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Post by CLEMENS_2016 on Aug 21, 2013 21:45:21 GMT -6
So I was looking at the schedules for some teams and I must admit the guys who select these schedules are pretty slick, play your tough non district games first to serve as a test and build steam, then run all over your district comp...not too shabby. However, I must admit the value of doing so only makes sense from a coaching stand point, personally I think you do the kids a disservice. Just my opinion, when I coached I welcomed competition and had the opinion of "we'll beat anyones tail...let's roll", but in the high paying coaching profession of TX HS football I guess longevity is king. Win, win...let's not lose too many (especially rivalry games) or I'll be hunting for a job. I was offered two HS coaching positions, one in HI and one in VA. Not Texas, but coaching jobs nonetheless. Soft schedules dishonor the game IMO.
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Post by warcat82 on Aug 21, 2013 22:30:52 GMT -6
Can't really help the districts UIL puts together.... The soft districts have nothing to do with coach preference... Now some of the teams play soft non district and just build up their wins in non district, some of which are trying to build winning into kids that never have, others just because they are trying to pad stats. Most respectable coaches schedule the tougher schedules to challenge the kids even if they were stuck in with a powder puff district... Only in UIL world does it make sense to put Laredo in with Corpus... Or Holland, Rogers and Cameron are in region 4 but the other teams in the area go region 1 or region 3....
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Post by kramcat on Aug 22, 2013 6:09:13 GMT -6
You have to be talking about Refugio. LOL UIL picks the district, Refugio picks the nondistrict. Come on to Texas and make the money.
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Post by CLEMENS_2016 on Aug 22, 2013 6:14:38 GMT -6
You have to be talking about Refugio. LOL LMAO...
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Post by FB fan on Aug 22, 2013 7:17:17 GMT -6
So I was looking at the schedules for some teams and I must admit the guys who select these schedules are pretty slick, play your tough non district games first to serve as a test and build steam, then run all over your district comp...not too shabby. However, I must admit the value of doing so only makes sense from a coaching stand point, personally I think you do the kids a disservice. Just my opinion, when I coached I welcomed competition and had the opinion of "we'll beat anyones tail...let's roll", but in the high paying coaching profession of TX HS football I guess longevity is king. Win, win...let's not lose too many (especially rivalry games) or I'll be hunting for a job. I was offered two HS coaching positions, one in HI and one in VA. Not Texas, but coaching jobs nonetheless. Soft schedules dishonor the game IMO. I don't know if you misworded your post or what but it makes no sense. If coaches were trying to pad win stats why would they schedule tough non district games? As far as district teams that is nothing to do with coaches, except Danaher who has a direct line to UIL, everyone else has to go with whatever the UIL puts out. Just kidding Cal Cat Kitties, had a G-P moment there.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2013 8:06:52 GMT -6
Obviously, the coach has no control over the district schedule (which can be anywhere from 50-90% of the schedule.)
And, in some cases, non-district options can be limited. I know Denton Ryan, because they're in a six-team district this cycle, has had trouble filling its non-district schedule; in fact, they only played nine games last year. Their options for the last non-district game were basically the Planos, and Ryan didn't want to do that. Other districts may limit the options because they don't want to send the team too far for a non-district game.
I think it's all about balance. If I were a coach, I'd probably want to schedule teams that were roughly my equal. Good enough to be a challenge, but not so challenging that the game is unwinnable. You don't really get anything out of scheduling a team you're going to beat easily, nor do you get much out of a team that will blow you out. At the same time, I also like using non-district to schedule some rivalry games (that, for one reason or another, aren't on the district schedule.)
As to won-loss record... really, who cares about non-district? I'll take a couple of non-district losses and a deep playoff run over 10-0 with an early exit any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 8:14:15 GMT -6
So I was looking at the schedules for some teams and I must admit the guys who select these schedules are pretty slick, play your tough non district games first to serve as a test and build steam, then run all over your district comp...not too shabby. However, I must admit the value of doing so only makes sense from a coaching stand point, personally I think you do the kids a disservice. Just my opinion, when I coached I welcomed competition and had the opinion of "we'll beat anyones tail...let's roll", but in the high paying coaching profession of TX HS football I guess longevity is king. Win, win...let's not lose too many (especially rivalry games) or I'll be hunting for a job. I was offered two HS coaching positions, one in HI and one in VA. Not Texas, but coaching jobs nonetheless. Soft schedules dishonor the game IMO. I don't know if you misworded your post or what but it makes no sense. If coaches were trying to pad win stats why would they schedule tough non district games? As far as district teams that is nothing to do with coaches, except Danaher who has a direct line to UIL, everyone else has to go with whatever the UIL puts out. Just kidding Cal Cat Kitties, had a G-P moment there. May your desires to travel to Laredo for another two seasons be granted.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Aug 22, 2013 14:40:30 GMT -6
Floresville has been heavy on the SAISD schools the last few season which bums me out. In the past we normally played at least one top area school generally from the Hill Country. I get you want to build winning in teams but at some point you have to get smacked in the face vs a good team to see how far you have to go.
I'm sure when the Tigers played in the coastal district that travel cost came in to play for the non distract teams.
