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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 17, 2012 9:13:54 GMT -6
Class 5A
1. Southlake Carroll 2. Lake Travis 3. Dallas Skyline 4. Katy 5. Cibolo Steele 6. Euless Trinity 7. DeSoto 8. Allen 9. Longview 10. Abilene
Others receiving votes: 11, Arlington Martin 41. 12, Manvel 18. 13, Pearland 15. 14, SA Madison 11. 15, The Woodlands 10. 16, Spring DeKaney 9. 17, La Porte 5. 18, Austin Westlake 3. 19, Hewitt Midway 2. 20, Lufkin 1. 20, Smithson Valley 1.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 17, 2012 12:45:57 GMT -6
Class 5A1. Southlake Carroll 2. Lake Travis 3. Dallas Skyline 4. Katy 5. Cibolo Steele 6. Euless Trinity 7. DeSoto 8. Allen 9. Longview 10. Abilene Others receiving votes: 11, Arlington Martin 41. 12, Manvel 18. 13, Pearland 15. 14, SA Madison 11. 15, The Woodlands 10. 16, Spring DeKaney 9. 17, La Porte 5. 18, Austin Westlake 3. 19, Hewitt Midway 2. 20, Lufkin 1. 20, Smithson Valley 1. While I agree with the top 3 (not sure of the order), who really knows how accurate the rest are. I'd prefer for Steele to be out of the top 10 to start the year and 'earn' their way into the top 10. I know it has a lot to do with the last two year's PO runs so it is what it is. Also, I don't really put any stock in any pre-season hs polls. These are young kids and anything can happen throughout a long season! I can tell you this much, Madison is a 'loaded' team coming is as is SV. IMO, each is a top 10 team to me if I'm voting just based on the talent they return. I think Judson could very well have one hell of a year as well if the kids can pick up on Smith's offense and execute it well without turning it over too much. With the athletes they have, the sky is the limit at Judson with an offense like his! Other teams in R4 I'd look out for making possible deep runs are SA EC, Reagan, NB, Brandeis, and possibly Harlingen. I know the Cards lost a lot of talent to graduation, but they have their program doing well and it is only a matter of time until they break through and win the region.
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Post by clemens2016 on Aug 19, 2012 12:21:39 GMT -6
Class 5A1. Southlake Carroll 2. Lake Travis 3. Dallas Skyline 4. Katy 5. Cibolo Steele 6. Euless Trinity 7. DeSoto 8. Allen 9. Longview 10. Abilene Others receiving votes: 11, Arlington Martin 41. 12, Manvel 18. 13, Pearland 15. 14, SA Madison 11. 15, The Woodlands 10. 16, Spring DeKaney 9. 17, La Porte 5. 18, Austin Westlake 3. 19, Hewitt Midway 2. 20, Lufkin 1. 20, Smithson Valley 1. While I agree with the top 3 (not sure of the order), who really knows how accurate the rest are. I'd prefer for Steele to be out of the top 10 to start the year and 'earn' their way into the top 10. I know it has a lot to do with the last two year's PO runs so it is what it is. Also, I don't really put any stock in any pre-season hs polls. These are young kids and anything can happen throughout a long season! I can tell you this much, Madison is a 'loaded' team coming is as is SV. IMO, each is a top 10 team to me if I'm voting just based on the talent they return. I think Judson could very well have one hell of a year as well if the kids can pick up on Smith's offense and execute it well without turning it over too much. With the athletes they have, the sky is the limit at Judson with an offense like his! Other teams in R4 I'd look out for making possible deep runs are SA EC, Reagan, NB, Brandeis, and possibly Harlingen. I know the Cards lost a lot of talent to graduation, but they have their program doing well and it is only a matter of time until they break through and win the region. I think Steele is a bonafide deep run contender this season and like you a number 10 spot would've given the kids there a goal. As long as they don't assume that they are 'that good' and play as they are capable, then I see state in their future for 2013. Judson, if adapted, will make it to some of the final rounds as well and once they've mastered the system and the current frosh team is in place the Rockets might just make a 13th trip to state. My only concern with Steele is predictability. I could watch one of their games and call the plays from the bleachers, but with TA heading off to Nebraska it may usher in some new plays that remedy this. TA's run game was so potent that he led the team in rushing and posed a serious threat on ground. Now that he's gone, others will have to step up and the new QB- and his accurate arm, will make things happen as well. The run game must pick up IMO. Over the next few years Steele will have to do some adjusting, just like when MB graduated, TA had to pick it up. Now they need bonafied RBs to open up the pass game. I think JS finished ranked #91 or so as far as in state...gotta improve that. Also CS will be graduating so the line will need a new anchor.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 19, 2012 17:12:57 GMT -6
