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Post by Clemensbuff on May 2, 2022 6:30:45 GMT -6
How is that cherry picking? He just gave you the stats over the last 5 years and those are facts. It's up to you now to provide the facts to disprove it. In your earlier post you said Bama carried the SEC. In the last 5 years the SEC has won 4 of the 5 national titles with 3 different teams and that wasn't done with the ESPN conspiracy factor you claim. They did it in the playoff system. Disprove his point with facts instead of your opinions. I'll wait. I proved my point. Those teams also had great OFFENSES. That's why only focusing on the D numbers is cherry picking. I also made the point about the different SEC teams winning a title. They have their couple of good years then go back to garbage but because they had a couple of good years you guys get to name drop them like if they're Alabama consistent. They're not. Look at LSU already fired the coach from the title winning team 2 years ago. Same with Florida and Auburn. Like I said, these teams other than Bama have the couple of good years then underachieve the rest of the time. Blame eSECpn for preseason overrating most of your teams as to why they all end up underachieving. My espn conspiracy theory isn't a theory. Does espn kiss sec azz 24/7 or not? Yes. Does that not have an impact on where high school kids are gonna want to play? It helps the recruiting whether you sec people want to admit it or not. High school kids want to go where they know eSECpn is gonna have them on tv all the time. Proved your point? lmao You are absolutely delusional if you believe that. You haven't proven a damn thing to anyone. You spout of with ABSOLUTELY nothing to back up what you say. And maybe those teams fired their coaches because they expect more than a 3-6 conference record in a 4th rated conference??? Ever thought of that? But I know, you guys got the next Nick Saban over there now on the 40 acres. I mean hell, he was GREAT at this first 2 head coaching jobs........how could he not have UT back in the National title hunt in the next 2 or 3 years. Well, maybe at least back to beating up KU again first.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 2, 2022 6:34:20 GMT -6
People gravitate to whoever they are EXPOSED to. Dallas has been jack chit for over 20 years and they're still the most watched team because they are the focus of every show. Has nothing to do with gravitating to winners. If espn talked about Colorado State 24/7 you don't think they're ratings and recruiting would go up?. Pretend I'm not talking about the sec. Look at baseball. ESPN acts like the Yankees and Red Sox are the only 2 teams in the entire MLB. Don't you think if they exposed other teams those teams would gain in popularity?. Ah so you're saying people are dumb and can't think for themselves. Fact: Dallas is the #1 sports franchise and it ain't because of ESPN. Doesn't really matter what they did in the last 20 years because people either love them or hate them. If ESPN doesn't talk about them people are gonna stop watching. You're talking like ESPN is responsible for the SEC's success, Cowboys etc. Lmao. There is no MLB without the Yankees or Redsox. Dallas, the Yankees, Redsox ect were successful franchises long before ESPN came along. Your argument holds no water. Ding ding ding ding We have a winner here. You are dead right sotex.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 17:58:31 GMT -6
SEC is 4 good programs and 10 mediocre. This is facts regardless of how much you believe the eSECpn hype. And I'll still be preaching this when my Longhorns are dominating the SEC in a few years. Your conference is overrated period.