I like the for us to get the La Vernia and Pleasanton games back as well to keep the rivalries alive.
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Post by Laredo_Sports on Aug 22, 2013 14:47:02 GMT -6
I thought our schedule looked good. 3 teams, Smithson Valley, SA Southwest, SA Reagan made the playoffs. I don't think SA Macarthur will make the playoffs, but they are in the strongest district in Region 4. In district we have Del Rio, Laredo Alexander, and a surging Eagle Pass. Id say that would be an alright schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 14:55:54 GMT -6
But..... Some schools are so bound by budget constraints and can't afford to travel and play a top 25 school whn there is another school just a few miles down the road that's in a class below. I think that has been an issue the last few years thanks to economic conditions. Think about how much it cost to diesel up 10 or more school buses for the varsity, the band, etc. If you have the benefit of playing at home, you still have to do the same for the JV and Freshmen teams or you will have to do it for your varsity the following season. Then you have to pencil in the cost for your other team sports who will have to hit the road to play at least once to each of those long trip district mate. Locally, some coaches could not so much have a gentlemen's agreement in place to play due to uncertainty about where the UIL is going to place you. We thought we were going to Laredo, then the UIL put us with you guys. Where as when we had a Coastal Bend centered district, you were almost certain thing would remain the same, thus going up to the Austin and San Antonio areas became a more attractive option. Now that the Texas economy is roaring back and probably responsible for most of the tepid growth nationally, school budgets should be a little more flush with cash. Especially those of us who are benefiting directly or indirectly with oil field activity and related industries. I don't know with this realignment if we will be fortunate to have a Coastal Bend district again which would allow a game or two beyond two hours from Corpus. But when all the Corpus school drop to 4a thanks to the sixth high school in the CCISD, it might become an option then.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2013 18:06:29 GMT -6
But..... Some schools are so bound by budget constraints and can't afford to travel and play a top 25 school whn there is another school just a few miles down the road that's in a class below. I think that has been an issue the last few years thanks to economic conditions. Think about how much it cost to diesel up 10 or more school buses for the varsity, the band, etc. If you have the benefit of playing at home, you still have to do the same for the JV and Freshmen teams or you will have to do it for your varsity the following season. Then you have to pencil in the cost for your other team sports who will have to hit the road to play at least once to each of those long trip district mate. Locally, some coaches could not so much have a gentlemen's agreement in place to play due to uncertainty about where the UIL is going to place you. We thought we were going to Laredo, then the UIL put us with you guys. Where as when we had a Coastal Bend centered district, you were almost certain thing would remain the same, thus going up to the Austin and San Antonio areas became a more attractive option. Now that the Texas economy is roaring back and probably responsible for most of the tepid growth nationally, school budgets should be a little more flush with cash. Especially those of us who are benefiting directly or indirectly with oil field activity and related industries. I don't know with this realignment if we will be fortunate to have a Coastal Bend district again which would allow a game or two beyond two hours from Corpus. But when all the Corpus school drop to 4a thanks to the sixth high school in the CCISD, it might become an option then. It's a little bit different in DFW. There are enough schools nearby that you can generally find somebody who's at your weight level without traveling too far. The only possible complicating factor is district play; for example, Guyer put together its pre-district schedule knowing that if they'd ended up 5A there was a reasonable chance that Flower Mound Marcus would be in the district. But other than that it's not terribly difficult. The other complicating factor is sub-varsity teams. Basically, if you have two JV teams you're limited to playing other schools with two JV teams. If you're only looking at 5A schools that's generally not going to be a problem (though a few exist), but some 4A schools don't have that.
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Post by tomseaver on Aug 22, 2013 18:37:50 GMT -6
I think the tough schedule (maybe the toughest of any 4A in the state) helped Guyer last year, and I think it'll help this year. Playing all 5A, and damn good 5A, exposed their weaknesses early, gave them things to work on, and held egos in check. They went 1-2 against Cedar Hill, Colleyville Heritage, and Flower Mound Marcus, and then ran the table. This is their schedule this year as well. Add in Allen next year to boot.
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Post by Purp on Aug 22, 2013 19:10:44 GMT -6
I think the tough schedule (maybe the toughest of any 4A in the state) helped Guyer last year, and I think it'll help this year. Playing all 5A, and damn good 5A, exposed their weaknesses early, gave them things to work on, and held egos in check. They went 1-2 against Cedar Hill, Colleyville Heritage, and Flower Mound Marcus, and then ran the table. This is their schedule this year as well. Add in Allen next year to boot. Now that's a soft schedule if I've ever hear one!! Geeez!! Most 5a teams don't play that!
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Post by tomseaver on Aug 22, 2013 19:34:31 GMT -6
Yeah. Our HC is also the AD. I'll find him tomorrow at our scrimmage with Aledo and tell him he's a puss! It's pretty fun because you get a chance to see a lot of kids that will be playing on TV on Saturdays.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2013 19:40:04 GMT -6
Yeah. Our HC is also the AD. I'll find him tomorrow at our scrimmage with Aledo and tell him he's a puss! It's pretty fun because you get a chance to see a lot of kids that will be playing on TV on Saturdays. Thought Ken Purcell was still the district AD?
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