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Post by gpballer4life on Feb 12, 2013 10:13:49 GMT -6
Does South Texas just not have the great athletes that transition to the next level. Or is it a question of Coaches not taking the time to recruit the area. I spent some time looking through Rivals and Espn's recruiting sites and I am not finding any local athletes.
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Post by otter on Feb 12, 2013 10:46:58 GMT -6
A buddy once told me "You can't coach 6'5"". You see all the guys from Calallen signing Pro contracts or LOI in baseball. That tells you it is not about recruiting the area as much as it is a question of Size, Speed and Talent. If there is a genetically inclined talent anywhere, some scout or some coach somewhere will find that kid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 11:03:43 GMT -6
Unfortunately, most of your big time college football recruiters don't bother looking at kids South of Loop 410. Heck, I recall once upon a time even San Antonio was not even looked at as a recruiting hot spot in Texas, but that all changed with growth and with that a diversity in population. That's not to say we don't have some diamonds in the rough that make it to that level. Likewise if a kid dares to follow his dream and play in the NFL one day, he can do it at a smaller college. I give you Robert Garza who is long time starter for the Chicago Bears who played college ball at a small college in Kingsville, Texas who btw has more NFL Hall inductees than any other college in Texas save for UT. He came from a little town in the Rio Grande Valley called Rio Hondo.
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Post by gpballer4life on Feb 12, 2013 11:14:35 GMT -6
I went to college with Robert. He was a great player. Thats my point exactly its not cost effective to spend the recruiting dollars down here. Coaches can recruit 15 or 20 kids at one time in one trip to Houston or Dallas because of the numbers game. I think we have kids who can play at that level it is just harder for them to get the recognition. To be a big recruit out of this area you have to be truly special such as Connel Davis,Jordan Chambliss, or Tommy Blake where.(Tommy Blake was going to be a first or second round draft pick until what ever isssues he was having surfaced) Even those guys where not recruited as heavily as they would have been if you put them Dallas or Houston.
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Post by otter on Feb 12, 2013 12:57:34 GMT -6
In the as they say "high stakes game"of college football the only thing that is not cost effective is losing. Certainly a recruiter is going to target the Metro areas and East Texas. But they are not going to skip over somebody because of where he is playing. They may question the place where he is playing, but then will ask is the young man dominating his opposition. "To be truly special" as a skilled player is absolutely correct.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Feb 13, 2013 13:38:23 GMT -6
The excuse I have heard the most is the South Texas airports don't have the amount of nonstop flight like DFW and IAH have. So this limits the time college coaches have to see South Texas athletes.
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Post by jackets89 on Mar 10, 2013 13:17:55 GMT -6
there arent many Div 1 prospects south of san antonio, this is why recruiters rarely come south unless its a player that is on everyone's radar. But what i dont understand is that the valley has had quite a bit of players sign DIV II and DIV III scholarships (athletic and academic , 6 to 12 players a year) to teams from midwest states. Those schools have a smaller recruiting budget than the big boys , but they somehow find their way down here every year. This is good for the local kids and seems some coaches have set up a good rapport with these coaches. im sure they are recruiting in coastal bens and san antonio area.
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Post by otter on Mar 11, 2013 7:53:37 GMT -6
DIII - is a totally different animal. Those guys aren't necessarily recruiting football players, but students. Remember they offer no scholarships.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 8:55:28 GMT -6
DIII - is a totally different animal. Those guys aren't necessarily recruiting football players, but students. Remember they offer no scholarships. Technically correct. They give out grants in aid as an incentive at some places, but rarely a full or even 3/4 ride or even close to 1/2 ride. DII is caped at thirty six scholarships , but they can be split into partial rides to give more pieces of the pie to others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 8:59:57 GMT -6
there arent many Div 1 prospects south of san antonio, this is why recruiters rarely come south unless its a player that is on everyone's radar. But what i dont understand is that the valley has had quite a bit of players sign DIV II and DIV III scholarships (athletic and academic , 6 to 12 players a year) to teams from midwest states. Those schools have a smaller recruiting budget than the big boys , but they somehow find their way down here every year. This is good for the local kids and seems some coaches have set up a good rapport with these coaches. im sure they are recruiting in coastal bens and san antonio area. They are also trying to open up their schools to more diverse populations, hence they recruit the RGV. Back in the day when the migrants population was bigger factor in the schools down there, I believe some schools had special programs with government incentives to recruit kids to attend school back where they might have spent time working during their time in those states. We had quite a few kids who ended up at schools large and small in Michigan, Iowa, Indiana, etc who also would end up trying out for a sport and make a team.