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Post by sotex on May 2, 2022 20:36:50 GMT -6
SEC is 4 good programs and 10 mediocre. This is facts regardless of how much you believe the eSECpn hype. And I'll still be preaching this when my Longhorns are dominating the SEC in a few years. Your conference is overrated period. Lol the Longhorns aren't even a factor in the Big 12. 4 dominant teams in a conference is pretty good imo. Name us 4 good programs in the Big 12.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 3, 2022 6:38:39 GMT -6
SEC is 4 good programs and 10 mediocre. This is facts regardless of how much you believe the eSECpn hype. And I'll still be preaching this when my Longhorns are dominating the SEC in a few years. Your conference is overrated period. Lol the Longhorns aren't even a factor in the Big 12. 4 dominant teams in a conference is pretty good imo. Name us 4 good programs in the Big 12.There are ABSOLUTELY 0 if you use Chino's criteria. NONE
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 18:04:49 GMT -6
The Big XII is not the conference hyped up by eSECpn. I don't have to name teams. Your conference is the one talked about like every team all the way down to Vanderbilt are as good as Bama. In fairness eSECpn also overrates the CHIT out of the Big X. Probably even more than the SEC. Overrate it more but don't suck them off more than they do the sec.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 4, 2022 5:55:06 GMT -6
The Big XII is not the conference hyped up by eSECpn. I don't have to name teams. Your conference is the one talked about like every team all the way down to Vanderbilt are as good as Bama. In fairness eSECpn also overrates the CHIT out of the Big X. Probably even more than the SEC. Overrate it more but don't suck them off more than they do the sec. No, I don't see them doing what you are saying at all. They simply show more love towards the SEC for this reason: BCS Titles: SEC 14 (58%) ACC 5 (21%) Big10 2 (8%) Big12 2 (8%) Pack12 1 (4%) Numbers don't lie no matter how you want to slice them up or how bad you want to call it cherry picking. SEC is the DOMINANT football conference right now in America and IT IS NOT CLOSE.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 12:59:04 GMT -6
The Big XII is not the conference hyped up by eSECpn. I don't have to name teams. Your conference is the one talked about like every team all the way down to Vanderbilt are as good as Bama. In fairness eSECpn also overrates the CHIT out of the Big X. Probably even more than the SEC. Overrate it more but don't suck them off more than they do the sec. No, I don't see them doing what you are saying at all. They simply show more love towards the SEC for this reason: BCS Titles: SEC 14 (58%) ACC 5 (21%) Big10 2 (8%) Big12 2 (8%) Pack12 1 (4%) Numbers don't lie no matter how you want to slice them up or how bad you want to call it cherry picking. SEC is the DOMINANT football conference right now in America and IT IS NOT CLOSE. You still don't get it. A BCS title game is 1 game a year. Wtf does that have to do with them having their azz kissed 24/7 by eSECpn?.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 13:00:47 GMT -6
But my point is made by you saying you don't see them doing that at all. Lmfao. Cmon man. Stevie Wonder sees it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 4, 2022 14:37:23 GMT -6
But my point is made by you saying you don't see them doing that at all. Lmfao. Cmon man. Stevie Wonder sees it. No, my point is why in the hell shouldn't they be getting MORE attention than any other conference out there when they are HANDS DOWN THE BEST. You are the one that lets hate blind you completely. So, in your eyes an average 5a team should be getting as much media attention as Cedar Park, College Station, or even Aledo? Sorry, but in this world we live in the best get more love than the average do and that is a fact so either live with it or keep on belly aching like a child....OR GET BETTER and then the attention comes your way. Pretty simple actually! Or, how about this scenario. You and I have the exact same job with the same company. You consistently out perform me and make the company more money than I do. Should be both still make the same pay?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 16:06:37 GMT -6
But my point is made by you saying you don't see them doing that at all. Lmfao. Cmon man. Stevie Wonder sees it. No, my point is why in the hell shouldn't they be getting MORE attention than any other conference out there when they are HANDS DOWN THE BEST. You are the one that lets hate blind you completely. So, in your eyes an average 5a team should be getting as much media attention as Cedar Park, College Station, or even Aledo? Sorry, but in this world we live in the best get more love than the average do and that is a fact so either live with it or keep on belly aching like a child....OR GET BETTER and then the attention comes your way. Pretty simple actually! Or, how about this scenario. You and I have the exact same job with the same company. You consistently out perform me and make the company more money than I do. Should be both still make the same pay? Does espn have or not have a MULTI YEAR MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT with the sec? Stop acting like you don't know what's going on.
