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Post by bluefrontwhiteback on Jun 15, 2019 7:52:31 GMT -6
The new high school in West Temple looks like it might be a mid-high 4A D1 the first couple years of JV ball but by the time they start playing Varsity the numbers are projected 1200-1400. What districts do you see them being put in? Me personally the La Vega,Brownwood,Gatesville disteict is where they start out but onto 5A d2 who knows, could they travel as far as Aledo along with University or do they go south to Austin?
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 15, 2019 8:57:10 GMT -6
Will start out 4A but won’t play varsity for 2 seasons. Is projected to have a UIL number of 1910 in October 2021, which would put them in 5A D1 for 2022-2023. Belton/New Tech’s UIL number is supposed to be around 2516 in 2021 and around 2200 in 2023, so 5A D1 is a possibility for 2024-26 only. This is, of course, only if UIL doesn’t add 7A or change anything else up by that time. Lake Belton should be a lock for the Austin area when it goes to 5A. www.bisd.net/cms/lib/TX01001322/Centricity/Domain/1795/20190319-so-belton-isd-spring-2019-demographicUpdate.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:14:20 GMT -6
Will start out 4A but won’t play varsity for 2 seasons. Is projected to have a UIL number of 1910 in October 2021, which would put them in 5A D1 for 2022-2023. Belton/New Tech’s UIL number is supposed to be around 2516 in 2021 and around 2200 in 2023, so 5A D1 is a possibility for 2024-26 only. This is, of course, only if UIL doesn’t add 7A or change anything else up by that time. Lake Belton should be a lock for the Austin area when it goes to 5A. www.bisd.net/cms/lib/TX01001322/Centricity/Domain/1795/20190319-so-belton-isd-spring-2019-demographicUpdate.pdfDo you think they would ever have 3 divisions instead of 2 in each classification? That way they could cut down the enrollment differences come playoff time. |
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 15, 2019 11:41:21 GMT -6
Will start out 4A but won’t play varsity for 2 seasons. Is projected to have a UIL number of 1910 in October 2021, which would put them in 5A D1 for 2022-2023. Belton/New Tech’s UIL number is supposed to be around 2516 in 2021 and around 2200 in 2023, so 5A D1 is a possibility for 2024-26 only. This is, of course, only if UIL doesn’t add 7A or change anything else up by that time. Lake Belton should be a lock for the Austin area when it goes to 5A. www.bisd.net/cms/lib/TX01001322/Centricity/Domain/1795/20190319-so-belton-isd-spring-2019-demographicUpdate.pdfDo you think they would ever have 3 divisions instead of 2 in each classification? That way they could cut down the enrollment differences come playoff time. I was thinking of that the other day, but it would be difficult to implement. If you opened up 6A to 256 schools, that's an average of 8 per district for 32 districts for basketball. Divide 256 by 3 divisions for football, and each of the 48 districts would average 5.33 schools. A good theory on paper, but probably wouldn't work out well. Looking at the numbers, the 1A-6A model needs to stay in place for at least the next 10 years because each of the lower classifications are nowhere close to being full. 6 classes could easily hold 1450+ schools, and there are currently only 1338. The current system needs a few tweaks to make life better for 5A and 6A schools, but then 4A could really be stretched out. Until they simply move to 11-12 classifications across the board, the system won't be able to make everyone happy, and even then people will be mad about travel at first. |
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 15, 2019 11:54:48 GMT -6
Do you think they would ever have 3 divisions instead of 2 in each classification? That way they could cut down the enrollment differences come playoff time. I was thinking of that the other day, but it would be difficult to implement. If you opened up 6A to 256 schools, that's an average of 8 per district for 32 districts for basketball. Divide 256 by 3 divisions for football, and each of the 48 districts would average 5.33 schools. A good theory on paper, but probably wouldn't work out well. Looking at the numbers, the 1A-6A model needs to stay in place for at least the next 10 years because each of the lower classifications are nowhere close to being full. 6 classes could easily hold 1450+ schools, and there are currently only 1338. The current system needs a few tweaks to make life better for 5A and 6A schools, but then 4A could really be stretched out. Until they simply move to 11-12 classifications across the board, the system won't be able to make everyone happy, and even then people will be mad about travel at first. And to build off that, a few rules I feel should be implemented: -Schools over 4000 students must be divided into 2 equal teams for all sports, divided by a 3rd party. -School districts cannot have schools separated by more than 1 classification (sorry, Dallas ISD schools such as Lincoln and Carter) -If the current 6-classification model stays, we need limits on who can opt up and when. My thoughts are to ban opt-ups between divisions until after the alignments have been produced. Any opt-ups after that point must appeal based on a hardship. -If we move to an 11- or 12-class model, the previous rule wouldn't be needed due to the lack of divisions. Opt ups could still be requested before realignment, or after by appeal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:31:56 GMT -6
Do you think they would ever have 3 divisions instead of 2 in each classification? That way they could cut down the enrollment differences come playoff time. I was thinking of that the other day, but it would be difficult to implement. If you opened up 6A to 256 schools, that's an average of 8 per district for 32 districts for basketball. Divide 256 by 3 divisions for football, and each of the 48 districts would average 5.33 schools. A good theory on paper, but probably wouldn't work out well. Looking at the numbers, the 1A-6A model needs to stay in place for at least the next 10 years because each of the lower classifications are nowhere close to being full. 6 classes could easily hold 1450+ schools, and there are currently only 1338. The current system needs a few tweaks to make life better for 5A and 6A schools, but then 4A could really be stretched out. Until they simply move to 11-12 classifications across the board, the system won't be able to make everyone happy, and even then people will be mad about travel at first. People would complain there were too many state champs if you added a division. But for me it comes down to minimizing enrollment disparities. |
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 15, 2019 14:38:15 GMT -6
I was thinking of that the other day, but it would be difficult to implement. If you opened up 6A to 256 schools, that's an average of 8 per district for 32 districts for basketball. Divide 256 by 3 divisions for football, and each of the 48 districts would average 5.33 schools. A good theory on paper, but probably wouldn't work out well. Looking at the numbers, the 1A-6A model needs to stay in place for at least the next 10 years because each of the lower classifications are nowhere close to being full. 6 classes could easily hold 1450+ schools, and there are currently only 1338. The current system needs a few tweaks to make life better for 5A and 6A schools, but then 4A could really be stretched out. Until they simply move to 11-12 classifications across the board, the system won't be able to make everyone happy, and even then people will be mad about travel at first. People would complain there were too many state champs if you added a division. But for me it comes down to minimizing enrollment disparities. There is already a group thinking it’s dumb to have divisions in one sport and not in all others. There’s also a group that thinks these divisions in football should be called 1A-12A in that sport alone. Texas has more schools than any other state, so there should naturally be more state champions. |
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Post by milkshake on Jun 16, 2019 13:39:29 GMT -6
Yes and no. You start taking away from what it means to win state at a certain point.
