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Post by FB fan on Jun 15, 2016 17:07:40 GMT -6
Jesuit Dallas won the 6A state championship in baseball. They brag that their students come from over 100 zip codes. The admit they give scholarships but deny they are for athletics claiming they are for need ........right. The UIL has sold the public schools down the river. This will spread to all sports Only an idiot does not know how this turns out. You only have to look at the many other states that have made this horrible move. These private schools recruit and do not have to comply with the rules our schools do. Damn you UIL.
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Post by warrior1520 on Jun 16, 2016 5:55:01 GMT -6
Their lefty Kyle Muller just signed for 2.5m with the Braves. He was the 44th overall pick but got the money equivalent to the 17th overall pick.
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Post by hornet1 on Jun 30, 2016 22:26:58 GMT -6
Totally agree. This is so unfair to public school athletes that have worked hard and dreamed of a deep play off run. Is there a way to start a protest? Is this a UIL issue or a state legislature issue?
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Post by Tom on Jul 1, 2016 0:31:29 GMT -6
Totally agree. This is so unfair to public school athletes that have worked hard and dreamed of a deep play off run. Is there a way to start a protest? Is this a UIL issue or a state legislature issue? It's both, but let's be clear about one thing: you are not winning that fight. The backstory is that Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit were both members of the TCIL, which folded in 2000, and then TAPPS refused them membership because at the time they were by far the largest private schools in the state and the smaller private schools in TAPPS refused to compete with them. So they sued the UIL and the UIL settled not so much because they particularly wanted to allow them in and more because they were concerned about the possibility of losing a lawsuit and then having to allow in every private school that wanted in. The rules for private schools seeking to join UIL are narrowly tailored such that it was specifically to allow in those two and keep out everyone else. They're required to compete in 6A regardless of their enrollment and if I'm not mistaken, the rules only allow kids who live in the "assigned" attendance zone (I believe it's Dallas ISD for Dallas Jesuit and Alief ISD -- though it might be Houston ISD -- for Strake Jesuit) to compete in athletics. If anything the UIL subjects them to more rules than public schools. Maybe it's because I grew up in a state where public schools and private schools competed in the same organization, but I don't see what the big deal is with this. We wanted nothing more than to kick Christian Brothers' ass.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 1, 2016 7:43:42 GMT -6
Totally agree. This is so unfair to public school athletes that have worked hard and dreamed of a deep play off run. Is there a way to start a protest? Is this a UIL issue or a state legislature issue? It's both, but let's be clear about one thing: you are not winning that fight. The backstory is that Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit were both members of the TCIL, which folded in 2000, and then TAPPS refused them membership because at the time they were by far the largest private schools in the state and the smaller private schools in TAPPS refused to compete with them. So they sued the UIL and the UIL settled not so much because they particularly wanted to allow them in and more because they were concerned about the possibility of losing a lawsuit and then having to allow in every private school that wanted in. The rules for private schools seeking to join UIL are narrowly tailored such that it was specifically to allow in those two and keep out everyone else. They're required to compete in 6A regardless of their enrollment and if I'm not mistaken, the rules only allow kids who live in the "assigned" attendance zone (I believe it's Dallas ISD for Dallas Jesuit and Alief ISD -- though it might be Houston ISD -- for Strake Jesuit) to compete in athletics. If anything the UIL subjects them to more rules than public schools. Maybe it's because I grew up in a state where public schools and private schools competed in the same organization, but I don't see what the big deal is with this. We wanted nothing more than to kick Christian Brothers' ass. No way to win anything believing you can't win. If a lawsuit did this, another can undo it. Limiting their range to all of DISD is no limit. Completely unfair. Like I said their website brags students from 100+ zip codes.
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Post by Tom on Jul 1, 2016 10:34:44 GMT -6
It's both, but let's be clear about one thing: you are not winning that fight. The backstory is that Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit were both members of the TCIL, which folded in 2000, and then TAPPS refused them membership because at the time they were by far the largest private schools in the state and the smaller private schools in TAPPS refused to compete with them. So they sued the UIL and the UIL settled not so much because they particularly wanted to allow them in and more because they were concerned about the possibility of losing a lawsuit and then having to allow in every private school that wanted in. The rules for private schools seeking to join UIL are narrowly tailored such that it was specifically to allow in those two and keep out everyone else. They're required to compete in 6A regardless of their enrollment and if I'm not mistaken, the rules only allow kids who live in the "assigned" attendance zone (I believe it's Dallas ISD for Dallas Jesuit and Alief ISD -- though it might be Houston ISD -- for Strake Jesuit) to compete in athletics. If anything the UIL subjects them to more rules than public schools. Maybe it's because I grew up in a state where public schools and private schools competed in the same organization, but I don't see what the big deal is with this. We wanted nothing more than to kick Christian Brothers' ass. No way to win anything believing you can't win. If a lawsuit did this, another can undo it. Limiting their range to all of DISD is no limit. Completely unfair. Like I said their website brags students from 100+ zip codes. But I don't want to win that fight. Anyway you would have to come up with a good legal argument for excluding them, and I don't see that happening. For better or worse, Dallas Jesuit isn't really any different from Allen or Southlake Carroll or Highland Park or any of a number of other public schools in affluent areas, except they're a private school that charges tuition, but may discount tuition for families that can't afford it (but the Jesuits, like other Catholic schools, frequently do this for all students.) It's not difficult to imagine a private school bending the rules to their advantage, but we also have plenty of examples of public schools bending the rules. Far more, in fact, than we have examples of the Jesuits doing it.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 1, 2016 16:57:32 GMT -6
No way to win anything believing you can't win. If a lawsuit did this, another can undo it. Limiting their range to all of DISD is no limit. Completely unfair. Like I said their website brags students from 100+ zip codes. But I don't want to win that fight. Anyway you would have to come up with a good legal argument for excluding them, and I don't see that happening. For better or worse, Dallas Jesuit isn't really any different from Allen or Southlake Carroll or Highland Park or any of a number of other public schools in affluent areas, except they're a private school that charges tuition, but may discount tuition for families that can't afford it (but the Jesuits, like other Catholic schools, frequently do this for all students.) It's not difficult to imagine a private school bending the rules to their advantage, but we also have plenty of examples of public schools bending the rules. Far more, in fact, than we have examples of the Jesuits doing it. The argument is they do not follow the same rules that all the other UIL sanctioned schools do. Two are demanding hundreds allow them to set their own rules. They have set themselves apart not the other way around.
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