While I agree with the top 3 (not sure of the order), who really knows how accurate the rest are. I'd prefer for Steele to be out of the top 10 to start the year and 'earn' their way into the top 10. I know it has a lot to do with the last two year's PO runs so it is what it is. Also, I don't really put any stock in any pre-season hs polls. These are young kids and anything can happen throughout a long season! I can tell you this much, Madison is a 'loaded' team coming is as is SV. IMO, each is a top 10 team to me if I'm voting just based on the talent they return. I think Judson could very well have one hell of a year as well if the kids can pick up on Smith's offense and execute it well without turning it over too much. With the athletes they have, the sky is the limit at Judson with an offense like his! Other teams in R4 I'd look out for making possible deep runs are SA EC, Reagan, NB, Brandeis, and possibly Harlingen. I know the Cards lost a lot of talent to graduation, but they have their program doing well and it is only a matter of time until they break through and win the region. I think Steele is a bonafide deep run contender this season and like you a number 10 spot would've given the kids there a goal. As long as they don't assume that they are 'that good' and play as they are capable, then I see state in their future for 2013. Judson, if adapted, will make it to some of the final rounds as well and once they've mastered the system and the current frosh team is in place the Rockets might just make a 13th trip to state. My only concern with Steele is predictability. I could watch one of their games and call the plays from the bleachers, but with TA heading off to Nebraska it may usher in some new plays that remedy this. TA's run game was so potent that he led the team in rushing and posed a serious threat on ground. Now that he's gone, others will have to step up and the new QB- and his accurate arm, will make things happen as well. The run game must pick up IMO. Over the next few years Steele will have to do some adjusting, just like when MB graduated, TA had to pick it up. Now they need bonafied RBs to open up the pass game. I think JS finished ranked #91 or so as far as in state...gotta improve that. Also CS will be graduating so the line will need a new anchor. Actually, Stockton lead the team in rushing by a pretty good margin and also had a better per carry average. Name.....................Att......Yds.....Yds/Att.....TD Justin Stockton...... 165.....1499.....9.08........13 Tommy Armstrong..152.....1281.....8.43........16 Jordan Sterns..........58.......493......8.5..........6 D'Angelo Wallace.....72.......467.....6.49.........5 Now, keep in mind that both Stockton and Wallace are only going to be Jrs! Add to that STerns coming back who's already committed to OSU to play safety. He is about 200 lbs right now and will come in for a change of pace, in your face, type of RB and I look for him to get 8-10 touches a game. Kid is powerful and fast and would most likely be a top 5 RB in the region if he was not already a 3-star safety. That's 2,459 yards & 24 rushing TDs returning this season from last. I think that gives the Knights one hell of a returning foundation to build on this season. Add to that that Stockton hasn't missed a workout in the weight room and I've been told he is probably around 180+ on a 5'9" frame and squatting in teh upper 400s, I think he will be able to carry a lot more load than he has so far and put the team on his back more this year. I know he is going to be a heck of a lot more explosive this year with the work he's put in this off-season. Steele also returns Mayle at WR along with Thadeus Thompson who was injured in the Judson game and didn't get to play in the