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Post by picodegallo on Aug 5, 2022 8:15:05 GMT -6
Apparently the UIL uses the HONOR syatem when validating enrollment numbers and does no Checking to see if schools are on the up and up when reporting their numbers. I don't think Alto Tried to game the system. Just made an error somewhere and now the Senior and Junior classes will have to pay for it. Feel bad for those kids. The UIL will check the TEA database for major discrepancies etc....schools won't lie there because school funding is based on enrollments....a lot of schools do end up making changes between snapshot day and realignment because the UIL catches it..there was a six man school that tried gaming the system but the UIL caught it and it got updated and they moved up...wanna say it was Water Valley...so it happens more than we know because it never make it out...this time the UIL didnt catch it and it got brought to light after the fact...I find it hard to believe a school the size of Alto that someone didnt know something was wonky with those 3 kids who were in class and in off-season but not enrolled until the first Mon of November Which begs the question.... Why doesn't the UIL just use the TEA database and do away with snapshot? You are correct they will get a more accurate number because of the funding angle. There are some potentially serious consequences if they fudge those numbers and it's found out to be deliberate or a trend.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Aug 5, 2022 11:19:36 GMT -6
The UIL will check the TEA database for major discrepancies etc....schools won't lie there because school funding is based on enrollments....a lot of schools do end up making changes between snapshot day and realignment because the UIL catches it..there was a six man school that tried gaming the system but the UIL caught it and it got updated and they moved up...wanna say it was Water Valley...so it happens more than we know because it never make it out...this time the UIL didnt catch it and it got brought to light after the fact...I find it hard to believe a school the size of Alto that someone didnt know something was wonky with those 3 kids who were in class and in off-season but not enrolled until the first Mon of November Which begs the question.... Why doesn't the UIL just use the TEA database and do away with snapshot? You are correct they will get a more accurate number because of the funding angle. There are some potentially serious consequences if they fudge those numbers and it's found out to be deliberate or a trend. Thats a good question...I'll have to ask that at coaching school next year
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 5, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -6
The UIL will check the TEA database for major discrepancies etc....schools won't lie there because school funding is based on enrollments....a lot of schools do end up making changes between snapshot day and realignment because the UIL catches it..there was a six man school that tried gaming the system but the UIL caught it and it got updated and they moved up...wanna say it was Water Valley...so it happens more than we know because it never make it out...this time the UIL didnt catch it and it got brought to light after the fact...I find it hard to believe a school the size of Alto that someone didnt know something was wonky with those 3 kids who were in class and in off-season but not enrolled until the first Mon of November Which begs the question.... Why doesn't the UIL just use the TEA database and do away with snapshot? You are correct they will get a more accurate number because of the funding angle. There are some potentially serious consequences if they fudge those numbers and it's found out to be deliberate or a trend. Great question!!! Work smarter not harder
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 6, 2022 17:55:09 GMT -6
What's even more dumb with this situation is they did report the kids, just 2 weeks later at the beginning of the month. Heck that could have just been the time it took to administratively put the kids in their system fully...
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Post by arges on Aug 10, 2022 12:42:57 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 11, 2022 9:13:44 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing. If you are talking about the realignment before this one they turned in 2027 which was below the 6a cutoff. I'm sure they did exceed that number in the two years of that alignment but I doubt it was anything like Paetow with over 3k kids last year.
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Post by picodegallo on Aug 11, 2022 10:27:12 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing. I think we will always have scenarios where the number might borderline either side of a cutoff due to growth patterns or boundaries being adjusted and that's ok if it's around 100 to 200, IMO . When you start getting over 500, that's a problem. Say an ISD is opening up a new school today they better darn well know how that's going to effect other schools within their ISD if anything for budget and staffing. In the high growth areas they better have their ears to the ground in consistent engagement with the developers. The developers who are putting in a lot of the housing on HWY 46 from Boerne to New Braunfels very well know what the demographics are coming into their developments. One we are looking at in Boerne donated land to the Boerne ISD for which they built an elementary school within the confines of the development. It is also zoned in the Boerne High attendance zone, so that means assuming the elementary school continues to draw and they develop the entire 1750 acres with housing through 2027, Boerne High will have a significant influx to plan for which they should be doing today. I have hard time believing Katy ISD thought Paetow would remain at 5A D1 numbers going into it's third year as a school and this is why the UIL needs to really scrutinize new schools or schools who are having enrollment shifts due to boundary changes.
