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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 15, 2023 12:37:56 GMT -6
I’m barely getting acclimated to 5A alignment setups and I’m not sure I’m much of a fan of the division split before the playoffs. But I might be an anomaly. What do you guys think? If it was up to you, would you go back to the old format of divisional split at playoff time? 6A still does it like this. But I figure it was worth asking the fans that have lived with this for a while now. The current basketball alignments would essentially tell us how the districts would otherwise look like.
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Post by rattlehound on Nov 15, 2023 13:00:59 GMT -6
In football, take a school with 550 kids and put them in district competition with others with 1300, depth will determine the outcome in all but a select few games. It’s not as pronounced at the 5A level with 1400 vs 2000 enrollment, but with the sheer number of schools in Texas competing in football, there has to be a level playing field. A school Banderas size could get lumped in an 8 team district with over half the teams the size of Boerne, Somerset and Uvalde and get so beat up they’d miss the playoffs altogether.
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Post by rattlehound on Nov 15, 2023 13:08:12 GMT -6
On another note, I think a 7A argument could bet made if the cut off numbers decrease due to all the big schools opening in the metro areas. Charter schools are also a big wildcard with how they affect enrollments. Some places allow home school kids to compete with their local ISD/campus as well if I’m not mistaken. Could that be extended to charter schools and what happens with legislation on school funding? So many unknowns.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 15, 2023 14:17:14 GMT -6
I'm generally an old school guy but I do like the pre-district split even at the 5a level. I think it levels the playing field a bit more and I'm all for that.
And as much as I'm going to really, really miss NB in our district I think they are going to do well in 5a D1. I'm hoping like hell Mangold and Saenz have already hand shook the deal for non-district game in week 1 so that it will for sure happen even if one or the other gets stuck in a 9 or 10 team district!
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 15, 2023 19:41:46 GMT -6
If opt-ups are allowed, it's almost pointless to have the split. I still prefer it.
Competitively, my team has been placed in more favorable districts before the split and largely unfavorable districts after the split. It's bizarre, though, as travel has mostly been decreased for my school with the split.
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 15, 2023 21:25:42 GMT -6
If opt-ups are allowed, it's almost pointless to have the split. I still prefer it. Competitively, my team has been placed in more favorable districts before the split and largely unfavorable districts after the split. It's bizarre, though, as travel has mostly been decreased for my school with the split. The fact that opt-ups are so popular tells me that enrollment disparities aren’t as big an issue as they are made out to be. My hope was that opt ups got so out of hand that we would have to go back to a divisional split at playoff time.
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Post by rtxc1 on Nov 15, 2023 21:32:07 GMT -6
If opt-ups are allowed, it's almost pointless to have the split. I still prefer it. Competitively, my team has been placed in more favorable districts before the split and largely unfavorable districts after the split. It's bizarre, though, as travel has mostly been decreased for my school with the split. The fact that opt-ups are so popular tells me that enrollment disparities aren’t as big an issue as they are made out to be. My hope was that opt ups got so out of hand that we would have to go back to a divisional split at playoff time. They aren't an issue for some districts. Small, single-HS districts have been essentially powerless, and that's who it affects most. Thankfully, opt ups are beginning to die off though.