playoffs. Mayle is a legit D1 Receiver and T Thompson has turned into a physical beast with great hands. I saw him in 7 on 7 and he's easily over 6' & 200 lbs and very physical and goes up and gets teh ball. Add to the receiving corps a sure handed 6' senior in Trevor Ahin and I think we'll be able to go verticle very well and this will keep defenses from stacking the box against us or we'll burn them in the air. The O-line is going to be HUGE. I've heard 280 avg this year and reports are that they are a NASTY bunch. So, if they come together as a unit and McCollum settles in at QB this could very well be Steele's best offense yet as far as explosiveness and scoring points. We will see in 12 days how they look when they face #2 Madison at Heroes Stadium.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 19, 2012 17:14:32 GMT -6
I think Steele is a bonafide deep run contender this season and like you a number 10 spot would've given the kids there a goal. As long as they don't assume that they are 'that good' and play as they are capable, then I see state in their future for 2013. Judson, if adapted, will make it to some of the final rounds as well and once they've mastered the system and the current frosh team is in place the Rockets might just make a 13th trip to state. My only concern with Steele is predictability. I could watch one of their games and call the plays from the bleachers, but with TA heading off to Nebraska it may usher in some new plays that remedy this. TA's run game was so potent that he led the team in rushing and posed a serious threat on ground. Now that he's gone, others will have to step up and the new QB- and his accurate arm, will make things happen as well. The run game must pick up IMO. Over the next few years Steele will have to do some adjusting, just like when MB graduated, TA had to pick it up. Now they need bonafied RBs to open up the pass game. I think JS finished ranked #91 or so as far as in state...gotta improve that. Also CS will be graduating so the line will need a new anchor. Actually, Stockton lead the team in rushing by a pretty good margin and also had a better per carry average. Name.....................Att......Yds.....Yds/Att.....TD Justin Stockton...... 165.....1499.....9.08........13 Tommy Armstrong..152.....1281.....8.43........16 Jordan Sterns..........58.......493......8.5..........6 D'Angelo Wallace.....72.......467.....6.49.........5 Now, keep in mind that both Stockton and Wallace are only going to be Jrs! Add to that STerns coming back who's already committed to OSU to play safety. He is about 200 lbs right now and will come in for a change of pace, in your face, type of RB and I look for him to get 8-10 touches a game. Kid is powerful and fast and would most likely be a top 5 RB in the region if he was not already a 3-star safety. That's 2,459 yards & 24 rushing TDs returning this season from last. I think that gives the Knights one hell of a returning foundation to build on this season. Add to that that Stockton hasn't missed a workout in the weight room and I've been told he is probably around 180+ on a 5'9" frame and squatting in teh upper 400s, I think he will be able to carry a lot more load than he has so far and put the team on his back more this year. I know he is going to be a heck of a lot more explosive this year with the work he's put in this off-season. Steele also returns Mayle at WR along with Thadeus Thompson who was injured in the Judson game and didn't get to play in the playoffs. Mayle is a legit D1 Receiver and T Thompson has turned into a physical beast with great hands. I saw him in 7 on 7 and he's easily over 6' & 200 lbs and very physical and goes up and gets teh ball. Add to the receiving corps a sure handed 6' senior in Trevor Ahin and I think we'll be able to go verticle very well and this will keep defenses from stacking the box against us or we'll burn them in the air. The O-line is going to be HUGE. I've heard 280 avg this year and reports are that they are a NASTY bunch. So, if they come together as a unit and McCollum settles in at QB this could very well be Steele's best offense yet as far as explosiveness and scoring points. We will see in 12 days how they look when they face #2 Madison at Heroes Stadium. We also picked up one Heck of a transfer in the offseason. He is about 6'3" 280 JR and I've heard he's a BEAST!