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2013 21:51:02 GMT -6
DIII - is a totally different animal. Those guys aren't necessarily recruiting football players, but students. Remember they offer no scholarships. Technically correct. They give out grants in aid as an incentive at some places, but rarely a full or even 3/4 ride or even close to 1/2 ride. DII is caped at thirty six scholarships , but they can be split into partial rides to give more pieces of the pie to others. My understanding of DIII is that the schools treat the athletes like regular students when it comes to financial aid. In other words, if you come from a poor background, you might qualify for x amount of financial aid -- but that's true if you're a regular student, too.
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2013 22:04:15 GMT -6
Unfortunately, most of your big time college football recruiters don't bother looking at kids South of Loop 410. Heck, I recall once upon a time even San Antonio was not even looked at as a recruiting hot spot in Texas, but that all changed with growth and with that a diversity in population. That's not to say we don't have some diamonds in the rough that make it to that level. Likewise if a kid dares to follow his dream and play in the NFL one day, he can do it at a smaller college. I give you Robert Garza who is long time starter for the Chicago Bears who played college ball at a small college in Kingsville, Texas who btw has more NFL Hall inductees than any other college in Texas save for UT. He came from a little town in the Rio Grande Valley called Rio Hondo. Distance is a factor too. It's, what, a two-hour drive from San Antonio to Corpus? The RGV is even further than that. It hurts that there aren't any D-I programs in south Texas to scoop up the kids in the area. Basically, the difference is that if you go to DFW or Houston, you can hit up a few schools in a day and you'll probably come across a dozen D-I prospects. It's a much shorter trip for the coaches, and it's easier to justify that than spending more time going down to south Texas to see one guy who might be good enough to play D-I.
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Post by gpjohn on Apr 1, 2013 8:07:46 GMT -6
Technically correct. They give out grants in aid as an incentive at some places, but rarely a full or even 3/4 ride or even close to 1/2 ride. DII is caped at thirty six scholarships , but they can be split into partial rides to give more pieces of the pie to others. My understanding of DIII is that the schools treat the athletes like regular students when it comes to financial aid. In other words, if you come from a poor background, you might qualify for x amount of financial aid -- but that's true if you're a regular student, too. My son could have gone to Trinity, played DIII ball. They indicated they would give him about a 1/2 scholorship, about 21K/yr. Would have cost dear old dad an extra 5K/yr over TAMUK! He decided he just wanted to focus on academics. I kind of wish he had gone to Tinity, not so much for football, but it is a very nice school. They graduate something like 96% of their students in 4 years. Including a semester studying abroad. One good thing about Trinity, they guarantee whatever aid they offer for the full 4 years. I've heard of some DIII schools offering significant scholorships to players for the first year, then not so much after that. Problem is, credits from some private schools dont readily transfer, so you either pay the full fare, or lose a year.
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Post by warrior1520 on Apr 3, 2013 15:37:48 GMT -6
I've always heard an old saying that "Scouts rarely travel south of IH10" I don't know exactly how true that is, I hope it's not true at all!
But your above average baseball players are usually players that play baseball year around anyway and most are seen for their first time somewhere else other than their High School baseball home field.
Organizations like the Banditos in Houston and the Sliders in San Antonio among some others are very important recruiting tools for scouts, coaches and recruiters. Most of these organizations play at venues where a scout, coach etc. can come view several prospects or unknowns at the same time.
If they're interested, they'll come!
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Post by Laredo_Sports on Apr 23, 2013 18:29:47 GMT -6
Martin signees
RB Rudy Castillo - Texas Lutheran LB Mark Duron - Texas Lutheran OL Eloy Robles - Southwestern
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