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Post by tomcat on Apr 8, 2017 11:39:48 GMT -6
Down year for Calallen? Why, because Alice swept you so you gotta come up with excuses? If not for Alice, Calallen would undefeated in district right now and you wouldn't be calling it a down year. You better not beat Moody for the district title because Moody is a beast and undefeated and so if you beat them it will take away your ability to use the "down year" excuse. So congratulations on backing yourselves into a corner as fans who now have to root against your own team just so you can keep excusing away your losses to Alice. Come on man! We gave Alice their due for beating us twice. And yes compared to what our teams have been in the past we are not playing to that level right now, but this is baseball and things can change in a hurry, Alice has obviously stepped up their game hence the results like last night. Even if we had split or beat Alice twice this year that is not still not up to par for us. If we play Moody and beat them that will be great but it does change the fact that we are not playing at our best right now. Plus we still have 2 games left to play before that happens. Maybe the week off will turn things around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 14:15:44 GMT -6
Down year for Calallen? Why, because Alice swept you so you gotta come up with excuses? If not for Alice, Calallen would undefeated in district right now and you wouldn't be calling it a down year. You better not beat Moody for the district title because Moody is a beast and undefeated and so if you beat them it will take away your ability to use the "down year" excuse. So congratulations on backing yourselves into a corner as fans who now have to root against your own team just so you can keep excusing away your losses to Alice. Come on man! We gave Alice their due for beating us twice. And yes compared to what our teams have been in the past we are not playing to that level right now, but this is baseball and things can change in a hurry, Alice has obviously stepped up their game hence the results like last night. Even if we had split or beat Alice twice this year that is not still not up to par for us. If we play Moody and beat them that will be great but it does change the fact that we are not playing at our best right now. Plus we still have 2 games left to play before that happens. Maybe the week off will turn things around. Yeah ok and then the last 10 years of losing to Calallen don't count because those seasons weren't up to par with our best seasons. I mean anyone can use that excuse when they lose. Take away the 2 losses to Alice and your team hadn't lost in a month. Teams having a "down" season don't go a month without losing.
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Post by tomcat on Apr 8, 2017 16:43:39 GMT -6
Come on man! We gave Alice their due for beating us twice. And yes compared to what our teams have been in the past we are not playing to that level right now, but this is baseball and things can change in a hurry, Alice has obviously stepped up their game hence the results like last night. Even if we had split or beat Alice twice this year that is not still not up to par for us. If we play Moody and beat them that will be great but it does change the fact that we are not playing at our best right now. Plus we still have 2 games left to play before that happens. Maybe the week off will turn things around. Yeah ok and then the last 10 years of losing to Calallen don't count because those seasons weren't up to par with our best seasons. I mean anyone can use that excuse when they lose. Take away the 2 losses to Alice and your team hadn't lost in a month. Teams having a "down" season don't go a month without losing. [ I understand want you mean, we are winning games, but not in the manner we are used to. It is all relative. I only have about 10 years of history to go on. I moved to the Corpus area in 2006. During that time Calallen baseball has been dominant pretty much every year. Though they have been winning, the wins have been hard fought. We also have lost more games already this year as in 2-3 seasons combined in some years. I guess that is more of the down part. In baseball a team can catch fire at anytime. The past couple of seasons we have seemed to not play as well at the end of the season. Anything is still possible for just about any team in our district this year.
