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Post by CrustaceanxNation on Oct 18, 2012 19:29:31 GMT -6
Victoria West pulls off a upset. Upset? But we got 16 new starters...... Don't push your luck. Not only do we have 16 new starters, but we only have 7 plays in our playbook
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Post by FB fan on Oct 18, 2012 21:12:53 GMT -6
Upset? But we got 16 new starters...... Don't push your luck. Not only do we have 16 new starters, but we only have 7 plays in our playbook It is entirely too quiet from the Crabs this week. Seven plays will not take you where you want to go. (yeah, I know you were kidding_ BUT.........PLC needs to throw the ball more and this would be a good week to work on that. Before I see a hundred replies of why not here is the why. On the way to where everyone wants to get to you will without a doubt run into a balanced O team that can run, throw and have a great D. Without having a practiced and decent passing game when you need it they will be able to stack the box on you but you wont be able to do the same to them. That is when you realize you have brought a knife to a gun fight. Seen it before.
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Post by CC_Varmints on Oct 18, 2012 21:36:51 GMT -6
Don't push your luck. Not only do we have 16 new starters, but we only have 7 plays in our playbook It is entirely too quiet from the Crabs this week. Seven plays will not take you where you want to go. (yeah, I know you were kidding_ BUT.........PLC needs to throw the ball more and this would be a good week to work on that. Before I see a hundred replies of why not here is the why. On the way to where everyone wants to get to you will without a doubt run into a balanced O team that can run, throw and have a great D. Without having a practiced and decent passing game when you need it they will be able to stack the box on you but you wont be able to do the same to them. That is when you realize you have brought a knife to a gun fight. Seen it before. 2010 Boerne Champion and 2011 Kerrville Tivy
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Post by CrabFan-1977 on Oct 18, 2012 21:41:25 GMT -6
It is entirely too quiet from the Crabs this week. Seven plays will not take you where you want to go. (yeah, I know you were kidding_ BUT.........PLC needs to throw the ball more and this would be a good week to work on that. Before I see a hundred replies of why not here is the why. On the way to where everyone wants to get to you will without a doubt run into a balanced O team that can run, throw and have a great D. Without having a practiced and decent passing game when you need it they will be able to stack the box on you but you wont be able to do the same to them. That is when you realize you have brought a knife to a gun fight. Seen it before. 2010 Boerne Champion and 2011 Kerrville Tivy Nah, not buying it. Bad D did us in. They didn't stop our offense. And by the way, gun doesn't always win the fight. Remember the beginning of the movie, "The Magnificent 7"? Guy with the knife beat the guy with the gun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 22:17:24 GMT -6
PLC's offense is not the problem. Their offense hasn't been stopped the last two years. If PLC gets beat, it will be because they got out scored by a team with an excellent passing game. PLC's offense is doing just fine.
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Post by chs7sandcrab on Oct 18, 2012 23:01:18 GMT -6
To an extent, I agree with FB fan, CC_Varmints, and CrabFan-1977.
A non-existent pass defense led to Calhoun's losses in 2010 and 2011 against Boerne Champion and Kerrville Tivy, respectively, as the Sandcrabs scored over 40 points against both of them, which is usually enough to win.
However, in the 2009 Regional final against Austin McCallum, Calhoun's option was broken up by McCallum's big defensive linemen who could penetrate and disrupt the option before it could be played out. Calhoun then started passing some and won the game because of the passing.
A district opponent in 2010 tailored a defense specifically for the Calhoun game and stopped the triple option, although it was completely vulnerable to even short passes; however, Calhoun would not try to pass and lost the game.
A defense that has very good lateral pursuit can also cause problems for the option. Calallen has good defensive pursuit, but Calhoun was able to run the ball behind and between the tackles in that game.
Some sort of passing game is essential for the Sandcrabs, unless the offensive line is able to dominate everybody, and I don't think that will be possible. Eventually, Calhoun is going to play against a team with a defensive line that cannot be pushed around (someone like Cedar Park, perhaps?). Then the question is whether that defense will also be able to string out the option. If so, Calhoun is going to have a serious problem without a passing game.
