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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:59:39 GMT -6
You can't stop cherry picking irrelevant stats to save your life. Cherry picking certain teams with huge enrollments that don't have titles doesn't disprove that huge enrollments aren't an advantage. And cherry picking smaller enrollments with titles doesn't either. I NEVER said you have to have the biggest enrollment to win, so you're cherry picked examples are nonsense. Calallen was the dominant program in the Coastal Bend for 20 years. Then in the last 15 years FB's enrollment shot up and now they're even. Coincidence? FB was an irrelevant program until their enrollment shot up. They were a homecoming game on other programs schedules until their enrollment shot up. Obviously I'm cherry picking. But that's the point - we can both do it. And once again I at least recognize it's just an opinion while your still posting your stats as facts with your chest sticking out. You are like talking to a 8"x8" cedar post! How is me showing you the 20 largest schools in TX and ONLY 1 OF THEM having success cherry picking? You just either don't get it, or are too hardheaded to want to get it. I showed you three teams that are NOWHERE near the biggest in 6a that have had more success than JUST ABOUT ANYONE in the state in 6a football and that's cherry picking to you? Explain how SLC, Katy, and CH have had so much succes and yet are nowhere near the biggest and yet win so many titles when all the other teams on the list not named Allen have won nothing the past 10 years and yet they have HUGE enrollment numbers! LMAO They win because they have big participation numbers, great support, great coaching, and kids that bust their tails and go the extra mile! They are not putting FBS kids out at the rates of DeSoto, Skyline, or some of the others, yet they win continuously. You bring up Calallen yet again, so why don't you explain to us all how Calallen was so dominant for all those years when they were NOT some big 4a school. Let me give you a clue.......it is called coaching, support, and dedication by the players! I saw them back in the late 90s when we played them and Clemens had a larger enrollment by quite a bit. How is it they had just as many player suited up though? Because they had/have a great program with tremendous particpation numbers. You are truly something else man! Dude all you're doing is reposting the same words in different order. Let it go. It's still just an opinion. It's like you refuse to give up until I scream "uncle". It's not gonna happen. You will never convince me that huge enrollments aren't an advantage just because you can post huge enrollment teams without a title. Why? Because it's impossible to know how those huge enrollment teams would do if you cut their enrollments by a large number. It's a hypothetical. You can't really know. So you can't say their enrollments aren't an advantage just because they don't have a title. It's an OPINION.
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Post by FB fan on May 27, 2015 21:22:34 GMT -6
And you can't prove otherwise either.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 8:14:18 GMT -6
And you can't prove otherwise either. Exactly. But I'm the one admitting its just an opinion. He's the one posting opinions as facts. Yet I'm the one that gets attacked. I don't mind though. Hypocrisy keeps me entertained.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 28, 2015 12:19:43 GMT -6
And you can't prove otherwise either. Exactly. But I'm the one admitting its just an opinion. He's the one posting opinions as facts. Yet I'm the one that gets attacked. I don't mind though. Hypocrisy keeps me entertained. LMAO You live in your own little world don't you Chino! Is this an opinion or fact below? In the last 10 years, Calallen, FB, and GP have owned the Alice Coyotes on the football field.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 12:54:11 GMT -6
Exactly. But I'm the one admitting its just an opinion. He's the one posting opinions as facts. Yet I'm the one that gets attacked. I don't mind though. Hypocrisy keeps me entertained. LMAO You live in your own little world don't you Chino! Is this an opinion or fact below? In the last 10 years, Calallen, FB, and GP have owned the Alice Coyotes on the football field. Opinion. Fact that Calallen has "owned" us. But despite our under .500 record vs FB and GP those games are always close. Cue the cherry picked scores that weren't close in 3... 2... 1...