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Post by catfromwayback on Apr 8, 2017 17:15:24 GMT -6
Down year for Calallen? Why, because Alice swept you so you gotta come up with excuses? If not for Alice, Calallen would undefeated in district right now and you wouldn't be calling it a down year. You better not beat Moody for the district title because Moody is a beast and undefeated and so if you beat them it will take away your ability to use the "down year" excuse. So congratulations on backing yourselves into a corner as fans who now have to root against your own team just so you can keep excusing away your losses to Alice. So your thinking is simply that this year's Alice team is just their best in 20+ years? I don't recall Alice EVER sweeping a season series from Calallen so either this is Alice's BEST TEAM IN MEMORY, or Calallen is having a down year. Which is it? Oh I know......maybe Calallen is having an average (for them) year and just had bad games against Alice. We'll call that option #3. Or maybe Alice is having an average (for them) year and they just played GREAT against Calallen but Miller and GP were just too much for them. Option #4. OK.....pick one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 20:11:04 GMT -6
Down year for Calallen? Why, because Alice swept you so you gotta come up with excuses? If not for Alice, Calallen would undefeated in district right now and you wouldn't be calling it a down year. You better not beat Moody for the district title because Moody is a beast and undefeated and so if you beat them it will take away your ability to use the "down year" excuse. So congratulations on backing yourselves into a corner as fans who now have to root against your own team just so you can keep excusing away your losses to Alice. So your thinking is simply that this year's Alice team is just their best in 20+ years? I don't recall Alice EVER sweeping a season series from Calallen so either this is Alice's BEST TEAM IN MEMORY, or Calallen is having a down year. Which is it? Oh I know......maybe Calallen is having an average (for them) year and just had bad games against Alice. We'll call that option #3. Or maybe Alice is having an average (for them) year and they just played GREAT against Calallen but Miller and GP were just too much for them. Option #4. OK.....pick one. Alice is inconsistent in baseball and has been since after the 99 and 00 seasons. We'll beat great teams and turn around and lose to scrubs. That's the difference between an Alice and a Calallen. We have the talent but not the consistency.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 10, 2017 8:59:31 GMT -6
So your thinking is simply that this year's Alice team is just their best in 20+ years? I don't recall Alice EVER sweeping a season series from Calallen so either this is Alice's BEST TEAM IN MEMORY, or Calallen is having a down year. Which is it? Oh I know......maybe Calallen is having an average (for them) year and just had bad games against Alice. We'll call that option #3. Or maybe Alice is having an average (for them) year and they just played GREAT against Calallen but Miller and GP were just too much for them. Option #4. OK.....pick one. Alice is inconsistent in baseball and has been since after the 99 and 00 seasons. We'll beat great teams and turn around and lose to scrubs. That's the difference between an Alice and a Calallen. We have the talent but not the consistency. That's true. I recall a few years ago you beat Moody in the playoffs in a one gamer that Corky Gallegos begged to death for a three gamer to the point he was willing to play them in all in Alice so the rumour was, but the Alice coach back then said no way. The Alice pitcher pitched the best game of his life and I think even shut out Moody. Moody I think was also number one in the state and looked unstoppable. In round two Alice turned around and got beat pretty bad by someone in the San Antonio/Austin areas.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 10, 2017 9:25:05 GMT -6
Down year, that is a nice way to put it. We forget sometimes these are 15-18 year old young men, but yes to this point this may be the weakest team Calallen has fielded in many years. Certainly since I have following them. Maybe it will click in soon. Baseball is a funny game sometimes. I'm sure they will have a decent run in the playoffs. And I don't see the talent level dropping off anytime soon with some of the kids I see at oil belt By that barometer (Oil Belt, kids making the "A" list in the selects), this team should be dominating everyone and anyone since a number of them played on the World Series teams of 2013 and 2014 and/or have received multiple honors in the aforementioned select leagues. And come to think of it the past three or four teams had similar composition. Those kids that worked hard deserved those honors for sure. However that doesn't necessarily translate to automatic success team wise at the high school level. It's an entirely different animal and it has something to do with the fact they are 15-18 year olds as well. That stage as well all know who have gone through it or have kids who are or have gone through it is when they think they know everything in the world and are very impressionable. In my opinion after this season is said and done, a trip needs to be taken back in the DeLorian time machine to see what made those state championship tourney teams special. Alot of those teams success had little or nothing to do with what happened at Oil Belt or anywhere else for that matter. Getting back to that templete is not that hard to do, but is going to require some self examination from all involved.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 10, 2017 10:03:18 GMT -6
Down year for Calallen? Why, because Alice swept you so you gotta come up with excuses? If not for Alice, Calallen would undefeated in district right now and you wouldn't be calling it a down year. You better not beat Moody for the district title because Moody is a beast and undefeated and so if you beat them it will take away your ability to use the "down year" excuse. So congratulations on backing yourselves into a corner as fans who now have to root against your own team just so you can keep excusing away your losses to Alice. I'd say Alice straight up earned those wins. And yes I can't see how in the world they turned around and lost to Miller and GP. I was impressed with the kid that was throwing the ball on Friday night. Alice should be more in control of its destiny than it is right now. That's for sure.