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Post by flowtowntigers on May 5, 2022 5:20:29 GMT -6
No, my point is why in the hell shouldn't they be getting MORE attention than any other conference out there when they are HANDS DOWN THE BEST. You are the one that lets hate blind you completely. So, in your eyes an average 5a team should be getting as much media attention as Cedar Park, College Station, or even Aledo? Sorry, but in this world we live in the best get more love than the average do and that is a fact so either live with it or keep on belly aching like a child....OR GET BETTER and then the attention comes your way. Pretty simple actually! Or, how about this scenario. You and I have the exact same job with the same company. You consistently out perform me and make the company more money than I do. Should be both still make the same pay? Does espn have or not have a MULTI YEAR MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT with the sec? Stop acting like you don't know what's going on. Every Conference has a multi-year deal with ESPN. More people are interested in LSU vs Bama, Georgia vs Florida, and even Ole Miss vs Miss St than Kansas vs Tech or Okie St vs Iowa St. The only big 12 game that draws big TV numbers is the Red river game. The PAC has a better TV deal than the Big 12-2 which is why OU and UT are moving to the SEC. Pac-12 A 12-year, $3 billion contract with Fox and ESPN that pays each school about $21 million annually expires in the summer of 2024. SEC ESPN will be the exclusive home of SEC football and men’s basketball starting in 2024. The 10-year contract reportedly will be worth more than $300 million annually for the league; that is on top of the current deal with ESPN (that one also ends in 2034) that includes the televising of certain football and basketball games and the SEC Network. Consider that the current deal with CBS is worth $55 million a year. And consider that SEC expansion almost certainly will lead to a re-opening of negotiations. (Under that new ESPN deal, the 14 member schools would’ve expected to receive about $40 million a year solely from the league’s TV deal. In the 2018-19 fiscal year, each SEC school received about $44 million total from the SEC’s entire revenue distribution system.) Big 12 The league is in the midst of a 13-year deal with ESPN and Fox that ends in 2025, and reports earlier this year said the networks were not interested in early renegotiations. That is one of the reasons Oklahoma and Texas are leaving the league. The current deal pays the 10-school league about $200 million annually. Big Ten The league is in the middle of a six-year, $2.64 billion deal with Fox and ESPN that expires in 2023 and currently makes it the lead dog in annual TV revenue. The league gets about $440 million a year in TV money (including from the Fox-run Big Ten Network), meaning each of the 14 schools receives about $31.4 million. With CBS losing its SEC deal, might that network want a piece of Big Ten football? Negotiations for the league’s next TV contract will be mighty interesting. ACC The league’s 20-year top-tier deal with ESPN runs through 2036. It pays about $240 million annually, meaning each of the 14 schools gets about $17 million. www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 5, 2022 6:31:40 GMT -6
Does espn have or not have a MULTI YEAR MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT with the sec? Stop acting like you don't know what's going on. Every Conference has a multi-year deal with ESPN. More people are interested in LSU vs Bama, Georgia vs Florida, and even Ole Miss vs Miss St than Kansas vs Tech or Okie St vs Iowa St. The only big 12 game that draws big TV numbers is the Red river game. The PAC has a better TV deal than the Big 12-2 which is why OU and UT are moving to the SEC. Pac-12 A 12-year, $3 billion contract with Fox and ESPN that pays each school about $21 million annually expires in the summer of 2024. SEC ESPN will be the exclusive home of SEC football and men’s basketball starting in 2024. The 10-year contract reportedly will be worth more than $300 million annually for the league; that is on top of the current deal with ESPN (that one also ends in 2034) that includes the televising of certain football and basketball games and the SEC Network. Consider that the current deal with CBS is worth $55 million a year. And consider that SEC expansion almost certainly will lead to a re-opening of negotiations. (Under that new ESPN deal, the 14 member schools would’ve expected to receive about $40 million a year solely from the league’s TV deal. In the 2018-19 fiscal year, each SEC school received about $44 million total from the SEC’s entire revenue distribution system.) Big 12 The league is in the midst of a 13-year deal with ESPN and Fox that ends in 2025, and reports earlier this year said the networks were not interested in early renegotiations. That is one of the reasons Oklahoma and Texas are