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Post by clemens2016 on Aug 19, 2012 22:32:53 GMT -6
I'm just expressing my opinion and that shared by quite a few people that this may very well be the most dangerous group Steele has fielded since MB, but after that some believe that the team will not enjoy the current level of success. Maybe maybe not, you have to remember that last year JFD went 4-3-1 on 8th grade even though the 7th went 8-0. That's definitely one year in the making that might be less stellar than the following season when the once 7th grade team mixes in with the used to be 8th graders on Varsity. Every team has it's reign at the top, stumble then recover. I just think that in about two years it might be rough at Steele for a season, still a winning season, just harder to make a deep run in the district.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 20, 2012 4:04:25 GMT -6
I'm just expressing my opinion and that shared by quite a few people that this may very well be the most dangerous group Steele has fielded since MB, but after that some believe that the team will not enjoy the current level of success. Maybe maybe not, you have to remember that last year JFD went 4-3-1 on 8th grade even though the 7th went 8-0. That's definitely one year in the making that might be less stellar than the following season when the once 7th grade team mixes in with the used to be 8th graders on Varsity. Every team has it's reign at the top, stumble then recover. I just think that in about two years it might be rough at Steele for a season, still a winning season, just harder to make a deep run in the district. You could very well be correct. It is always interesting to watch how individual classes develop. The 2012 class that just graduated struggled badly from 7 to 9 grade winning a total of like 6 games in those 3 seasons. I know the were 2-8 their freshman year with Tommy at QB. You could see at that time that the potential to be good was there with them but just took time to develop.
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Post by SCBuffaloes16 on Aug 20, 2012 5:59:47 GMT -6
I'm just expressing my opinion and that shared by quite a few people that this may very well be the most dangerous group Steele has fielded since MB, but after that some believe that the team will not enjoy the current level of success. Maybe maybe not, you have to remember that last year JFD went 4-3-1 on 8th grade even though the 7th went 8-0. That's definitely one year in the making that might be less stellar than the following season when the once 7th grade team mixes in with the used to be 8th graders on Varsity. Every team has it's reign at the top, stumble then recover. I just think that in about two years it might be rough at Steele for a season, still a winning season, just harder to make a deep run in the district. You could very well be correct. It is always interesting to watch how individual classes develop. The 2012 class that just graduated struggled badly from 7 to 9 grade winning a total of like 6 games in those 3 seasons. I know the were 2-8 their freshman year with Tommy at QB. You could see at that time that the potential to be good was there with them but just took time to develop. Same here, I like seeing individual classes develop. And the 8th grade at Dobie's problem was being overconfident because most thought they could be better than their 7-0-1 district championship the year before and didn't. That's what killed them, but they'll get better. I just hope the 8th grade this year doesn't end up like us and stay focused throughout the year. And I think when MB and co. were freshmen they weren't that good either from what I hear. It just shows how long high school can be when it comes to trying to get better.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 20, 2012 6:37:07 GMT -6
You could very well be correct. It is always interesting to watch how individual classes develop. The 2012 class that just graduated struggled badly from 7 to 9 grade winning a total of like 6 games in those 3 seasons. I know the were 2-8 their freshman year with Tommy at QB. You could see at that time that the potential to be good was there with them but just took time to develop. Same here, I like seeing individual classes develop. And the 8th grade at Dobie's problem was being overconfident because most thought they could be better than their 7-0-1 district championship the year before and didn't. That's what killed them, but they'll get better. I just hope the 8th grade this year doesn't end up like us and stay focused throughout the year. And I think when MB and co. were freshmen they weren't that good either from what I hear. It just shows how long high school can be when it comes to trying to get better. Yessir. My little brother was 0-8 in 7th, 0-8 in 8th, & 2-8 as a freshman. His Sr year they went 10-3 and to the 4th round where they met up with a damn good Calallen Wilcat team that put the hurt on them. And it was not a great Jr class that made them a good team because that class did not do near as well the following year. It is about hard work, discipline, and getting better as a team!