One good feature of the "double slot" type of option that PLC runs is that it provides for four receivers to go out for the pass, sometimes called "four verticals", with the fullback staying back to help block. Both halfbacks go out as receivers as well as the ends. I have not yet seen Calhoun try it. The quarterback has to have good "field vision" and a quick release, and the passing alternatives are many. The pass patterns don't even have to be deep and can just be short or mid-range. It can wreak havoc on a defense that keeps crowding the line to stack up the running option.
If Victoria West has both a stout defense and an accurate passing game, the score could be close. If the VW defense is somewhat soft against the run option, the Sandcrabs should win fairly easily, as was demonstrated against Gregory-Portland last week.
I am glad that Calhoun is not playing Victoria East this week. When VE shifted some players around and put someone with breakaway speed at quarterback (Ortega), it produced a high-scoring win against VW. We need to see how that new approach by VE asserts itself.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Oct 19, 2012 6:01:37 GMT -6
Don't push your luck. Not only do we have 16 new starters, but we only have 7 plays in our playbook It is entirely too quiet from the Crabs this week. Seven plays will not take you where you want to go. (yeah, I know you were kidding_ BUT.........PLC needs to throw the ball more and this would be a good week to work on that. Before I see a hundred replies of why not here is the why. On the way to where everyone wants to get to you will without a doubt run into a balanced O team that can run, throw and have a great D. Without having a practiced and decent passing game when you need it they will be able to stack the box on you but you wont be able to do the same to them. That is when you realize you have brought a knife to a gun fight. Seen it before. Sorry, wrong yet again. PLC has not lost a game because we do not have a passing game. The games we have lost was becasue of no pass D. Can't seem to get that thru the heads of the non believers. To win at the level we are talking about, DEFENSE is the topic. Run the ball score 40+ or pass the ball score 40+....what difference does it make? PLC has a D this year, so let's see what that gets us...besides, if you think we can't pass or won't then why not stack the box to stop the run? If your opinion that we don't or can't pass is solid then why don't the opposing coaches share it and jam the LOS , bliz the corners and stop the run?
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Post by sandcrab79 on Oct 19, 2012 6:03:13 GMT -6
PLC's offense is not the problem. Their offense hasn't been stopped the last two years. If PLC gets beat, it will be because they got out scored by a team with an excellent passing game. PLC's offense is doing just fine. Thank you 81
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Post by CC_Varmints on Oct 19, 2012 6:52:43 GMT -6
It is entirely too quiet from the Crabs this week. Seven plays will not take you where you want to go. (yeah, I know you were kidding_ BUT.........PLC needs to throw the ball more and this would be a good week to work on that. Before I see a hundred replies of why not here is the why. On the way to where everyone wants to get to you will without a doubt run into a balanced O team that can run, throw and have a great D. Without having a practiced and decent passing game when you need it they will be able to stack the box on you but you wont be able to do the same to them. That is when you realize you have brought a knife to a gun fight. Seen it before. Sorry, wrong yet again. PLC has not lost a game because we do not have a passing game. The games we have lost was becasue of no pass D. Can't seem to get that thru the heads of the non believers. To win at the level we are talking about, DEFENSE is the topic. Run the ball score 40+ or pass the ball score 40+....what difference does it make? PLC has a D this year, so let's see what that gets us...besides, if you think we can't pass or won't then why not stack the box to stop the run? If your opinion that we don't or can't pass is solid then why don't the opposing coaches share it and jam the LOS , bliz the corners and stop the run? And just how does the PLC Defense get better at Pass Defense when they practice every week against the PLC Offense that is not passing the ball? PLC has to practice, practice, practice... If the PLC Offense does not provide that practice, the PLC Pass Defense will never improve.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Oct 19, 2012 8:08:19 GMT -6
Sorry, wrong yet again. PLC has not lost a game because we do not have a passing game. The games we have lost was becasue of no pass D. Can't seem to get that thru the heads of the non believers. To win at the level we are talking about, DEFENSE is the topic. Run the ball score 40+ or pass the ball score 40+....what difference does it make? PLC has a D this year, so let's see what that gets us...besides, if you think we can't pass or won't then why not stack the box to stop the run? If your opinion that we don't or can't pass is solid then why don't the opposing coaches share it and jam the LOS , bliz the corners and stop the run? And just how does the PLC Defense get better at Pass Defense when they practice every week against the PLC Offense that is not passing the ball? PLC has to practice, practice, practice... If the PLC Offense does not provide that practice, the PLC Pass Defense will never improve. I would try to explain it, but somehow I just don't think you would understand or agree
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Post by FB fan on Oct 19, 2012 8:15:21 GMT -6
And just how does the PLC Defense get better at Pass Defense when they practice every week against the PLC Offense that is not passing the ball? PLC has to practice, practice, practice... If the PLC Offense does not provide that practice, the PLC Pass Defense will never improve. I would try to explain it, but somehow I just don't think you would understand or agree So, all the college and pro coaches and teams are just wrong about the need to have a balanced offense?