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 28, 2015 15:46:50 GMT -6
LMAO You live in your own little world don't you Chino! Is this an opinion or fact below? In the last 10 years, Calallen, FB, and GP have owned the Alice Coyotes on the football field. Opinion. Fact that Calallen has "owned" us. But despite our under .500 record vs FB and GP those games are always close. Cue the cherry picked scores that weren't close in 3... 2... 1... All three own 80% winning percentage against Alice the last 10 years. It don't matter if all of GP and FB's wins were by 1 point with 21 point 4th qtr comebacks.....a win is a win whether it is by 1 or 42! SCOREBOARD IS WHAT COUNTS and you just don't get it and continue to make one excuse after another. IT IS A FACT that all three have owned Alice the past decade, NOT AN OPINION!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:06:31 GMT -6
Opinion. Fact that Calallen has "owned" us. But despite our under .500 record vs FB and GP those games are always close. Cue the cherry picked scores that weren't close in 3... 2... 1... All three own 80% winning percentage against Alice the last 10 years. It don't matter if all of GP and FB's wins were by 1 point with 21 point 4th qtr comebacks.....a win is a win whether it is by 1 or 42! SCOREBOARD IS WHAT COUNTS and you just don't get it and continue to make one excuse after another. IT IS A FACT that all three have owned Alice the past decade, NOT AN OPINION! Of course the points matter. Losing to someone on last second failed 2 point conversions(as we did twice to FB)is not the same as getting owned by 35 points. Obviously a loss is a loss but don't tell me the points don't matter. Alice losing to FB 21-20 isn't the same as Moody losing to FB 45-0. Why only go back 10 years? Oh, I know, because that allows you to make Alice look bad, and because the team you bandwagon on has only been a school for 10 years. I get it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 29, 2015 7:26:39 GMT -6
All three own 80% winning percentage against Alice the last 10 years. It don't matter if all of GP and FB's wins were by 1 point with 21 point 4th qtr comebacks.....a win is a win whether it is by 1 or 42! SCOREBOARD IS WHAT COUNTS and you just don't get it and continue to make one excuse after another. IT IS A FACT that all three have owned Alice the past decade, NOT AN OPINION! Of course the points matter. Losing to someone on last second failed 2 point conversions(as we did twice to FB)is not the same as getting owned by 35 points. Obviously a loss is a loss but don't tell me the points don't matter. Alice losing to FB 21-20 isn't the same as Moody losing to FB 45-0. Why only go back 10 years? Oh, I know, because that allows you to make Alice look bad, and because the team you bandwagon on has only been a school for 10 years. I get it. Because it is a hell of a lot more relevant to what is happen now........TODAY then what happen 20 & 30 years ago! Quit living in the past and wake up and look at what is going on today. I'm no bandwagon fan of anyone. I like what FB is doing and the way their program is headed. I also know several of the folks from there, so yeah, I'm going to pull for the Hornets. FB has turned their program around and moving upwards, is that why you don't like them? I guess you feel like they are stealing some of Alice's thunder and that is why you have to keep going back 'to the day'?! Last, how is me showing the numbers (win/loss) making your team look bad? It is what it is and the numbers don't lie. I have not talked down on Alice and will not. I've given credit where it is due and said that you guys had some very good teams over the years. It is comical to me how you have excuses galore on why Alice's season didn't turn out and why other teams did. We had 5 starters out for this game, 7 for that game, 11 for this game........& we only lost by 1 point! Calallen recruits.....FB wins ONLY because they have the best athletes and enrollment numbers but their coaching sucks.....GP never graduates anybody and returns 47 starters each year............yada yada yada yada and on and on and on. Yes, we all know.........these are not excuses, they are legit reasons why it happened! I do believe Soza can turn it around, but only if your kids, admin, and parents get behind him fully and back him 100%. Until that happens, Alice will continue to struggle even with a great coach at the helm. Until kids stop leaving and going to play somewhere else (parents allowing it), IT WON'T CHANGE! It is NOT rocket science.