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Post by milkshake on Apr 10, 2017 14:47:01 GMT -6
I'm sure they will have a decent run in the playoffs. And I don't see the talent level dropping off anytime soon with some of the kids I see at oil belt By that barometer (Oil Belt, kids making the "A" list in the selects), this team should be dominating everyone and anyone since a number of them played on the World Series teams of 2013 and 2014 and/or have received multiple honors in the aforementioned select leagues. And come to think of it the past three or four teams had similar composition. Those kids that worked hard deserved those honors for sure. However that doesn't necessarily translate to automatic success team wise at the high school level. It's an entirely different animal and it has something to do with the fact they are 15-18 year olds as well. That stage as well all know who have gone through it or have kids who are or have gone through it is when they think they know everything in the world and are very impressionable. In my opinion after this season is said and done, a trip needs to be taken back in the DeLorian time machine to see what made those state championship tourney teams special. Alot of those teams success had little or nothing to do with what happened at Oil Belt or anywhere else for that matter. Getting back to that templete is not that hard to do, but is going to require some self examination from all involved. I never said playing good at oil belt equates to a championship baseball team. But I am up there at least 3 days a week watching the kids there and know how much talent is there and how many more kids we have playing there then ever before. Like you said, these are 15-18 year olds and aren't perfect. They will make mistakes and have off years. All I was pointing out was the talent coming in to high school isn't drying up anytime soon.
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Post by catfromwayback on Apr 10, 2017 23:40:29 GMT -6
One problem is that when many of these kids start playing high school ball, they have been getting private "instruction" from some "instructors" that dad has paid a lot of money to over the years. This leads to a LOT of bad habits that are hard for the high school coach to break and many just won't listen to the coach because they think they already know how to do everything. Well the .280 batting average should be an indicator that it was not money well spent. Also the select team coaches tend to just take the players, put them in a spot on the field and let them play. They manage games more than actually coach players leaving many of them without any real knowledge of the game by the time they get to high school. A lot of even "elite" kids don't have any situational awareness or know what to do in certain situations. They may be talented and great athletes but some don't even know why they are being told what they're being told. No knock on the kids. They were just never taught the game. That step was skipped along the way in favor of extra time in the hitting cage or from being just managed on the field.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 11, 2017 7:46:22 GMT -6
By that barometer (Oil Belt, kids making the "A" list in the selects), this team should be dominating everyone and anyone since a number of them played on the World Series teams of 2013 and 2014 and/or have received multiple honors in the aforementioned select leagues. And come to think of it the past three or four teams had similar composition. Those kids that worked hard deserved those honors for sure. However that doesn't necessarily translate to automatic success team wise at the high school level. It's an entirely different animal and it has something to do with the fact they are 15-18 year olds as well. That stage as well all know who have gone through it or have kids who are or have gone through it is when they think they know everything in the world and are very impressionable. In my opinion after this season is said and done, a trip needs to be taken back in the DeLorian time machine to see what made those state championship tourney teams special. Alot of those teams success had little or nothing to do with what happened at Oil Belt or anywhere else for that matter. Getting back to that templete is not that hard to do, but is going to require some self examination from all involved. I never said playing good at oil belt equates to a championship baseball team. But I am up there at least 3 days a week watching the kids there and know how much talent is there and how many more kids we have playing there then ever before. Like you said, these are 15-18 year olds and aren't perfect. They will make mistakes and have off years. All I was pointing out was the talent coming in to high school isn't drying up anytime soon. Fair point. I just like to throw caution in the wind regardless if it's football, basketball, baseball,etc, etc. that things change from one year to next with kids teams. Baseball seems to be the more complex of the team sports due to some kids maturing faster than others. You might have a six foot seventh grader who throws heat and a 5 foot shrimp in Right Field who might flip slots by the time they get to high school. Heck I recall in my Little League days none