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 16, 2019 14:30:35 GMT -6
Yes and no. You start taking away from what it means to win state at a certain point. While true, UIL is still the largest athletic governing body in the nation and should thereby have the most state champions than the rest. Having 12 conferences and a 64 team tournament means you still have to beat 6 other teams for a title (rather than the current 7 in all sports but football). Oklahoma only has 16 schools each in 6A D1 and 6A D2 for football. THAT is watering it down. www.ossaa.net/docs/2018-19/Classifications/FB_2018-19_1819Classifications.pdf |
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Post by urbuddha on Jun 18, 2019 12:15:03 GMT -6
Yes and no. You start taking away from what it means to win state at a certain point. That happened when there was only one district championship. Now it is so watered down that many schools with losing records go to the playoffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 12:30:03 GMT -6
Yes and no. You start taking away from what it means to win state at a certain point. That happened when there was only one district championship. Now it is so watered down that many schools with losing records go to the playoffs. "Many schools with losing records go to the playoffs"? Do you have numbers to support this? I dont think that's true. You're a division 2 guy. How many teams in D2 got into the tournament with a losing record? |
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 20, 2019 12:50:29 GMT -6
That happened when there was only one district championship. Now it is so watered down that many schools with losing records go to the playoffs. "Many schools with losing records go to the playoffs"? Do you have numbers to support this? I dont think that's true. You're a division 2 guy. How many teams in D2 got into the tournament with a losing record? Perhaps he was referring to UIL football as a whole. But in all of 5A, here's what we had in 2018: 3-7: FB Hightower, FW Eastern Hills, Wichita Falls 4-6: Canutillo, Canyon Randall, Manor, Sherman So 6 losing records out of 128 playoff teams, or 5%. Add in 17 (I counted twice but could be off) teams with a 5-5 record and there are 23/128 playoff teams that are average or below average in record, or 18%. But you see this the most in 4A since it is the smallest classification by number of schools. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 13:05:43 GMT -6
"Many schools with losing records go to the playoffs"? Do you have numbers to support this? I dont think that's true. You're a division 2 guy. How many teams in D2 got into the tournament with a losing record? Perhaps he was referring to UIL football as a whole. But in all of 5A, here's what we had in 2018: 3-7: FB Hightower, FW Eastern Hills, Wichita Falls 4-6: Canutillo, Canyon Randall, Manor, Sherman So 6 losing records out of 128 playoff teams, or 5%. Add in 17 (I counted twice but could be off) teams with a 5-5 record and there are 23/128 playoff teams that are average or below average in record, or 18%. But you see this the most in 4A since it is the smallest classification by number of schools. He said losing record so 5% in D2. I agree in lower classifications that number is probably higher due to the lack of teams. I'm curious what many is. 35%? 40%? |
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Post by rtxc1 on Jun 20, 2019 13:08:00 GMT -6
4A D1 playoff schools:
2-8: Big Spring, San Angelo Lake View
3-7: Kilgore, RGC Gulla
4-5: Brownwood, Carrollton Ranchview, FW Dunbar
4-6: Bay City, Clint, Decatur, Fabens, Gainesville, Houston North Forest, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Pampa, Taylor
5-5: Alvarado, Brazosport, China Spring, Gonzales, Huffman Hargrave, Kingsville King, Lake Worth, Lumberton, Navasota
16/64 with losing records, or 25%. 25/64, or 39% with average or below average records.
I personally see that as a lot of losing records that make the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 13:10:06 GMT -6
4A D1 playoff schools: 2-8: Big Spring, San Angelo Lake View 3-7: Kilgore, RGC Gulla 4-5: Brownwood, Carrollton Ranchview, FW Dunbar 4-6: Bay City, Clint, Decatur, Fabens, Gainesville, Houston North Forest, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Pampa, Taylor 5-5: Alvarado, Brazosport, China Spring, Gonzales, Huffman Hargrave, Kingsville King, Lake Worth, Lumberton, Navasota 16/64 with losing records, or 25%. 25/64, or 39% with average or below average records. I personally see that as a lot of losing records that make the playoffs. But what is that number compared to how it use to be before the expansion? 25% is high but lets say the old percentage was 15% then it is not as much as people think. |
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