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Post by OCCNH on May 29, 2015 9:34:43 GMT -6
Of course the points matter. Losing to someone on last second failed 2 point conversions(as we did twice to FB)is not the same as getting owned by 35 points. Obviously a loss is a loss but don't tell me the points don't matter. Alice losing to FB 21-20 isn't the same as Moody losing to FB 45-0. Why only go back 10 years? Oh, I know, because that allows you to make Alice look bad, and because the team you bandwagon on has only been a school for 10 years. I get it. Because it is a hell of a lot more relevant to what is happen now........TODAY then what happen 20 & 30 years ago! Quit living in the past and wake up and look at what is going on today. I'm no bandwagon fan of anyone. I like what FB is doing and the way their program is headed. I also know several of the folks from there, so yeah, I'm going to pull for the Hornets. FB has turned their program around and moving upwards, is that why you don't like them? I guess you feel like they are stealing some of Alice's thunder and that is why you have to keep going back 'to the day'?! Last, how is me showing the numbers (win/loss) making your team look bad? It is what it is and the numbers don't lie. I have not talked down on Alice and will not. I've given credit where it is due and said that you guys had some very good teams over the years. It is comical to me how you have excuses galore on why Alice's season didn't turn out and why other teams did. We had 5 starters out for this game, 7 for that game, 11 for this game........& we only lost by 1 point! Calallen recruits.....FB wins ONLY because they have the best athletes and enrollment numbers but their coaching sucks.....GP never graduates anybody and returns 47 starters each year............yada yada yada yada and on and on and on. Yes, we all know.........these are not excuses, they are legit reasons why it happened! I do believe Soza can turn it around, but only if your kids, admin, and parents get behind him fully and back him 100%. Until that happens, Alice will continue to struggle even with a great coach at the helm. Until kids stop leaving and going to play somewhere else (parents allowing it), IT WON'T CHANGE! It is NOT rocket science. Not to pick on any particular school but areas change, towns change, schools change, ethic makeup changes, financial loss or gain change. Once upon a time, FB had almost 35% of the kids considered at risk. Things do change...... Losing is losing. As a player it sucks. As a fan it sucks. But change will never happen without total support from the entire school district. Robstown was on a forever losing streak. They got that coach from PC and got them in the playoffs and got farther than they'd been since the 1920's. Yeah.......change happens
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Post by Clemensbuff on May 29, 2015 15:27:06 GMT -6
Not to pick on any particular school but areas change, towns change, schools change, ethic makeup changes, financial loss or gain change. Once upon a time, FB had almost 35% of the kids considered at risk. Things do change...... Losing is losing. As a player it sucks. As a fan it sucks. But change will never happen without total support from the entire school district. Robstown was on a forever losing streak. They got that coach from PC and got them in the playoffs and got farther than they'd been since the 1920's. Yeah.......change happens Absolutely OCCNH. You are correct. I really do believe that Alice can get it back on track with Soza there but the 'buy-in' must be there from everyone with complete support for him and his staff.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 17:51:27 GMT -6
Of course the points matter. Losing to someone on last second failed 2 point conversions(as we did twice to FB)is not the same as getting owned by 35 points. Obviously a loss is a loss but don't tell me the points don't matter. Alice losing to FB 21-20 isn't the same as Moody losing to FB 45-0. Why only go back 10 years? Oh, I know, because that allows you to make Alice look bad, and because the team you bandwagon on has only been a school for 10 years. I get it. Because it is a hell of a lot more relevant to what is happen now........TODAY then what happen 20 & 30 years ago! Quit living in the past and wake up and look at what is going on today. I'm no bandwagon fan of anyone. I like what FB is doing and the way their program is headed. I also know several of the folks from there, so yeah, I'm going to pull for the Hornets. FB has turned their program around and moving upwards, is that why you don't like them? I guess you feel like they are stealing some of Alice's thunder and that is why you have to keep going back 'to the day'?! Last, how is me showing the numbers (win/loss) making your team look bad? It is what it is and the numbers don't lie. I have not talked down on Alice and will not. I've given credit where it is due and said that you guys had some very good teams over the years. It is comical to me how you have excuses galore on why Alice's season didn't turn out and why other teams did. We had 5 starters out for this game, 7 for that game, 11 for this game........