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Post by Hounhound on Aug 11, 2022 10:31:58 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing. If you are talking about the realignment before this one they turned in 2027 which was below the 6a cutoff. I'm sure they did exceed that number in the two years of that alignment but I doubt it was anything like Paetow with over 3k kids last year. Didn't Comal just open another new school? If not, Canyon should be 6A IMO.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 11, 2022 12:01:16 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing. I think we will always have scenarios where the number might borderline either side of a cutoff due to growth patterns or boundaries being adjusted and that's ok if it's around 100 to 200, IMO . When you start getting over 500, that's a problem. Say an ISD is opening up a new school today they better darn well know how that's going to effect other schools within their ISD if anything for budget and staffing. In the high growth areas they better have their ears to the ground in consistent engagement with the developers. The developers who are putting in a lot of the housing on HWY 46 from Boerne to New Braunfels very well know what the demographics are coming into their developments. One we are looking at in Boerne donated land to the Boerne ISD for which they built an elementary school within the confines of the development. It is also zoned in the Boerne High attendance zone, so that means assuming the elementary school continues to draw and they develop the entire 1750 acres with housing through 2027, Boerne High will have a significant influx to plan for which they should be doing today. I have hard time believing Katy ISD thought Paetow would remain at 5A D1 numbers going into it's third year as a school and this is why the UIL needs to really scrutinize new schools or schools who are having enrollment shifts due to boundary changes. Exactly right Pico. And I think CISD has done a pretty good job of managing the extreme growth they've had and continue to have. Opening 2 new high schools in a 2 year span is pretty crazy to say the least. Not even Katy has done that nor has North Side ISD which continues to grow by 4%-5% each year which equates to between 4k & 5k new kids every year! In comparison, Comal ISD is currently growing by about 1k kids per year. So, there is no doubt that CISD's other 3 high schools had to have been busting at the seams before the two new ones just opened up.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 11, 2022 12:13:06 GMT -6
If you are talking about the realignment before this one they turned in 2027 which was below the 6a cutoff. I'm sure they did exceed that number in the two years of that alignment but I doubt it was anything like Paetow with over 3k kids last year. Didn't Comal just open another new school? If not, Canyon should be 6A IMO. 2 in the last 2 years. The new one in Garden Ridge (Davenport HS) opened I believe in the fall of 2020 and actually took a lot of that area's kids from Canyon HS. They played a full varsity schedule last season but no district games. This year they will be in 4a D1 District 13 with the Hill Country Schools. Pieper HS is the newest and located up on 281 north. It opened last fall and didn't play a full varsity schedule. The will be 5a D2 district 13 with Tivy, LH, Bastrop, etc. these next 2 seasons.
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Post by BandidoNB on Aug 11, 2022 12:53:42 GMT -6
What about Comal Canyon. Played two full seasons with 6A numbers. Even made the playoffs one years with a share of the district title. They will continue with 5A another two years with probable 6A numbers as fast as Comal ISD and New Braunfels are growing. You mean New Braunfels Canyon? Yea they had about 2,350 raw numbers on snapshot day. I’m not sure how they managed to stay 5A. But then again, snapshot day included the final senior class that was grandfathered before the opening of San Antonio Davenport, which drew exclusively from Canyon. Why Comal ISD built a high school in San Antonio only to zone in students mostly from New Braunfels is a whole other conversation. So Comal ISD turned in an adjusted number of just over 2,000 once that class graduated this past May.
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Post by picodegallo on Aug 11, 2022 13:43:03 GMT -6
I think we will always have scenarios where the number might borderline either side of a cutoff due to growth patterns or boundaries being adjusted and that's ok if it's around 100 to 200, IMO . When you start getting over 500, that's a problem. Say an ISD is opening up a new school today they better darn well know how that's going to effect other schools within their ISD if anything for budget and staffing. In the high growth areas they better have their ears to the ground in consistent engagement with the developers. The developers who are putting in a lot of the housing on HWY 46 from Boerne to New Braunfels very well know what the demographics are coming into their developments. One we are looking at in Boerne donated land to the Boerne ISD for which they built an elementary school within the confines of the development. It is also zoned in the Boerne High attendance zone, so that means assuming the elementary school continues to draw and they develop the entire 1750 acres with housing through 2027, Boerne High will have a significant influx to plan for which they should be doing today. I have hard time believing Katy ISD thought Paetow would remain at 5A D1 numbers going into it's third year as a school and this is why the UIL needs to really scrutinize new schools or schools who are having enrollment shifts due to boundary changes. Exactly right Pico. And I think CISD has done a pretty good job of managing the extreme growth they've had and continue to have. Opening 2 new high schools in a 2 year span is pretty crazy to say the least. Not even Katy has done that nor has North Side ISD which continues to grow by 4%-5% each year which equates to between 4k & 5k new kids every year! In comparison, Comal ISD is currently growing by about 1k kids per year. So, there is no doubt that CISD's other 3 high schools had to have been busting at the seams before the two new ones just opened up. I think I read where the CISD's master plan has another 5-7 high schools planned. Probably the next one is going to be west of Bulverde on HWY46 I'd imagine. I'm surprised though Canyon Lake remained 4A this time around, but probably will be 5A next time because a lot of stuff is now happening around the Lake now. Boerne High will certainly be 5A next time
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