leaving the league. The current deal pays the 10-school league about $200 million annually. Big Ten The league is in the middle of a six-year, $2.64 billion deal with Fox and ESPN that expires in 2023 and currently makes it the lead dog in annual TV revenue. The league gets about $440 million a year in TV money (including from the Fox-run Big Ten Network), meaning each of the 14 schools receives about $31.4 million. With CBS losing its SEC deal, might that network want a piece of Big Ten football? Negotiations for the league’s next TV contract will be mighty interesting. ACC The league’s 20-year top-tier deal with ESPN runs through 2036. It pays about $240 million annually, meaning each of the 14 schools gets about $17 million. www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/Boom Yup but he will say you cherry picked this somewhere. Notice how he completely disregarded my last post on why the SEC gets more love right now in football season. I actually believe Chino gets it. The problem is his hate of the SEC and their dominance over the rest of the country won't allow him to admit it. It's called business and it really is pretty damn simple. Those that make the company more consistently EARN MORE
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Post by flowtowntigers on May 5, 2022 6:41:51 GMT -6
Every Conference has a multi-year deal with ESPN. More people are interested in LSU vs Bama, Georgia vs Florida, and even Ole Miss vs Miss St than Kansas vs Tech or Okie St vs Iowa St. The only big 12 game that draws big TV numbers is the Red river game. The PAC has a better TV deal than the Big 12-2 which is why OU and UT are moving to the SEC. Pac-12 A 12-year, $3 billion contract with Fox and ESPN that pays each school about $21 million annually expires in the summer of 2024. SEC ESPN will be the exclusive home of SEC football and men’s basketball starting in 2024. The 10-year contract reportedly will be worth more than $300 million annually for the league; that is on top of the current deal with ESPN (that one also ends in 2034) that includes the televising of certain football and basketball games and the SEC Network. Consider that the current deal with CBS is worth $55 million a year. And consider that SEC expansion almost certainly will lead to a re-opening of negotiations. (Under that new ESPN deal, the 14 member schools would’ve expected to receive about $40 million a year solely from the league’s TV deal. In the 2018-19 fiscal year, each SEC school received about $44 million total from the SEC’s entire revenue distribution system.) Big 12 The league is in the midst of a 13-year deal with ESPN and Fox that ends in 2025, and reports earlier this year said the networks were not interested in early renegotiations. That is one of the reasons Oklahoma and Texas are leaving the league. The current deal pays the 10-school league about $200 million annually. Big Ten The league is in the middle of a six-year, $2.64 billion deal with Fox and ESPN that expires in 2023 and currently makes it the lead dog in annual TV revenue. The league gets about $440 million a year in TV money (including from the Fox-run Big Ten Network), meaning each of the 14 schools receives about $31.4 million. With CBS losing its SEC deal, might that network want a piece of Big Ten football? Negotiations for the league’s next TV contract will be mighty interesting. ACC The league’s 20-year top-tier deal with ESPN runs through 2036. It pays about $240 million annually, meaning each of the 14 schools gets about $17 million. www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-deals-current-status-college-football/Boom Yup but he will say you cherry picked this somewhere. Notice how he completely disregarded my last post on why the SEC gets more love right now in football season. I actually believe Chino gets it. The problem is his hate of the SEC and their dominance over the rest of the country won't allow him to admit it. It's called business and it really is pretty damn simple. Those that make the company more consistently EARN MORE I was surprised to learn the ACC had such a poor deal with ESPN compared to the others, maybe it was just poor timing when they did their deal. But 20 years seems like a poor choice if they did not have opt-outs or renegotiation clauses. I guess that's why they were the last to get a conference network.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 5, 2022 8:33:07 GMT -6
I was surprised to learn the ACC had such a poor deal with ESPN compared to the others, maybe it was just poor timing when they did their deal. But 20 years seems like a poor choice if they did not have opt-outs or renegotiation clauses. I guess that's why they were the last to get a conference network. Agree Whoever made that deal on the ACC's part should have been terminated immediately!! May have had their hands in the cookie jar from the other side on that one!
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