& we only lost by 1 point! Calallen recruits.....FB wins ONLY because they have the best athletes and enrollment numbers but their coaching sucks.....GP never graduates anybody and returns 47 starters each year............yada yada yada yada and on and on and on. Yes, we all know.........these are not excuses, they are legit reasons why it happened! I do believe Soza can turn it around, but only if your kids, admin, and parents get behind him fully and back him 100%. Until that happens, Alice will continue to struggle even with a great coach at the helm. Until kids stop leaving and going to play somewhere else (parents allowing it), IT WON'T CHANGE! It is NOT rocket science. So 20 years ago is the "past", but 10 years ago isn't? And when did I ever say I don't like FB? I could care less one way or the other. Just because I debate someone's fans on here doesn't mean anything more than I disagree with some points. You can't just make every single point I make go away by calling it an excuse. When I say FB didn't become relevant until their enrollment ballooned that has nothing to do with excuses. That's a fact. When I point out all the starters we lost, maybe it is kind of an excuse but it's also a fact. I even posted names, positions and numbers so your analytical loving ass can look up whatever you want. There's nothing to "turn around" in Alice. We went 3 rounds deep in 2012, 10-2 in 2013 and had a very good team this past season until we lost all those starters. Yes there was 5 for West, 9 for GP and 11 for FB out. The number kept growing because these weren't minor injuries, they were season ending injures. I could care less if you think it's legit or not.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 1, 2015 8:45:51 GMT -6
So 20 years ago is the "past", but 10 years ago isn't? And when did I ever say I don't like FB? I could care less one way or the other. Just because I debate someone's fans on here doesn't mean anything more than I disagree with some points. You can't just make every single point I make go away by calling it an excuse. When I say FB didn't become relevant until their enrollment ballooned that has nothing to do with excuses. That's a fact. When I point out all the starters we lost, maybe it is kind of an excuse but it's also a fact. I even posted names, positions and numbers so your analytical loving ass can look up whatever you want. There's nothing to "turn around" in Alice. We went 3 rounds deep in 2012, 10-2 in 2013 and had a very good team this past season until we lost all those starters. Yes there was 5 for West, 9 for GP and 11 for FB out. The number kept growing because these weren't minor injuries, they were season ending injures. I could care less if you think it's legit or not. yep, 10 years ago is certainly the past........just a hell of a lot more relevant that what took place 20 or 30 years ago. Agree? Yes, FB certainly got better when their enrollment grew, just not in the late 90s as I showed you they won many more games the previouse 5 years than they did in 98' & 99'. Isn't the late 90s considered 98' & 99'? Everybody loses starters through the course of a year, it is part of football. Everybody plays games with starters out. Yes, Alice had a rash of it last year, nobody is arguing that we are all simply tired of hearing how your Alice Coyotes were right there in all those games with 22 backups playing. We've read it 100+ times since last season. Hell, you might have won state last year if not for all those injuries....who knows. Bolded above in your reply........really? So, you are OK with the last 10 years? So, you are OK with a 66% winning percentage, 68% in district, & 42% in the playoffs and missing the playoffs entirely 30% of the time? Last 10 years of Alice football: OVER ALL 74 wins 38 losses DISTRICT 44 wins 21 losses PLAYOFFS 5 wins 7 losses 38 of Alice's 74 wins (51%) have come against these 6 teams: Kingsville 8 Tulosa Midway 8 Moody 6 Ray 6 L Cigarroa 6 L Nixon 4 12 more of Alice's wins have come against these 4 teams CC Miller 3 L Alexander 3 L Martin 