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Post by BandidoNB on Nov 15, 2023 21:36:37 GMT -6
I'm generally an old school guy but I do like the pre-district split even at the 5a level. I think it levels the playing field a bit more and I'm all for that. And as much as I'm going to really, really miss NB in our district I think they are going to do well in 5a D1. I'm hoping like hell Mangold and Saenz have already hand shook the deal for non-district game in week 1 so that it will for sure happen even if one or the other gets stuck in a 9 or 10 team district! I’m skeptical that Steele would schedule New Braunfels next year. Enrollment will start declining sharply next year. I know that it will have a lesser impact on the upper grades at first, but it will still matter. That doesn’t mean I would mind a Steele or Clemens matchup. Considering the type of season Steele is having right now, Saenz will be more likely to a play up in non-district games rather than play down. Steele should travel to Austin in non district to see what kind of trouble they can stir up there. New Braunfels hasn’t beaten Steele in many years. The Wurst Bowl will slowly fade from the limelight, so if Canyon is not on the schedule I’m ok with that (the Seguin game is more of my thing anyways). And I *really* don’t want NB to play San Marcos in non district either. That recruiting stunt they are pulling is just wrong and I want no part of it. I feel bad for our 27-6A brothers that will have to deal with that soon.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 16, 2023 6:27:25 GMT -6
I'm generally an old school guy but I do like the pre-district split even at the 5a level. I think it levels the playing field a bit more and I'm all for that. And as much as I'm going to really, really miss NB in our district I think they are going to do well in 5a D1. I'm hoping like hell Mangold and Saenz have already hand shook the deal for non-district game in week 1 so that it will for sure happen even if one or the other gets stuck in a 9 or 10 team district! I’m skeptical that Steele would schedule New Braunfels next year. Enrollment will start declining sharply next year. I know that it will have a lesser impact on the upper grades at first, but it will still matter. That doesn’t mean I would mind a Steele or Clemens matchup. Considering the type of season Steele is having right now, Saenz will be more likely to a play up in non-district games rather than play down. Steele should travel to Austin in non district to see what kind of trouble they can stir up there. New Braunfels hasn’t beaten Steele in many years. The Wurst Bowl will slowly fade from the limelight, so if Canyon is not on the schedule I’m ok with that (the Seguin game is more of my thing anyways). And I *really* don’t want NB to play San Marcos in non district either. That recruiting stunt they are pulling is just wrong and I want no part of it. I feel bad for our 27-6A brothers that will have to deal with that soon. I hear ya on the declining enrollment and that will certainly affect the depth at NB. But the bottom line is NB always, ALWAYS scraps Steele tooth and nail and always would I believe. I'd hate to see the game end but you are probably right.
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Post by wade25 on Jan 25, 2024 13:14:56 GMT -6
I’m barely getting acclimated to 5A alignment setups and I’m not sure I’m much of a fan of the division split before the playoffs. But I might be an anomaly. What do you guys think? If it was up to you, would you go back to the old format of divisional split at playoff time? 6A still does it like this. But I figure it was worth asking the fans that have lived with this for a while now. The current basketball alignments would essentially tell us how the districts would otherwise look like. I didn't like this initially due to the travel, but we had no choice. Southwest was no longer a standalone high school. I thought we could have had our schools paired with local schools, but the division break pushed us out to Laredo and Eagle Pass just like we saw when it was only Southwest and we were 6A. However, Rio Grande City was added to our football district in 2020. They've since been replaced with the Laredo ISD schools, but I've seen our schools have both sides of the coin when it comes to this. I liked the old way, but this format has grown on me. Sometimes it can still rear its ugly head. It did benefit both of our schools competitively, though. For a school new to this like New Braunfels will be, my advice is be prepared for anything to happen and brace yourself. I don't think you guys will have to travel too far, and I think you will reap the benefits of it in the long term like we have. Just brace yourself for the unexpected, that's how UIL likes it.
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Post by wade25 on Jan 25, 2024 13:25:46 GMT -6
The fact that opt-ups are so popular tells me that enrollment disparities aren’t as big an issue as they are made out to be. My hope was that opt ups got so out of hand that we would have to go back to a divisional split at playoff time. They aren't an issue for some districts. Small, single-HS districts have been essentially powerless, and that's who it affects most. Thankfully, opt ups are beginning to die off though. They seem to be, except for in our district. Laredo ISD opted up Cigarroa again ( enrollment 1,459 ) so that their schools stay together. Southside ( 1,750 ) had to opt up again even though there's been an increase out there, and South San is only going to stay in our district because West Campus closes at the end of the year. That's 2, would've been 3 , in our district alone.