of the feared pitchers in the day even stepped foot on the mound in high school and some didn't play baseball at all. Baseball in these parts rely also on Oil Belt or other leagues and Selects getting the kids ready for high school, so coaches at the high school level are either relying heavily on second hand accounts which can be skewed one way or another of how a kid performs or shooting in the dark. Unfortunately some of those second hand accounts have left some kids out of the loop and they give up on the sport altogether once they have a year of high school ball under their belts if they go out at all. I see more schools even in sub 5A in this area starting middle school programs for baseball. Other areas have it at the higher levels too. At least during those formative years in middle school, all your other teams sports in this area except soccer have a middle school component to give the kids a shot who may not have the resources to afford the extra help via the Selects or Private coaching or another set of eyes to perform in front of instead of coaches who might have their own self interests on the field of play like you would have in a league ball situation if you know what I mean. That's why our football program is what it is. While the local football youth leagues do a fantastic job getting the kids into the game with some basic fundamentals, the middle school coaches step in a do their thing and they are ready to roll once they hit high school.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 12, 2017 8:25:09 GMT -6
One problem is that when many of these kids start playing high school ball, they have been getting private "instruction" from some "instructors" that dad has paid a lot of money to over the years. This leads to a LOT of bad habits that are hard for the high school coach to break and many just won't listen to the coach because they think they already know how to do everything. Well the .280 batting average should be an indicator that it was not money well spent. Also the select team coaches tend to just take the players, put them in a spot on the field and let them play. They manage games more than actually coach players leaving many of them without any real knowledge of the game by the time they get to high school. A lot of even "elite" kids don't have any situational awareness or know what to do in certain situations. They may be talented and great athletes but some don't even know why they are being told what they're being told. No knock on the kids. They were just never taught the game. That step was skipped along the way in favor of extra time in the hitting cage or from being just managed on the field. Pretty much on target in some cases. Like I said a trip back to the past when summer ball and other work as a team unit was encouraged and facilitated would be BIG step towards fixing some of those issues. Right now as things stand, if the kids want to do extra work you are almost forced to get that private instruction and coaching at a great expense to the parents. This is probably applicable to a number of schools now a days, but others manage to accommodate kids who can't or will not pay for extra work via the select ball/private coaching industry. And it is a big business right now that needs to be tempered down by the voices in the baseball world simply by educating parents the percentages are against your kid getting a college sports scholarship in any sport and in baseball the percentage is even larger because the slots available are limited and baseball even at your power programs fund those scholarships at a very low level compared to other team sports. You'd be better off putting a lot of that money in a college fund and risking some stock market exposure via this method. But I understand the pressure parents feel to get their kids the select league exposure and private coaching when they told or approached by a select league coach or organization who can reference kids who are playing in the MLB or a major college program as some of their former players.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Apr 12, 2017 16:14:14 GMT -6
Calallen Wildcats John Gaddis and Zach Rumfield are staying close to home, signing on to play college ball with Texas A&M - Corpus Christi Islanders. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using proboards
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Post by CC_Varmints on Apr 18, 2017 4:57:26 GMT -6
30-5A Baseball
North Calallen 6-2 Ray 6-2 Alice 4-4 G-P 4-4 Miller 2-6 T-M 2-6
South xz-Moody 7-0 x-King 4-3 Carroll 3-4 Vets Mem 2-5 FB 1-5
* Flour Bluff has two games remaining against Carroll and Veterans Memorial. Carroll clinches final South Zone Playoff spot with a win over Flour Bluff. Flour Bluff has to win last two games to get in the playoffs. Not sure who gets in between Carroll and Veterans Memorial if Carroll loses to Flour Bluff and Veterans Memorial beats Flour Bluff???
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Post by CC_Varmints on Apr 18, 2017 21:44:08 GMT -6
30-5A Baseball
North xz-Calallen 7-2 x-Ray 6-3 Alice 5-4 G-P 4-5 T-M 3-6 Miller 2-7
South xz-Moody 7-0 x-King 4-3 x-Carroll 3-4 VM 3-5 FB 1-6
Now we wait for dates & times but it's Moody vs Calallen for 30-5A title
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