3 Robstown 3 So, 50 of Alice's 74 total wins (68%) have come against these 10 schools. Now, take a look at the top 5-6 teams you've faced these past 10 years....and I'm not talking about LT or CP as they are both title winners and contenders year in and year out. Let's see how Alice has done against them. I'm not listing them here in any particular order as far as which are better, just who I believe is the toughest competition. Calallen 2 wins 8 losses Flour Bluff 2 wins 8 losses Gregory Portland 1 win 5 losses Edcouch Elsa 1 win 2 losses Port Arthur Mem 0 wins 2 losses Overall record against these 5 teams above.....6 wins 25 losses for a winning percentage of 19% Take PAM off since you are convinced they were a powerhouse of a 5a team and you are still looking at 26%. So, if you are good with 26% against the better CB opponents I guess you are correct in that nothing needs to turned around. I know, I know, its just me twisting things around with numbers......right? Wrong, the numbers DON'T LIE.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Jun 1, 2015 10:45:00 GMT -6
Because it is a hell of a lot more relevant to what is happen now........TODAY then what happen 20 & 30 years ago! Quit living in the past and wake up and look at what is going on today. I'm no bandwagon fan of anyone. I like what FB is doing and the way their program is headed. I also know several of the folks from there, so yeah, I'm going to pull for the Hornets. FB has turned their program around and moving upwards, is that why you don't like them? I guess you feel like they are stealing some of Alice's thunder and that is why you have to keep going back 'to the day'?! Last, how is me showing the numbers (win/loss) making your team look bad? It is what it is and the numbers don't lie. I have not talked down on Alice and will not. I've given credit where it is due and said that you guys had some very good teams over the years. It is comical to me how you have excuses galore on why Alice's season didn't turn out and why other teams did. We had 5 starters out for this game, 7 for that game, 11 for this game........& we only lost by 1 point! Calallen recruits.....FB wins ONLY because they have the best athletes and enrollment numbers but their coaching sucks.....GP never graduates anybody and returns 47 starters each year............yada yada yada yada and on and on and on. Yes, we all know.........these are not excuses, they are legit reasons why it happened! I do believe Soza can turn it around, but only if your kids, admin, and parents get behind him fully and back him 100%. Until that happens, Alice will continue to struggle even with a great coach at the helm. Until kids stop leaving and going to play somewhere else (parents allowing it), IT WON'T CHANGE! It is NOT rocket science. So 20 years ago is the "past", but 10 years ago isn't? And when did I ever say I don't like FB? I could care less one way or the other. Just because I debate someone's fans on here doesn't mean anything more than I disagree with some points. You can't just make every single point I make go away by calling it an excuse. When I say FB didn't become relevant until their enrollment ballooned that has nothing to do with excuses. That's a fact. When I point out all the starters we lost, maybe it is kind of an excuse but it's also a fact. I even posted names, positions and numbers so your analytical loving ass can look up whatever you want. There's nothing to "turn around" in Alice. We went 3 rounds deep in 2012, 10-2 in 2013 and had a very good team this past season until we lost all those starters. Yes there was 5 for West, 9 for GP and 11 for FB out. The number kept growing because these weren't minor injuries, they were season ending injures. I could care less if you think it's legit or not. When was the last time Alice won a District Championship in Varsity High School Football? 2008. Before 2008, when was the last time Alice won a District Championship in Varsity High School Football? Now that is very relevant. Flour Bluff from 2005 to 2014 (10 seasons): 2005 Undefeated District 31-4A Championship outright. 2009 Undefeated District 31-4A Championship outright. 2012 Undefeated District 31-4A Championship outright. 2013 Undefeated District 31-4A Championship outright. 2014 Undefeated District 30-5A Championship outright. Calallen is the only team that can match that success in the past 10 seasons (including Gregory-Portland, Port Lavaca Calhoun and Alice). Wins and losses matter. The score doesn't matter as much as you try to opinionate it to matter. Go cry yourself a river.
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