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Post by BandidoNB on Jan 25, 2024 16:21:30 GMT -6
I’m barely getting acclimated to 5A alignment setups and I’m not sure I’m much of a fan of the division split before the playoffs. But I might be an anomaly. What do you guys think? If it was up to you, would you go back to the old format of divisional split at playoff time? 6A still does it like this. But I figure it was worth asking the fans that have lived with this for a while now. The current basketball alignments would essentially tell us how the districts would otherwise look like. I didn't like this initially due to the travel, but we had no choice. Southwest was no longer a standalone high school. I thought we could have had our schools paired with local schools, but the division break pushed us out to Laredo and Eagle Pass just like we saw when it was only Southwest and we were 6A. However, Rio Grande City was added to our football district in 2020. They've since been replaced with the Laredo ISD schools, but I've seen our schools have both sides of the coin when it comes to this. I liked the old way, but this format has grown on me. Sometimes it can still rear its ugly head. It did benefit both of our schools competitively, though. For a school new to this like New Braunfels will be, my advice is be prepared for anything to happen and brace yourself. I don't think you guys will have to travel too far, and I think you will reap the benefits of it in the long term like we have. Just brace yourself for the unexpected, that's how UIL likes it. I guess we will find out what happens in a week. I’m not even completely confident that NB will see a Region 4 alignment based off of the opt ups. But if Canyon can survive just fine in Region 3, then so will New Braunfels. I’m curious to see where the SW schools land. I think things will be more favorable for them.
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Post by wade25 on Jan 25, 2024 20:15:26 GMT -6
I didn't like this initially due to the travel, but we had no choice. Southwest was no longer a standalone high school. I thought we could have had our schools paired with local schools, but the division break pushed us out to Laredo and Eagle Pass just like we saw when it was only Southwest and we were 6A. However, Rio Grande City was added to our football district in 2020. They've since been replaced with the Laredo ISD schools, but I've seen our schools have both sides of the coin when it comes to this. I liked the old way, but this format has grown on me. Sometimes it can still rear its ugly head. It did benefit both of our schools competitively, though. For a school new to this like New Braunfels will be, my advice is be prepared for anything to happen and brace yourself. I don't think you guys will have to travel too far, and I think you will reap the benefits of it in the long term like we have. Just brace yourself for the unexpected, that's how UIL likes it. I guess we will find out what happens in a week. I’m not even completely confident that NB will see a Region 4 alignment based off of the opt ups. But if Canyon can survive just fine in Region 3, then so will New Braunfels. I’m curious to see where the SW schools land. I think things will be more favorable for them. [br) That district has been Region III for some time. I'll be surprised if it changes. As for our district, it will very likely stay the same except for John Jay replacing Medina Valley.
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Post by bubbme on Jan 26, 2024 10:31:21 GMT -6
I guess we will find out what happens in a week. I’m not even completely confident that NB will see a Region 4 alignment based off of the opt ups. But if Canyon can survive just fine in Region 3, then so will New Braunfels. I’m curious to see where the SW schools land. I think things will be more favorable for them. [br) That district has been Region III for some time. I'll be surprised if it changes. As for our district, it will very likely stay the same except for John Jay replacing Medina Valley. I'm pretty sure that District 12 from the last realignment was formerly a Region 4 district in the past (obviously with a different number). Last time Smithson Valley dropped down (2010-12), they were in Region 4. The question with NB will be how are they aligned - I'm guessing they will trade spots with Canyon, and go in a district with SV, Boerne Champion, etc. I'm also guessing that the district will fall into Region 4.
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Post by wade25 on Jan 26, 2024 13:20:25 GMT -6
[br) That district has been Region III for some time. I'll be surprised if it changes. As for our district, it will very likely stay the same except for John Jay replacing Medina Valley. I'm pretty sure that District 12 from the last realignment was formerly a Region 4 district in the past (obviously with a different number). Last time Smithson Valley dropped down (2010-12), they were in Region 4. The question with NB will be how are they aligned - I'm guessing they will trade spots with Canyon, and go in a district with SV, Boerne Champion, etc. I'm also guessing that the district will fall into Region 4. Correct, but I was referring to past cycles more recently. It's been Region III for two cycles I think. With the opt ups , I can see it moving back to Region IV. Didn't realize that some of these local schools are going to be 5A D1 size this cycle, but I know that there are a couple who still had to opt up, because they are in our district ( 13 ). Ours will become 14 again, and the one you are referring to will become 13 and move to our region. It's going to be a bi district pairing, and you'll probably sweep our district. It already struggles in the playoffs as is. As for your prediction of teams , it sounds pretty spot on. We'll find out Thursday morning !
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