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Post by otter on Oct 19, 2012 8:53:47 GMT -6
Sorry, wrong yet again. PLC has not lost a game because we do not have a passing game. The games we have lost was becasue of no pass D. Can't seem to get that thru the heads of the non believers. To win at the level we are talking about, DEFENSE is the topic. Run the ball score 40+ or pass the ball score 40+....what difference does it make? PLC has a D this year, so let's see what that gets us...besides, if you think we can't pass or won't then why not stack the box to stop the run? If your opinion that we don't or can't pass is solid then why don't the opposing coaches share it and jam the LOS , bliz the corners and stop the run? And just how does the PLC Defense get better at Pass Defense when they practice every week against the PLC Offense that is not passing the ball? PLC has to practice, practice, practice... If the PLC Offense does not provide that practice, the PLC Pass Defense will never improve. That is the problem every team faces. If every team PLC plays could run the veer as effectively as they do, than every team would be doing it in a game. It is impossible to ask for example my spread offense team to run the veer this week as fast and effectively as PLC does it so that the defense can get a good picture. You just do the best that you can do. PLC's defensive coaches aren't stupid. They game plan for whomever they are playing and try to get their scout offense to run the opponents offense as fast and as best as they can. If they can't play pass defense it is not because PLC can't or rarely passes the ball. It could be a number of factors such as they too can't get their scout offense to do a half-way decent job of simulating a passing opponent's offense. Maybe they just don't have good DB's. Maybe they don't have a good pass rush. Maybe it is just that the other teams Pass Offense is way better than their Pass Defense. PLC wins games by sustaining drives, not turning over the ball. Limit special teams mistakes, and defensively to put pressure on the ball to get it back as fast as possible. They want to keep you behind the chains, and force to you to pass, whereas they will allow you to pass underneath and rally to the ball. You are playing in to their hands by trying to go deep on early downs, and they try to prevent that on later downs. You want to beat them, you better sustain drives yourself, or score a lot of points. And play very good defense. Calallen is probably the only team thus far to have played good enough defense to beat them. To enforce your point, if Calallen could pass the ball they would have won. But PLC's veer offense is not the reason they can't play pass defense. 2008 Alice spread offense was as good as any. Didn't keep Garrett Gilbert out of the endzone for 52. When PLC goes down, it'll be the same thing - they will have come across someone that score more and limit the opportunities.
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Post by hicktoria on Oct 19, 2012 9:29:15 GMT -6
Maybe, just maybe... PLC is not showing everyone they have been working on the passing game...might see it come playoff time though
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Post by FB fan on Oct 19, 2012 9:39:14 GMT -6
Maybe, just maybe... PLC is not showing everyone they have been working on the passing game...might see it come playoff time though I have no doubt they are practicing the passing game. But you can't duplicate game speed in practice no matter how hard you try. So far PLC has only thrown 9 passes with 4 completions for 41 yards for the season. Back to a point I was making, this would be a good game to get some real time reps in this week.
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Post by sandcrab79 on Oct 19, 2012 10:46:15 GMT -6
I would try to explain it, but somehow I just don't think you would understand or agree So, all the college and pro coaches and teams are just wrong about the need to have a balanced offense? So, just which college or pro team are we playing this week? I'm trying to keep it apples to apples with you but you want to make fruit salad to make a point all the while just stirring the pot. heck, I give up, your right..... Hey, Coach Whit, you better listen to these guys or else PS, coach Whit, run it down their throat and tell em so before you do it... Crabnation !!!
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