varmints on Dec 5, 2023 10:22:23 GMT -6
It is about as fair as it gets when it comes to travel for both teams. Just too bad CC doesn't have a stadium that seats more than 11k The RGV I'm betting ceould fill 15k seats themselves for a game as big as this. Man, Alamo Stadium would have been rocking for this game. lol Javelina Stadium down in Kingsville is 15k capacity. For some reason they got out of the playoff business. That would add 30 mins for SV travelers and delete the same for the RGV fans. Javelina stadium had sasfety issues with some of the seating years ago. That is when they no longer accepted High School games there. Did they ever repair the seatinng?
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Dec 5, 2023 10:26:26 GMT -6
Javelina Stadium down in Kingsville is 15k capacity. For some reason they got out of the playoff business. That would add 30 mins for SV travelers and delete the same for the RGV fans. Javelina stadium had sasfety issues with some of the seating years ago. That is when they no longer accepted High School games there. Did they ever repair the seatinng? Yeah no one is playing in Kingsville until they do some upgrades
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