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Post by CC_Varmints on Aug 21, 2012 15:08:21 GMT -6
The arrogance of the DFW media in their bias against any team outside the DFW area:
"Smith: Skyline, Denton Guyer top in his AP pre-season poll; Lake Travis’ ranking is ‘dubious"
Questions as to where the power in Texas high school football lay are largely answered by the Associated Press’ pre-season high school football poll; it’s North Texas.
The top teams in Class 5A and 4A are both area powers – Southlake Carroll and Denton Guyer. That’s not a shock; in the 2011 poll, Allen and Aledo topped their respective classes.
This year, half of the 5A teams in the Top 10 are from the D/FW: Carroll, No. 3 Skyline, No. 6 Euless Trinity, No. 7 DeSoto and No. 8 Allen. Highland Park and Aledo both make an appearance in the 4A poll.
I don’t really have a problem with the rankings – although I am somewhat dubious about Lake Travis getting placed above established 5A teams like Skyline and Katy. Even with the “Drive for Five” fresh in the minds of voters, I think it’s naïve to expect Lake Travis slide right to the top of 5A without a problem.
That said, most of the power players in the state are guaranteed (or nearly guaranteed) to play Division I in their new districts. In Region II alone (Lake Travis’ new region), Skyline, Allen and The Woodlands all will be in Division I. Lake Travis, as the second smallest school in its district, is a Division II lock. Longview – the 2008 and 2009 4A Div. I runners-up to Lake Travis – will likely be the biggest hurdle in regional play.
Here’s my poll: Class 5A 1. Skyline 2. Southlake Carroll 3. Katy 4. Euless Trinity 5. DeSoto 6. Lake Travis 7. Longview 8. Cibolo Steele 9. Arlington Martin 10. Allen
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 21, 2012 15:13:55 GMT -6
The arrogance of the DFW media in their bias against any team outside the DFW area: "Smith: Skyline, Denton Guyer top in his AP pre-season poll; Lake Travis’ ranking is ‘dubious"Questions as to where the power in Texas high school football lay are largely answered by the Associated Press’ pre-season high school football poll; it’s North Texas. The top teams in Class 5A and 4A are both area powers – Southlake Carroll and Denton Guyer. That’s not a shock; in the 2011 poll, Allen and Aledo topped their respective classes. This year, half of the 5A teams in the Top 10 are from the D/FW: Carroll, No. 3 Skyline, No. 6 Euless Trinity, No. 7 DeSoto and No. 8 Allen. Highland Park and Aledo both make an appearance in the 4A poll. I don’t really have a problem with the rankings – although I am somewhat dubious about Lake Travis getting placed above established 5A teams like Skyline and Katy. Even with the “Drive for Five” fresh in the minds of voters, I think it’s naïve to expect Lake Travis slide right to the top of 5A without a problem. That said, most of the power players in the state are guaranteed (or nearly guaranteed) to play Division I in their new districts. In Region II alone (Lake Travis’ new region), Skyline, Allen and The Woodlands all will be in Division I. Lake Travis, as the second smallest school in its district, is a Division II lock. Longview – the 2008 and 2009 4A Div. I runners-up to Lake Travis – will likely be the biggest hurdle in regional play. Here’s my poll: Class 5A 1. Skyline 2. Southlake Carroll 3. Katy 4. Euless Trinity 5. DeSoto 6. Lake Travis7. Longview 8. Cibolo Steele 9. Arlington Martin 10. Allen It will never change up there! I hate to tell this dude but LT would handle the utra-talented skyline team IMO! Way too disciplined for Skyline to 'out athlete' them! To have LT anything less then #3 is just flat out stupid IMO as well. But then again, there's just no way a team can move up to 5a and dominate, right!? They may just want to check and see how many titles SLC won in 4a and then what they did their first 4 years in 5a ball. Oh yeah, and a little school in S TX Podunk town of Cibolo also has done OK their first 2 years in 5a after not winning a title in 4a I think!
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